Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Zane]

I had a dream that I was morphing/turning into something real evil. Seemed to get girls attention though.

Could this be seen as resistance from my subconcious trying to tell me that DMSI is turning me into something 'evil'?

My cousin sis came in dreams and whispered in my ears that " Shannon's subliminals are Dark and Evil"

[Oversoul]

I had a dream that I was morphing/turning into something real evil. Seemed to get girls attention though.

Could this be seen as resistance from my subconcious trying to tell me that DMSI is turning me into something 'evil'?

My cousin sis came in dreams and whispered in my ears that " Shannon's subliminals are Dark and Evil"

Wow lol. Defo sounds like some high level resistance

[DarkPlouf]

Does MLS 5.5g, include all the script of "Improve your grades and study habits 4G"?

I have been thinking of getting "Improve your grades and study habits 4G" as that is basically what I want to do.

Hear a lot about resistance and reversal, with MLS 5.5G, which puts me off.

Shall I try "Improve your grades and study habits 4G" first?

Isn't "Improve your grades and study habits 4G" the 4G program that worked the least this past year ? If I recall, way before the DMSI hype there were a few journals about it and people weren't getting much success. Principally about dealing with procrastination and drive to study.
However it wouldn't hurt to try, given the price...

@WIP68 That's an interesting theory but if theta state was so much important, wouldn't sleep with subliminals be highly effective ? Aren't most people sleeping with subliminals anyways ? Yet results aren't crazy.
I wouldn't say your theory is 100% incorrect. I used to get lucid dreams like when listening to subliminals AND being tired as fuck. Which at least means something was happening.
I know being in a very relaxed state of mind is primordial for some tasks and mental work but I'm not sure they contribute that much to success with subliminals.

[enoch]

Had a dream about gearing up for upcoming battle. I prepared and attached multiple guns in my person but the most prominent is the katana as a last resort for defense. I get in a spacious car, seems like a Jeep Wrangler with other people. The dream cuts off another scene emerges. Looking back at it, it looks like we were off to fight zombies.

Next dream was meeting inside a house of what looks like the living room when we suddenly came under attack by bad people. This time I hid in a closet helplessly hoping they don't find me. Moments later Some guy frantically trying to hide with me. there was not much room in the closet but I reluctantly let him in, he is standing between me and the door. I hear gun shots outside then inside the place. They started checking the house, opening closets. When they got to mine I can see them through the thin opening of the closet door and remember deep fear for my life.

This is where I consiously influence the next events, kicking the door open for surprise attack. I jumped 12 ft. High towards their flank then took them down john wick style. The other guy in the closet did not make it.

[WIP68]

Does MLS 5.5g, include all the script of "Improve your grades and study habits 4G"?

I have been thinking of getting "Improve your grades and study habits 4G" as that is basically what I want to do.

Hear a lot about resistance and reversal, with MLS 5.5G, which puts me off.

Shall I try "Improve your grades and study habits 4G" first?

Isn't "Improve your grades and study habits 4G" the 4G program that worked the least this past year ? If I recall, way before the DMSI hype there were a few journals about it and people weren't getting much success. Principally about dealing with procrastination and drive to study.
However it wouldn't hurt to try, given the price...

@WIP68 That's an interesting theory but if theta state was so much important, wouldn't sleep with subliminals be highly effective ? Aren't most people sleeping with subliminals anyways ? Yet results aren't crazy.
I wouldn't say your theory is 100% incorrect. I used to get lucid dreams like when listening to subliminals AND being tired as ****. Which at least means something was happening.
I know being in a very relaxed state of mind is primordial for some tasks and mental work but I'm not sure they contribute that much to success with subliminals.

Hence the title "A Half Baked DMSI Theory..."

I'm not 100% invested in it either, I'd just thought I'd put it out there for critique.

Here are some questions to add to the discussion:

What is each individual's Theta state length? Is it long enough to accept all of the sub's instructions? Is the sub hitting that state repeatedly for 32 days straight? If at all?

I think you see what I'm getting at. A lesser generation sub with a "simpler" instruction set (that may not affect the ego as intensely?) that is listened to for 14 hours a day is likely to hit the user's Theta brainwave "sweet spot," and hit it repeatedly for 32 days, enough to positively affect neuro plasticity. An instructionally "dense" sub, like DMSI, (that affects the ego intensely), that is only listened to once a day for a little over an hour, is not likely to hit the Theta sweet spot completely (if the sweet spot is even available or open for an hour) if all that day, or the required 32 days in a row for that matter.

I think this is why you see some individuals more successful on less complex subs like Aura of Sexuality (right name?) that had several hours of listening time. The long hours of listening, combined with simpler (may I assume shorter?) instructions, allowed greater probability of repeated acceptance into the user's Theta wave window.

This is why I would like Shannon to make a version of DMSI 3.2B that entrains the brain to Theta while giving the instructions.

***As a another topic...

Is sub user's diet proper to support neurogenesis?

DMSI tries makes major changes to an individual's brain structure. If the individual is not giving his body the proper materials to allow this to happen, it simply won't happen. Maybe this is the reason for some of the reported tiredness. Muscles that aren't fed properly will perform less optimally and will make you tired.

To all sub users I suggest reading the diet portion of the following book:

"The Neurogenesis Diet and Lifestyle: Upgrade Your Brain, Upgrade Your Life"
by Brant Cortright

[DarkPlouf]

What is each individual's Theta state length? Is it long enough to accept all of the sub's instructions? Is the sub hitting that state repeatedly for 32 days straight? If at all?

