Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[MasterEnki]

Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

The guys who blame it sounds like guys who blame stuff.

On the other hand the guys who want it sound like they are too fearful.

Some of the fear is petty and ridiculous. Some of it is legit.

For example, scared of gay dreams is just petty / pathetic.

Scared of getting BJs / handy-Js from your sister is hilarious.


On the other hand fears around STDs, false rape charges and unwanted pregnancy are legit fears (these things can heavily damage / lower quality of life).

[MasterEnki]

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

I used to be a proponent of the anti-sniper, because I could see it work on ver. 3.1, but now I'm no longer - and it's not due to the fact that it would decrease the program's efficiency (it didn't).

I simply believe it to be unnecessary, given all the other safeties in place.

Also, when a person would have been affected by the AS heavily enough - and it's not turned on - they're only going to get the baseline anyway - and in case of any unwanted attention, I can deal with that on my own well enough (and so does anybody else, for that matter), I think.

Pretty much this. It makes life more exciting and "forces" you to be responsible yourself. Like now im feeling everyone being attracted to me. Also, the gf of a friend of mine is showing increasing IOIs, starstruck trance moments. I just dont do anything with her, because idgaf if something happens or not.

It might be also one of the reasons I feel DMSI 3.2 is stronger.

Getting STDs and rape charges doesn't make life exciting.Dealing with insane women doesn't make life better.Anti sniper is for extreme cases.

^^This. I have been for a while with a girl on chat who said she separated from her bf. But two days ago she sounded like there have been somehow together (again?). And somehow she said he has been very jealous and stuff and wanted my contact details and she gave him. Well, I didn't hear from that guy (maybe USLM saved me, lol) and I don't know what will happen but THAT is some of the situations I would like an anti-sniper for. Only for extreme cases, not this unhappiness stuff which was well meant but too vague and would probably lead to everyone inexperienced to some degrading results.

Ideally, one would get the goals of the program, with none of the more extreme drama.

I dread thinking about these kind of possibilities.

I honestly cannot tell which women are toxic and which aren’t, until I get to know them, and by then it could be too late to avoid drama.

I already got a false accusation against me from a woman I knew for about 4 years, and she seemed perfectly nice, friendly and goodwilled over those 4 years. It was a very hurtful shock to be called into a meeting with my manager (and manager’s manager) with nasty accusations against me.

This woman had no obvious red flags. Nothing about her said ‘crazy’.

[MasterEnki]

I see the AS as preemptive. Imagine there's a girl who's manipulative, wants to string you along or just generally give you a hard time. Would you really rather go through all that then realize she sucks vs just not even having to deal with it? I get it, if you're alpha you can deal with it, but why would you? Unless you're willing to go through all that crap just to have sex. What if the end result was always a crappy time regardless of what you did?

But I generally agree with leaving it out until everyone is executing fully. We've seen the creative liberties the subconscious has made in the past. But I think as a concept the AS is good. Some people are really good at hiding their intentions no matter how perceptive you think you are and it only becomes apparent once you're sucked into their crap.

Avoiding toxic people is vastly superior to dealing with them.

Dealing with toxic people is a waste of time / resources.

Imagine if you only had supportive people who were straightforward, trustworthy and honest in your life, and these people included honest women who considered you sexy and attractive, and were the kind of women who were open about their sexual attraction, and naturally acted on their attraction by having sex with you, with none of the BS / drama / mindgames / shittests that manipulative women throw at guys.

Everyone will likely run into toxic / manipulative women every now and then, but it would be great to be able to ‘weed them out’ / remove them from you life as early as possible. That way you can focus on the straightforward / trustworthy / honest women.

[Benjamin]

Just curious: is there a script in DMSI that prevent for exemple a friends girlfriend to make a move (If in find her attractive that will say)? That would otherwise be a great way to avoid awkward situations...

No. Not even the anti-sniper will currently do that. Although I could set up the AS to do that. But first, do we really want the anti-sniper or not? Those who don't want it are convinced it is responsible for reducing the program effectiveness. The rest are convinced it saves them from all sorts of nasty situations.

I used to be a proponent of the anti-sniper, because I could see it work on ver. 3.1, but now I'm no longer - and it's not due to the fact that it would decrease the program's efficiency (it didn't).

I simply believe it to be unnecessary, given all the other safeties in place.

Also, when a person would have been affected by the AS heavily enough - and it's not turned on - they're only going to get the baseline anyway - and in case of any unwanted attention, I can deal with that on my own well enough (and so does anybody else, for that matter), I think.

Yes because the minority of people who didn't want it in there obviously haven't been in the situation in the past where something like that would be warranted due to crazies.

[Benjamin]

It should probably be a focus to get DMSI to work so we actually CAN have all these phantom negative scenarios (ie. like the controversy over the fear of female relatives trying to bang you, lmao classic!) FIRST. Rather than trying to shut down and limit the program, before it even does these things in reality. I too have suspected the AS has been warped in my case to limit the program's effectiveness by labeling women as "pain" etc. It's a possibility for resistance many may have suffered.

With all the problems we've had getting the program to work as it is, cutting down on the ways it can be derailed, will be a good thing.

It'll be a high quality problem if the program can ever work well enough for the crushing majority to do all of that, regardless. I admit I'm not sure that will happen, but we'll see.

It's possible the anti sniper is easier to blame compared to fears and other things that actually block execution.

Spot on. I didn't think of that.

