Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[lano1106]

You can be very successful with women at 5'7...

as long as you have big one down there... ;-)

[Oversoul]

Ive learnt that what you think is what women will think eventually.

You hold frame, they'll come into your frame and see it as reality.

In a way it'll have to be your frame vs the world.

If you go around saying 'girls automatically assume taller people blah blah blah' then your frame is given to society and your at their mercy.

Hold frame, think with your cock, dont be attached to outcome, have fun and walk around and act like you are the highest status mofo in the world.

AND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOW YOUR ANGER OR DISSATISFACTION but not too vocally. Make this happen with your body language only (your eyes, etc)

[SargeMaximus]

Jeez I can't get over how you guys overanalyze so much that there's pages upon pages of comments on just height.

Or am I missing something? (Serious question Ben don’t ban me)

Maybe if you don't do things like attacking a user who posts a positive report on DMSI or creating stupid arguments it won't happen in the future. The first one was the main reason recently.

If I defend myself in this I foresee a ban so I’ll let it slide. As for the main question,I am confused how becoming the man women want isn’t putting women on a pedestal. I’m serious as this is one of those pua contradictions I don’t understand: don’t put women on a pedestal but show them you’re the best man for them. Seems like pedestalizing to me but I must be missing something.

[Fluffy]

@Shannon

Based on all the subs you have built and all the scripts you have written up to this point. If I felt I lacked confidence in getting a new job because of lack of experience and because it has been along time since I had a job, what sub would you recommend, seeing as this is a top priority for me and if it was not for my father giving me money, shelter, food and previous jobs years ago, I would be fooked, so I want to stand on my own two feet but I feel I lack confidence in making it happen, because of the obvious perks of not needing to for a few years but I now want to because I no longer want to take money from my father as it eats me up inside for a long time, especially as he is so kind and generous and I am very thankful but I would doing a world of good for myself and my parents if I could earn my own money but getting a job, ASAP.

Any help appreciated, in what you think based on me specifically wanting to get a new job ASAP, but lack the self confidence, is the best sub for me to use.

[Shannon]

3.3 is coming out in between 30 and 60 days, most likely, so keep that in mind.

So this is the time where the people who are using DMSI 3.2 should stop right?

I'll let you know when. It'll be a bit yet.

[Shannon]

If I had a few girlfriends on 3.1, but nothing on 3.2. It makes sense to go back to 3.1, if I want a girlfriend again right?

I think I actually liked and benefitted from the
"training wheels".

You're making a pretty big assumption as to why you don't have girlfriends on 3.2, and it would be my expert opinion that if the lack of "training wheels" is to blame at all, it would be only one reason among two or three.

Going back to 3.1 doesn't make sense to me, but if you think that'll get you more girlfriends, try it and see. 3.3 is coming out in between 30 and 60 days, most likely, so keep that in mind.

Yeah, meet them half way was in 3.1 but not in 3.2 and in 3.1 I was much more motivated in meeting women half way, sometimes quite literally! One weekend I met 1 on Saturday, and two on Sunday, I was super motivated. But not on 3.2, it felt different.

Yeah it's possible it is other reasons, but it makes sense to me based on my experience.

From what I understand, the "meet them halfway" module wasn't supposed at all to motivate you to take action. The meet them halfway was there to limit the affected side from acting without any initiative from you.

Meet them half way was there to motivate you to do your share of the work in making things happen, in response to their initiated actions. As in, if she initiated, you would respond in kind until you meet in the middle.

So if she puts out a 10% interest signal, you would do the same. If she escalates, you would do the same. It was to encourage them to continue before there was any hope that the aura could do it alone.

Now we know that the aura can do it alone, if you execute fully, but we need people to execute more, and we need to adjust the aura in some ways.

We don't need MTHW if the program is working as intended, and you are executing it.

[TugaInVegas]

3.3 is coming out in between 30 and 60 days, most likely, so keep that in mind.

So this is the time where the people who are using DMSI 3.2 should stop right?

I'll let you know when. It'll be a bit yet.

Gotcha
Thanks as always Shannon

[Shannon]

I can´t resist anymore...

