Shannon's Journal Discussion

[AbundanceCH]

QUESTION FOR SHANNON/SUGGESTION

Why not include maximum sleep quality in all subs going forward? I am tired after waking up from BASE every morning even with the maximum sleep quality module in it. I have read about people waking up tired to DMSI and pretty much to most subs. Shouldn't all the subs include something about sleep quality to help us out?

Would it be a really difficult thing to include the whole script of maximum sleep quality or just parts of it (or just whatever you can) to help us out a little in terms of getting better sleep in all your subs going forward? It would make a big difference in the quality of our lives specially in the future with 5.5g and 6g which seem to tax people's brains even more than 5g from what i'm reading.

Too late to do this in 5g but hopefully 5.5g and beyond could have this.

My point is not that you should be sexless, my point is that I think the AM program is going in the right direction and that it's either not in the direction you want or you haven't been patient enough. I'm also suggesting that when you feel like you've had enough sex (which for me happened as a result of AM) you might agree.

I had sex over 100 times this year. This was finally the year that my sex addiction stopped. I don't know if to attribute it to BASE or simply because I just had enough of it to the point that for the first time in my life I didn't want to have sex when opportunities were there.

Osho says to satisfy your thirst rather than try to suppress it. So I do agree that the guys in this forum should keep trying to get women in order to satisfy that thirst and be able to move on and not think of women 24/7.

But there is a manner on how to do it. I became successful because I sacrificed 2 years of my life where every week multiple times a week I was taking dance lessons (that's the domain that got me women).

I raised my value as a man in order to be worthy of having women, having lots of sex with them, and women making it easier for me to get them. The guys in this forum want a subliminal to do it for them without putting in the work to become valuable as a man first.

I would consider listening to healing subs as putting in some of that work in becoming valuable as a man rather than DMSI until you are fully healed and are good enough on your own to get women.

Of course subs help us cheat in life and help us grow much faster than it would take without them, but wouldn't people be happier becoming a quality man first that gets women on his own and then doing DMSI?

I can't help but feel that so many men in this forum are cheating themselves out because they are making women worth more than their own development as men. But then again like Osho says gotta satisfy your thirst....

[CatMan]

There was no sarcasm there, you seemed to imply you were an ascendant alpha and that it was a better path from personal experience, so I took that as such.

If you are no longer driven to sex, because you say you're well fed in that department, that's great for you, I'm happy. For those of us who aren't, we have a natural want for it. We agree on at least the fact that it's natural, I'm glad. I just didn't like his implication that by wanting results with women and sex we are somehow "slaves to our dicks" or we are putting women above us, simply by wanting sex, something normal and natural. And that the better path is not going after women at all, being seen as quasi-asexual, but women don't seem to understand or value that in reality somehow. My point about not living in a vacuum and needing to have results in society in reality still stands. We're doing these subs to progress in society, not to live in the mountains somewhere alone forever. So regardless of the propaganda about this, we will depend on some other external effect/validation/reaction to our development FROM others because we live and interact with a society and don't live in the mountains alone. Guys can say they're all alpha and above women, but unless they aren't heterosexual, they're lying to themselves, of course they care about women. I just think there needs to be a hard look at AM's intended idealistic focus and it's results in society, thinking about whether the new changes to the 6G version will allow this path of alpha to really succeed or not, before it is remade, that's it. And that will naturally happen, so it's cool.

My main issue was the "slaves to our dicks" thing, which I dealt with, already.

[apollolux]

This forum is so far the first place I've ever read or heard the definition of an "alpha male" be something other than that most commonly applied to non-human animals, i.e. the leader of the pack (usually through force, though it's entirely possible leadership could be obtained through other means) and as a result with first (best?) pick of pretty much everything shared by the group. There's nothing in that about "self-actualization" or "self-fulfillment" or other psychology, it's literally "be better than the other guy(s) and the world is your oyster." Where does the psychology of this supposed "modern" or "ascendant" alpha male come from?

[JackOfHearts]

@CatMan I think your image of Ascendant alpha is different than what I have and what ffaux have.

The main difference I see is that to you it seems we have to become sexless, or a monk or something which completely remove women in our life.
That's not the case to me. The priority is me, my goal, my life and then women if I feel I want one for my pleasure, or many, or a lot depending how this will satisfy me.
The most important thing to me in the ascendant alpha theme is that you are first, you take care of yourself, you have abundance inside yourself, you don't rely on anyone else to live, you are self sustaining yourself. A bit like inventing infinite electricity power, you don't need to plug you home to the power plants anymore (women). But if you are in town and you want to use some electricity in town you can take it (women) but you don't need it in order to live, that's an option, not a requirement. All the others stuff are bonus you add on top depending on your real desires which are probably different than what you think you desire.

I think the main difficulty for you is to imagine someone being genuine/transcendent alpha and having a lot of women in his life at the same time. It seems you can't imagine this 2 idea being together.

This is what seems to appear when I read your posts.

[JackOfHearts]

Oh Shannon, why'd you have to post that? Now I have to disagree with you...

I was wondering this myself. More specifically: if a traditional alpha is more recignized, why are we wasting time become "ascendants"?

Why does a man become an alpha in the first place?