Because you know there is some people who have got laid on DMSI. In the bloom of 3.1 I did twice in a few days. And dated the most attractive girl I had in a while. Others weren't that high quality so there was some things I was still working through, but the antisniper didn't stop all interest as people are suggesting.

[K-Train]

Shout out to Catman, Sarge, Have at ye, Darth, and everyone else who's said this but here goes my take.

I have no problem with DMSI-Final having an anti-sniper in it. That's because DMSI-Final will be the version of DMSI where everything has been fine-tuned and corrected hence why it's going out to the general public.

I DO NOT believe it prudent to inject limiters into a program that has not yet proven that it can:
a) work to achieve design goal for the majority of users
b) achieve design goal in a "reasonable" time frame. (Reasonable being less than a month of use)
c) achieve design goal on a consistent basis for the majority of users

The only anti-sniper that I'm ok with being in DMSI before DMSI-final is an anti-STD sniper (for obvious reasons). All other stuff like relatives, bosses, boss's GF's, bestfriend's GFs, "crazy" chicks, etc. should be put on hold until DMSI has proven it necessary and has proven it can accomplish the things I listed in the above paragraph.

Dealing with "drama" when it comes to women is almost always inevitable and something you'll have to deal with accordingly especially if you're talking about dealing with multiple women which is what I assume most guys. Is it something that would be cool NOT to have to deal with and have supportive women around you akin to what @mat422 said? Absolutely. No doubt...after DMSI has proven it can accomplish it's goals first.

I don't disagree with anything @Benjamin , @Roy , or @mat422 have said in regards to their support for an anti-sniper. My only issue is with the time frame in which the AS is being added.

[SargeMaximus]

Dealing with "drama" when it comes to women is almost always inevitable and something you'll have to deal with accordingly especially if you're talking about dealing with multiple women which is what I assume most guys. Is it something that would be cool NOT to have to deal with and have supportive women around you akin to what @mat422 said? Absolutely. No doubt...after DMSI has proven it can accomplish it's goals first.

/\ This.

I know for a fact my subconscious (and my conscious, if I'm honest) uses that as a good reason to not execute. Who has time for women and their shit let's be honest. I know I sure don't. But a guy has to get laid, and have children someday (I do actually want children someday). So it comes with the territory.

Also, in terms of what Enki was saying "If only women were like..." he seems to be describing a GUY. GUYS are like that quite often, women are NOT it's just nature.

[lano1106]

I can relate to that. It seems like 1 woman requires already so much attention. I have a hard imagining myself juggling with 3-4 simultaneously. It seems like a full-time job or I have poor time management skills...

[Zane]

If she liked her boyfriend so much, she wouldn't make the move regardless of DMSI or anything else.

Only in Movies.

[Omni3]

I rather have the power spent on trying to get these other men not to get in physical fights with me and persuade them to become co-operative instead.

Agreed - Can we extend this to actively 'cuckold' the partner (CTP)?

[Nox]

I'd prefer anti sniper sooner rather than later.

It's all the same opinions on both sides as the last time this discussion broke out, so I wont get into mine.

[AbundanceCH]

I can relate to that. It seems like 1 woman requires already so much attention. I have a hard imagining myself juggling with 3-4 simultaneously. It seems like a full-time job or I have poor time management skills...

Actually no.

I been dating multiple women for about 3 years now. It's actually rather simple.

fk them 3-4 times and then let them go. Women now a days are not like in the old days. They don't get attached as easily probably due to their high body count. In the old days you had sex with a woman and she was attached. Now it takes much longer for it but it doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful.

Just get sex from them a few times and to avoid any drama just let them go before they get attached/ask you "what are we" or insinuate they want a relationship. This is the only way to avoid drama.

Just keep doing this until you actually find a quality woman you like to have for a relationship with.

*pro tip* make THEM let you go if you know what I mean. Start acting aloof, distant, let them dump you. I had more girls break up with me than I can count. This way you avoid breaking people's hearts.

[CatMan]

I recall Shannon actually saying it's possible the AS was possibly being warped, in my case and others, in order to resist the program. Hence why *I* said it. It wasn't something I ever thought of until then, Roy.

I've also been in situations with psycho women...like the one that ruined my rep for 7-8 years and got my arm broken. I'm also able to see those are extreme cases and can more readily see signs to steer clear now. And don't want to run the risk of giving yet another avenue of escape before this thing actually works for the majority. Make it actually work, THEN dial it back. Seems obvious.

I agree with Nox on this. Same issue and talking points again...bit of a shame as that just shows the program hasn't gone further in actual results since...maybe the next one will though. We'll see.

[Roy]

I recall Shannon actually saying it's possible the AS was possibly being warped, in my case and others, in order to resist the program. Hence why *I* said it. It wasn't something I ever thought of until then, Roy.

I've also been in situations with psycho women...like the one that ruined my rep for 7-8 years and got my arm broken. I'm also able to see those are extreme cases and can more readily see signs to steer clear now. And don't want to run the risk of giving yet another avenue of escape before this thing actually works for the majority. Make it actually work, THEN dial it back. Seems obvious.

I agree with Nox on this. Same issue and talking points again...bit of a shame as that just shows the program hasn't gone further in actual results since...maybe the next one will though. We'll see.

If the anti sniper is being warped it's still is the result of other factors that warp it.It's better to deal with the warping factors rather than removing the safeties built into the program.

Considering the amount of damage that can be cause by STD,false allegations or crazy women it's not worth pulling out all the safeties to get more sex.As The technology will improve it will deal with more resistance and fears.In that case it's better from that reason to keep the anti sniper,to see how and why it's being warped.