Shannon's Journal Discussion

[JackOfHearts]

"Freak out", "creeped out", it's based on fear as I just said.

You can be freaked out by something without being scared of it. Like I said before, obese women with moustaches create no fear in me whatsoever, but the thought of sleeping with one would freak me out.

Maybe I should say it another way. Do you agree or not that in western society there are lot of fear from homosexual? What they call homophobia, it's a real thing, if you are not aware of it then I can't do anything else and there is not point to discuss it further.

[terry44]

Shannon also has to think about his future customers and the ones that don't write much or at all in the forum. Sooo, if let's say 11 out of 9 say they like being checked out and fantasized by men, that really doesn't say much.

And I would like to add that making women extremely wet and this stuff is just perverted and no healthy man would want that. We still want to live our normal lifes and have normal interactions. Not everyone is desperate.

I find how Shannon described it is how it should be "become as sexy and attractive as you can be". Of course without things going out if control which will just backfire.

Unconditional love, gratitude, deservedness and any other positive and healthy additions are always good.

You are derailing the subject or you doesn't understand. No one say they liked being checked out and it's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is to make the sub less bloated and remove a limitation. The goal of the sub to begin with is not to remove unwanted attention from males, it's about being sexy/attractive. If I go even further Shannon could create a sub specifically to remove unwanted attention from males but I don't think he has the time and most people would be able to deal with it without any sub because it is a trivial thing to being with.

Edit:
A question someone could ask himself is the following: if Shannon would create a sub specifically to remove unwanted attention from men would you use it, would you waste your time with that when you could use another sub?

For me an attraction sub would ideally have no effect on men one way of the other. I'm not asking for a gay repelling sub. I Just don't want men to be showing interest as a result of the sub.

[SouthPaw]

Alpha360 we are talking about a 5.5G here. I don't think a "limitation"would bloat anything.

And yeah, when I was reading previous post I got the feeling that some liked "being checked out and fantasized by men"

[JackOfHearts]

"Freak out", "creeped out", it's based on fear as I just said.

You can be freaked out by something without being scared of it. Like I said before, obese women with moustaches create no fear in me whatsoever, but the thought of sleeping with one would freak me out.

Also the thought that you have about being freak out have no purpose, it's limitation in your mind. Whether it's gay males, or women with moustaches, or snakes or anything, if you are freak out by this thoughts it means you think about it, and it's likely a fear or something really close to that. An healthy individual doesn't think about those things, it's useless, let's say you really sleep with a moustaches girl, what would it do to you, would you die? would you get aids? It's all in your mind anyway.
I can give you another example my brother has some fear about sharks, every time he sees a shark on TV he freak out and lose his rationality, then he goes watching video about shark on internet, wasting his time basically. Well I call that a fear, it's irrational and serve no purpose, the shark is not even there to begin with, he saw it on TV but still he behaves irrationally even when he is at home.

[Nox]

Lol you guys are too much. This isn't a fuck button. "Play sub, no work needed, girls blow you on street." Same thing with if guys are attracted to you. You really you think gay men are going to be groping you in public? sounds like you're expecting, once again, to have this sub make your decisions and decide your lives. Dudes being attracted to you wont flip the "gay switch" that lights up a pink neon sign blinking "heeeeey boys!"

Sexually irresistible is still resistable folks. There are women I know who are sexually irresistible that I will not give the time of day to. And I hate to say this, but if you're a good looking guy and got your bases covered there's already guys attracted to you. Maybe a LOT. You're probably masturbation material even. Think about that, there's a man out there in love with you that you've never even noticed, and he's probably just very friendly and nice when you interact with him. Same with girls.

And it is fear based, because it's uncomfortable and so you don't want to deal with it. Even if this sub does say women only, dudes are still going to be more attracted to you. You think subs are on your end only? You think their desires and subconscious also aren't framing their reality. Just deal with it. Homosexual men are turned on by you. They already have been. And they're not going to stop. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA lol

[JackOfHearts]

Shannon also has to think about his future customers and the ones that don't write much or at all in the forum. Sooo, if let's say 11 out of 9 say they like being checked out and fantasized by men, that really doesn't say much.

And I would like to add that making women extremely wet and this stuff is just perverted and no healthy man would want that. We still want to live our normal lifes and have normal interactions. Not everyone is desperate.

I find how Shannon described it is how it should be "become as sexy and attractive as you can be". Of course without things going out if control which will just backfire.