I have seen quite many times guys mentioning about how tall/short they are in relation to attraction, where they are 5.7 (this number has popped up on few association, if my memory serves me) and say it´s difficult to attract girls being that "short". Just out of curiosity, in which country/continent do you live? I assume US since you use measure in feet. In many, if not most European countries 5.7 (and half) feet is almost exactly the average height of an adult man, same thing world wide. Quick search on US tells that it is pretty darn close to average as well, and in some parts of it 1 inch shorter. In Asia, that´s tall compared to average...in some places really tall.

I know many women like tall(er) guys, at least taller than themselves. If you are 5.7 you are taller than vast majority of women since on average women are shorter than men. I struggle to understand how the height is such an issue for many guys who are actually average height...or maybe it´s just a limiting belief on your own part? I could understand if you are really short it can be a factor...or TOO tall for that matter! Just wondering...

The majority of women prefer a man that is taller then themselves. Especially in the Balkans where it appears to be an accepted norm.

Place 10 tall women in room and ask a shorter guy to chat them all up. Introduce a tall guy into the room who is taller then any of the women. My bets are that the majority of the women would opt for dating the taller guy. There might be a few women who might opt to date the shorter guy. Lets assume that the tall and short guy are of equal looks and charisma.

The solution is to find a girl who is shorter then you too date.

Place 10 tall women in a room with a shorter guy, and they will respond to him according to their conclusions about him.

The first thing they'll conclude is that he is shorter than them, which will trigger certain automatic reactions (unless he's running [and executing] DMSI). But any man can overcome that by also presenting himself in ways that simultaneously tells her, "It doesn't matter how tall I am, I'm what you're looking for."

Height is one thing women consider, but it isn't at all as important as you guys are trying to make it out to be. It's about attitude, self perception, how you carry yourself, what your attitude, actions, choices and body language are saying.

If you communicate "I know I'm not good enough because I'm too short." then she will believe you.

Likewise, if you communicate, "I may be shorter than you, but who ***** cares? I'm what you're looking for anyway." then she will believe you!

It's like I have said before: people look to you to tell them what to think about you. Whatever you tell them, that's what they'll believe.

Ford is quoted as having said something along the lines of , "The man who believes he can, and the man who believes he can't, are both right."

Exactly.

I am 5'7" tall and it never stopped me from dating women taller than myself. What always stopped me was either the fact that she was already involved, or her personality!

But @Shannon Height does matter to women. Lets take a guy like us who is 5.7 tall.

Most girls our height will only consider a taller man and why because height is sexy because they automatically assume height means strength, even if the guy is skinny. This was due to a recent study:

https://www.spring.org.uk/2018/07/attrac...pe-men.php

Now lets take a look at shorter girls, most girls shorter such as 5.6, 5.5 and 5.4 will still prefer taller men yet they would look at those that are 5.8 and 5.9.

Only when you get down to the 5.3 and below will they consider us at 5.7.

Most 10s and I mean 10s are 5.6 or 5.7 and above.

They reach us at height level and these 10s and I dont mean 10 lightly, but 10s who are perfection will date taller men then us always.

I have yet to see a taller 10 that dates a shorter man that isnt rich or powerful or a celeb.

beyond this, today I finished a 3 day course that I had started on monday. I have written about what Im about to share in my thread/journal if you want to read.

At this 3 day course I have met the HOTTEST girl that I have ever ever ever met in real life in my entire life. I cannot think of any female hotter than her.

She was hot in every possible way, her hair, toes, fingers, fashion, make up, style, face, intelligence, anything you want to say she had it and most of all I wouldnt call her a 10, i would call her a 12!

And guess what her bf, is a fairly skinning/slim looking tall fellow and shes 5.7 as us.

I dont know why she went for him but I hope to save her lol

So I have this question, can DMSI or will DMSI work on girls that have bfs/gfs/partner?

And can we get to a stage where DMSI will work on girls we "consciously notice" ? and want to attract that they desire and crave us like crazy?