If it is for the recognition of his fellow man, then he is not truly an alpha, because he needs the approval of others to believe he is "good enough".

If it is for pussy, then he is not truly alpha, because he is a slave to his dick, her whim or both.

But, if he is a master of himself first and foremost, and for himself, then he is truly alpha.

So,if said alpha decides, for himself, that he values pussy (or money, or whatever) above all else and he will make it his life's pursuit, then how is chasing after pussy not alpha?

I think it's impossible that an Alpha can values pussy above all else. Because Intrinsically an Alpha will put himself first, not the women.

In his mind he will always have something like this, at least it's how I see:

1-Me
2-Women or wealth or knowledge, etc
3-etc.

So you can value women above all else except yourself.

This is how I see it, my opinion, don't take it personally, you are free to not agree with me.

[SargeMaximus]

Oh Shannon, why'd you have to post that? Now I have to disagree with you...

I was wondering this myself. More specifically: if a traditional alpha is more recignized, why are we wasting time become "ascendants"?

Why does a man become an alpha in the first place?

If it is for the recognition of his fellow man, then he is not truly an alpha, because he needs the approval of others to believe he is "good enough".

If it is for pussy, then he is not truly alpha, because he is a slave to his dick, her whim or both.

But, if he is a master of himself first and foremost, and for himself, then he is truly alpha.

So,if said alpha decides, for himself, that he values pussy (or money, or whatever) above all else and he will make it his life's pursuit, then how is chasing after pussy not alpha?

I think it's impossible that an Alpha can values pussy above all else. Because Intrinsically an Alpha will put himself first, not the women.

In his mind he will always have something like this, at least it's how I see:

1-Me
2-Women or wealth or knowledge, etc
3-etc.

So you can value women above all else except yourself.

This is how I see it, my opinion, don't take it personally, you are free to not agree with me.

Well obviously I value myself first, and that includes getting my desires for pussy met.

I agree with you.

[Frosted]

This forum is so far the first place I've ever read or heard the definition of an "alpha male" be something other than that most commonly applied to non-human animals, i.e. the leader of the pack (usually through force, though it's entirely possible leadership could be obtained through other means) and as a result with first (best?) pick of pretty much everything shared by the group. There's nothing in that about "self-actualization" or "self-fulfillment" or other psychology, it's literally "be better than the other guy(s) and the world is your oyster." Where does the psychology of this supposed "modern" or "ascendant" alpha male come from?

I'm pretty sure you've heard of the term "sigma male" before. It's similar to that.

[rayrocanaldo]

I think we shouldn't focus on healing, emotional freedom, ascendant alpha, inner development when our lives are not brimming & overflowing with the externals like women, sex, wealth, knowledge, adventure, etc....Once you got those externals down then we can focus on the inner development. But I know what some of you are going to say : " It's only when you develop the inner that you get the outer. You gotta develop the inner first. " I disagree. It's like the pyramid of maslow. Self-actualization or self-realization IS LAST ! It's not first. Other things like sex comes way before self-actualization. But I think some of us go into programs like alpha male with the hidden expectation & hope that it will solve our problems with women. Basically, I want the externals brimming full in our lives then once that is taken care of I want the inner development. You are free to disagree

[JackOfHearts]

I would say my development were a mix of the 2. At first it was purely for sex and fun. Then I realized I could get more power if I was independent. So the choice was inevitable.

A lot of what you say could be true. A similar theory exist about spiritual liberation, which says it's only when you have satisfied all your humane desires that you can achieve liberation.

I'm not sure it apply there though. I exhausted my brain power

[Shannon]

I am far too sick right now to be able to answer the posts I am reading. But it seems to me that you guys are seriously not getting it when I say ascendant alpha. And if you think you want to be a traditional alpha instead, go do it. Don't let me stop you.

Or you can go re-read the longer explanation I wrote about what an ascendant alpha male is, and try to understand it.

And FYI, gentlemen, I have more sex available than I can take advantage of. I just don't care to discuss it in public. And Sarge, you claim they don't exist, because you're not the ascendant alpha they would respond to yet.

[Shannon]

By the way, while I was cleaning - out of boredom - I found the original formula for Panty Scorcher. Who was it who was interested in making that deal?

[RTBoss]

By the way, while I was cleaning - out of boredom - I found the original formula for Panty Scorcher. Who was it who was interested in making that deal?

That would be Ekscentra. I'll let him know you found it.

[SargeMaximus]

And Sarge, you claim they don't exist, because you're not the ascendant alpha they would respond to yet.

I'll take your word for it Shannon. All I can do is keep going towards my goals, whether I'm ascendent or not. leepy:

[Ekscentra]

By the way, while I was cleaning - out of boredom - I found the original formula for Panty Scorcher. Who was it who was interested in making that deal?

That would be Ekscentra. I'll let him know you found it.

I just received the PM from RTBoss. It's been some time since I've appeared on this forum.

Recently, I've been working on refining my A314 reverse-engineering project. I expect to be able to start rolling out testers in approximately two months. As to Pantyscorcher, my interest hasn't waned in the least. Shannon, if there are any terms you might propose, I'm open to suggestions. My email is [email protected].