Unconditional love, gratitude, deservedness and any other positive and healthy additions are always good.

You are derailing the subject or you doesn't understand. No one say they liked being checked out and it's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is to make the sub less bloated and remove a limitation. The goal of the sub to begin with is not to remove unwanted attention from males, it's about being sexy/attractive. If I go even further Shannon could create a sub specifically to remove unwanted attention from males but I don't think he has the time and most people would be able to deal with it without any sub because it is a trivial thing to being with.

Edit:
A question someone could ask himself is the following: if Shannon would create a sub specifically to remove unwanted attention from men would you use it, would you waste your time with that when you could use another sub?

For me an attraction sub would ideally have no effect on men one way of the other. I'm not asking for a gay repelling sub. I Just don't want men to be showing interest as a result of the sub.

Don't use the sub then, I used SM3 and it has the limitation and I still attracted Gay guys.
To me if you are attractive you will naturally attract the attention of people, both sex. Dzeemo used SM3 and a gay guy try to kiss him.
Even with the limitation it still seems to attract gay guys maybe less but still. I say lets get rid of it.

[terry44]

"Freak out", "creeped out", it's based on fear as I just said.

You can be freaked out by something without being scared of it. Like I said before, obese women with moustaches create no fear in me whatsoever, but the thought of sleeping with one would freak me out.

Also the thought that you have about being freak out have no purpose, it's limitation in your mind. Whether it's gay males, or women with moustaches, or snakes or anything, if you are freak out by this thoughts it means you think about it, and it's likely a fear or something really close to that. An healthy individual doesn't think about those things, it's useless, let's say you really sleep with a moustaches girl, what would it do to you, would you die? would you get aids? It's all in your mind anyway.
I can give you another example my brother has some fear about sharks, every time he sees a shark on TV he freak out and lose his rationality, then he goes watching video about shark on internet, wasting his time basically. Well I call that a fear, it's irrational and serve no purpose, the shark is not even there to begin with, he saw it on TV but still he behaves irrationally even when he is at home.

Even if I agreed with you that freaking out is always fear, it's obvious that fear isn't always without purpose. If we were totally without fear we would be in a lot of trouble. It's there for a good reason if it stops us doing something that isn't good for us or dangerous. It's inappropriate fear that's the problem. I don't fear interest from gay men, but the thought of gay sex still freaks me out. No amount of brainwashing, hypnosis or subliminal training could make me like it. And sleeping with an obese woman with a moustache would be extremely unpleasant, and that is nothing to do with fear. You can't just say there every time someone finds something unpleasant it's because of fear. I really hate blancmange, I mean it turns my stomach, but I can assure you it's not because I'm scared of it.

[terry44]

Lol you guys are too much. This isn't a **** button. "Play sub, no work needed, girls blow you on street." Same thing with if guys are attracted to you. You really you think gay men are going to be groping you in public? sounds like you're expecting, once again, to have this sub make your decisions and decide your lives. Dudes being attracted to you wont flip the "gay switch" that lights up a pink neon sign blinking "heeeeey boys!"

Sexually irresistible is still resistable folks. There are women I know who are sexually irresistible that I will not give the time of day to. And I hate to say this, but if you're a good looking guy and got your bases covered there's already guys attracted to you. Maybe a LOT. You're probably masturbation material even. Think about that, there's a man out there in love with you that you've never even noticed, and he's probably just very friendly and nice when you interact with him. Same with girls.

And it is fear based, because it's uncomfortable and so you don't want to deal with it. Even if this sub does say women only, dudes are still going to be more attracted to you. You think subs are on your end only? You think their desires and subconscious also aren't framing their reality. Just deal with it. Homosexual men are turned on by you. They already have been. And they're not going to stop. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA lol

As I said in another post, I'm not looking for a gay repellent, I would just prefer a sub that concentrated its effects where it's wanted.

[kenpachi]

If the anti-gay scripting has no negative impact whatsoever on your overall attractiveness levels, whatever, I don't care.

If for the anti-gay scripting to work it means we have to be less attractive overall in order to not attract men, is it worth it?

You can attract more women and tell gay men you're not interested, or attract less women so that gay men don't get interested. Which one's preferable?

[terry44]

If the anti-gay scripting has no negative impact whatsoever on your overall attractiveness levels, whatever, I don't care.