I tried and tried to repeat affirmative statements asking her to see me, notice me, want me desire me with the power of DMSI (in my mind) and nothing worked.

Sure I made her laugh, I seem to always make people laugh but nothing worked

So to sum up: "I liked your post above, but I want to keep my self limiting beliefs because they're comfortable and they keep me safe from that scary taller woman vagina. But can I use DMSI to attract a woman I just said I couldn't attract?"

You are welcome to your artificially limiting beliefs, but don't insist that they are facts. I don't have trouble with women because I basically do what Kingpill said. I don't base my sense of self worth and value on my height, or her approval. I base it on my approval and my choices and desires. For me, tall women are "a sexier than average choice", not someone to be defeated by, ignored by, shot down by or afraid of. Once you get past shooting yourself down for her because you're insecure about your height or if you're good enough, you stop artificially limiting yourself with ridiculous beliefs that only apply for those who choose to accept them. And at that point, she's just another option.

Some women are shallow. Some women, no matter what, will judge you based on superficial crap like that and rule you out, or rule you in. If they rule you out because of your height, when you have so much to offer a worthwile woman, is she really worth your while? I think not.

But 9 times out of 10, a woman will only care what your height is compared to hers, if you care as much as or more than she does what your height is compared to hers. Stop artificially limiting yourself with failure based beliefs that limit you and result in failure, and you can have whatever you want. There is unlimited abundance out there!

And unless you start executing DMSI, it won't matter how tall she is. But if you execute it, it won't matter how tall either of you is, except for how sexy you think she is based on her height. Once you're executing her attraction for you will be proportionate to your attraction to her.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Ill try and make this quick buddy!

As you may recall, i have had no effects since I increased 3.2 6-7 loops via phone.

My conclusion: either increasing loops fails me or listening now from a phone fails me.

When I was listening to 1 loop via earphones I had almost immediate effects. eg: no fap for 56 days.

Im on day 19 (when I asked this) of 6-7 loops and had to listen to 1 loop yesterday which I did with earphones.

I woke knowing I had dreams - nothing sexual but had girls in there, 1-2 that I have liked in the past 6months & then all day I had an urge to masturbate and then I did and it was wonderful!

shall I go back to 1 loop a day with earphones my friend?

and if you do go on to make UM/OP focusfire do you think I have a chance of executing that or shall i continue on the DMSI road until we reach a point where I am truly executing finally?

also I noticed I have way more grey hair, is this possible from DMSI?

thank you

Translation: "1 loop was getting small results. I got no visible results at 6-7 loops because I was busy trying everything possible to prevent the program from working. So I went back to one loop, and was able to overpower it and masturbate, which was awesome, because it means I was successfully sabotaging the program, which is what I really want. So can I have your permission to make this all okay?"

No. Go do 8 loops a day and keep increasing by one per day each week until you break through that fear and resistance.

also I noticed I have way more grey hair, is this possible from DMSI?

Several guys reported noticing increased gray hair on 3.1, so I added a module to prevent and reverse that effect. This means one of the following is true:

1. There is no correlation.
2. You had that as a result of attempting to self sabotage on 3.1, but never noticed it.
3. You are somehow reverse resisting the module that is designed to prevent and reverse it as a sabotage effort to make yourself less attractive so you don't need to face having all that scary vagina.

[Shannon]

Physically speaking, I’m below average adult male height at 5.7 ~ 5.8 and ectomorphic body type. Which makes me a few inches below average for 30yo male.

I have had an extremely difficult time attracting the interest of women.

I’m just like some of the other guys here. I’m a great, hardworking, down-to-earth guy who has several hobbies, and I’m naturally loyal, determined and honest, etc. (In theory, I should be a highly desirable dating option).


If you are below average height:
a) With a lot of women, you are screwed (the bad kind of screwed, as in hopeless / doomed) no matter what.
b) There are some women who will date below average height guys, as long as they excel in other areas.


Below average height guys are at a significant disadvantage, and have a more limited dating pool / less options. But still have some options, providing they work hard on themselves.


I’m a virgin, who has only had one woman (37yo woman) who wanted to sleep with me. The only reason I haven’t slept with her is because she lives in a group home, and her carer said that she (the carer) will have me charged for rape if I do anything with the woman (37yo woman).

37yo woman is 5.10, which is about 2 inches taller than me. So she probably doesn’t mind that I am shorter.


I’m still hopeful that AYP will, eventually, manifest someone who I can, and she is able to (circumstances wise), have a sexual relationship with.

And other subs with manifestation should eventually work also.

I have seriously considered DMSI, but AYP appeals way more to me. One highly compatiable ‘perfect for me’ partner would be vastly better than dozens of random hot chicks.


Back to the short-guy discussion:

I have bulked up a little since doing a few years of Gym training / conditioning, and most of that seems to be muscle.

Pretty sure that shorter guys look more ripped (compared to taller) with the same amount of muscle. That is one perk of being shorter.


Ultimately, it is all relative,
Above average height and taller guys may have an easier time with dating / attracting women, but shorter guys have a much easier time mastering a solid planche.

You are a virgin. You don't have enough experience to really know. And you have bought into negative beliefs that are self limiting and will lead you to (and have led you to) failure and self fulfilling failure at that.

But you insist you are right because you have been believing this and it has been true for you because you accepted it, acted as if it was true and made it true. Yet here I am, 5'7" and never had trouble with taller women. I even have had one of them stalk me until I had to call the cops.

Now why is it that I don't have trouble with taller women, when I'm not stunningly good looking, rich or famous?

It's because I don't artificially limit myself with negative, failure based, failure breeding beliefs.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Based on all the subs you have built and all the scripts you have written up to this point. If I felt I lacked confidence in getting a new job because of lack of experience and because it has been along time since I had a job, what sub would you recommend, seeing as this is a top priority for me and if it was not for my father giving me money, shelter, food and previous jobs years ago, I would be fooked, so I want to stand on my own two feet but I feel I lack confidence in making it happen, because of the obvious perks of not needing to for a few years but I now want to because I no longer want to take money from my father as it eats me up inside for a long time, especially as he is so kind and generous and I am very thankful but I would doing a world of good for myself and my parents if I could earn my own money but getting a job, ASAP.

Any help appreciated, in what you think based on me specifically wanting to get a new job ASAP, but lack the self confidence, is the best sub for me to use.

I am very impressed with the results I am getting from US/LM right now. If I was going to recommend one sub, I think that would be it.

[dweller94]

I am very impressed with the results I am getting from US/LM right now. If I was going to recommend one sub, I think that would be it.

What kind of results have you got so far ?

[MasterEnki]

@Shannon

Good points. I have a few negative / limiting beliefs that I have picked up over the years.

Hopefully AYP will take care of everything.


1. How do negative / limiting beliefs affect AYP / AYP manifestation(s)?

2. Would the belief of “not being good enough for a sexual relationship” (and associated limiting beliefs such as too short, too skinny, too nerdy, too boring, etc.) slow down (or even stop) the manifestation of AYP / AYP manifestation?


I’ve been using AYP everyday, ~ 10 hours per day, for 6.5 months (today is Day 194). I plan to keep going for at least 9 months total, maybe longer, to give AYP a fair go.

3. Would using AYP overcome the belief of “not being good enough for a sexual relationship” (and associated limiting beliefs)?


Another thing I was contemplating is that, due to a lack of sexual experience, being a virgin is somewhat linked to my identity.

4. How does self-identity affect the success and/or quality of AYP manifestation(s)?

5. Would having an identity as a virgin slow down (or stop) the manifestation process of AYP program(s)?

6. Does using AYP change ones self-identity from ‘virgin’ to ‘non-virgin’?


Thanks

[Benjamin]

MasterEnki I feel like from what you're reporting that something else might be good first since you have so many limiting beliefs. Maybe E2 or DMSI. E2 takes longer and isn't specifically focused on the beliefs around women. DMSI will be more effective for healing things around that, but it's mostly focused on sex.

I'm not sure you can change your identity from being a 'virgin' to 'non virgin' without actually having sex. More like developing the belief that you CAN have sex and that everything will be ok.