If for the anti-gay scripting to work it means we have to be less attractive overall in order to not attract men, is it worth it?

You can attract more women and tell gay men you're not interested, or attract less women so that gay men don't get interested. Which one's preferable?

It would be ideal if the scripting was focussed on straight women and not doing anything at all to gay men.

[kenpachi]

If the anti-gay scripting has no negative impact whatsoever on your overall attractiveness levels, whatever, I don't care.

If for the anti-gay scripting to work it means we have to be less attractive overall in order to not attract men, is it worth it?

You can attract more women and tell gay men you're not interested, or attract less women so that gay men don't get interested. Which one's preferable?

It would be ideal if the scripting was focussed on straight women and not doing anything at all to gay men.

Agreed Terry, but I think a sexy person is a sexy person and will attract both genders.

If your brain is telling you to not be sexy to men and sexy to women, it creates a conflict. It's like telling your brain to be taller and not grow in height at the same time. Maybe Shannon could chime in and say whether he thinks repelling one gender is possible without repelling the other?

[Nox]

Lol you guys are too much. This isn't a **** button. "Play sub, no work needed, girls blow you on street." Same thing with if guys are attracted to you. You really you think gay men are going to be groping you in public? sounds like you're expecting, once again, to have this sub make your decisions and decide your lives. Dudes being attracted to you wont flip the "gay switch" that lights up a pink neon sign blinking "heeeeey boys!"

Sexually irresistible is still resistable folks. There are women I know who are sexually irresistible that I will not give the time of day to. And I hate to say this, but if you're a good looking guy and got your bases covered there's already guys attracted to you. Maybe a LOT. You're probably masturbation material even. Think about that, there's a man out there in love with you that you've never even noticed, and he's probably just very friendly and nice when you interact with him. Same with girls.

And it is fear based, because it's uncomfortable and so you don't want to deal with it. Even if this sub does say women only, dudes are still going to be more attracted to you. You think subs are on your end only? You think their desires and subconscious also aren't framing their reality. Just deal with it. Homosexual men are turned on by you. They already have been. And they're not going to stop. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA lol

As I said in another post, I'm not looking for a gay repellent, I would just prefer a sub that concentrated its effects where it's wanted.

Sexy is sexy dude. Think if it as cross training. If your endurance is at a point where you're able to go all out for three rounds in the ring, you're probably going to have decent ability to do other cardio based activities. Its just normal bleed over. You're want the best of sexiness that sexiness is going to spread out to men even if it is primarily focused on women. Even if it is a gay repellant they're going to still like you. Price of attraction.

[JackOfHearts]

freak out defintion from various source:
Slang.
-a person who has withdrawn from normal, rational behavior and activities to pursue one interest or obsession:
freak out, Slang.
-to enter into or cause a period of irrational behavior or emotional instability, as under the influence of a drug:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/freak--out

1. to shock or disorient someone
2. to panic, to lose control

Freak Out
To achieve a state in which emotions like stress and worry are amplified. Commonly associated with OCD, deadlines, and middle aged women. Sometimes 'Freak'.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...reak%20out

freak out
vb (adverb)
informal to be or cause to be in a heightened emotional state, such as that of fear, anger, or excitement
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/freak+out

Terry44, if you think fear is useful for human then don't use
every sub that contain ogsf. This was already discussed a lot of time before and well explain by Shannon.
here :
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5838-p...l#pid89452

[terry44]

freak out defintion from various source:
Slang.
-a person who has withdrawn from normal, rational behavior and activities to pursue one interest or obsession:
freak out, Slang.
-to enter into or cause a period of irrational behavior or emotional instability, as under the influence of a drug:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/freak--out

1. to shock or disorient someone
2. to panic, to lose control

Freak Out
To achieve a state in which emotions like stress and worry are amplified. Commonly associated with OCD, deadlines, and middle aged women. Sometimes 'Freak'.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...reak%20out

freak out
vb (adverb)
informal to be or cause to be in a heightened emotional state, such as that of fear, anger, or excitement
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/freak+out

Terry44, if you think fear is useful for human then don't use
every sub that contain ogsf. This was already discussed a lot of time before and well explain by Shannon.
here :
http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-5838-p...l#pid89452

I said there was appropriate and inappropriate fear. If you destroyed ALL fear, you would live a dangerous life. And as those definitions show, being freaked out can be feeling uncomfortable and disorientated without necessarily being scared.