I think you see what I'm getting at. A lesser generation sub with a "simpler" instruction set (that may not affect the ego as intensely?) that is listened to for 14 hours a day is likely to hit the user's Theta brainwave "sweet spot," and hit it repeatedly for 32 days, enough to positively affect neuro plasticity. An instructionally "dense" sub, like DMSI, (that affects the ego intensely), that is only listened to once a day for a little over an hour, is not likely to hit the Theta sweet spot completely (if the sweet spot is even available or open for an hour) if all that day, or the required 32 days in a row for that matter.

I like what you call "sweet spot". Sometimes magic happens and being in that sweet spot may explain why it happens. That also explains why we can't reproduce constantly these amazing effects. Obviously when magic happens it's because the mind is in the proper state and some conditions are matched. If that's what you mean by sweet spot then I agree. Now what you're saying is that being in theta may be one of this required condition. I personally don't know...did you try that theory?

Now from what I know from subliminals so far, they are crafted to bypass the conscious mind in the first place. So theoretically theta shouldn't be required, as the subliminal instructions go straight to the subconscious mind, which is always in a suggestible state as long as the conscious mind doesn't perceive the stimuli.
Now that's how things are supposed to be. That's a legacy knowledge that even Shannon believes in (he wrote so in the FAQ, why theta isn't required) but in reality things may be different, especially for some people.
I know that some people can easily get into a suggestive state, while some hardly can.

I think this is why you see some individuals more successful on less complex subs like Aura of Sexuality (right name?) that had several hours of listening time. The long hours of listening, combined with simpler (may I assume shorter?) instructions, allowed greater probability of repeated acceptance into the user's Theta wave window.

If theta state matters then that makes perfect sense.
But honestly I think it's more complicated than that. I used to believe that short instructions are better and that subs can be too bloated. But anyone can try to make a very simple sub and listen to it. We can see it's more complicated than just making short instructions.

However I recognize that Shannon 5.5G subs seem to exhaust and drain the hell out of the user. Even Self Esteem 5.5G, the last IML sub I tried, was impairing my cognition sometimes. In worst cases I would feel SO dumb and slow.
I think that's something mistaken as reversal resistance with Maximum Learning Speed. It's just the brain being overloaded.

***As a another topic...

Is sub user's diet proper to support neurogenesis?

DMSI tries makes major changes to an individual's brain structure. If the individual is not giving his body the proper materials to allow this to happen, it simply won't happen. Maybe this is the reason for some of the reported tiredness. Muscles that aren't fed properly will perform less optimally and will make you tired.

To all sub users I suggest reading the diet portion of the following book:

"The Neurogenesis Diet and Lifestyle: Upgrade Your Brain, Upgrade Your Life"

Makes sense to me.

[Zane]

I had a dream that I was morphing/turning into something real evil. Seemed to get girls attention though.

Could this be seen as resistance from my subconcious trying to tell me that DMSI is turning me into something 'evil'?

My cousin sis came in dreams and whispered in my ears that " Shannon's subliminals are Dark and Evil"

Wow lol. Defo sounds like some high level resistance

Yeah, Tbh she was looking really attractive but the way she whispered in my ears was like is some kinda seductive tone. Seductive yet evil..Like Devil's Daughter

[Determined]

What is each individual's Theta state length? Is it long enough to accept all of the sub's instructions? Is the sub hitting that state repeatedly for 32 days straight? If at all?

I think you see what I'm getting at. A lesser generation sub with a "simpler" instruction set (that may not affect the ego as intensely?) that is listened to for 14 hours a day is likely to hit the user's Theta brainwave "sweet spot," and hit it repeatedly for 32 days, enough to positively affect neuro plasticity. An instructionally "dense" sub, like DMSI, (that affects the ego intensely), that is only listened to once a day for a little over an hour, is not likely to hit the Theta sweet spot completely (if the sweet spot is even available or open for an hour) if all that day, or the required 32 days in a row for that matter.

I like what you call "sweet spot". Sometimes magic happens and being in that sweet spot may explain why it happens. That also explains why we can't reproduce constantly these amazing effects. Obviously when magic happens it's because the mind is in the proper state and some conditions are matched. If that's what you mean by sweet spot then I agree. Now what you're saying is that being in theta may be one of this required condition. I personally don't know...did you try that theory?

Now from what I know from subliminals so far, they are crafted to bypass the conscious mind in the first place. So theoretically theta shouldn't be required, as the subliminal instructions go straight to the subconscious mind, which is always in a suggestible state as long as the conscious mind doesn't perceive the stimuli.
Now that's how things are supposed to be. That's a legacy knowledge that even Shannon believes in (he wrote so in the FAQ, why theta isn't required) but in reality things may be different, especially for some people.
I know that some people can easily get into a suggestive state, while some hardly can.

I think this is why you see some individuals more successful on less complex subs like Aura of Sexuality (right name?) that had several hours of listening time. The long hours of listening, combined with simpler (may I assume shorter?) instructions, allowed greater probability of repeated acceptance into the user's Theta wave window.

If theta state matters then that makes perfect sense.
But honestly I think it's more complicated than that. I used to believe that short instructions are better and that subs can be too bloated. But anyone can try to make a very simple sub and listen to it. We can see it's more complicated than just making short instructions.

However I recognize that Shannon 5.5G subs seem to exhaust and drain the hell out of the user. Even Self Esteem 5.5G, the last IML sub I tried, was impairing my cognition sometimes. In worst cases I would feel SO dumb and slow.
I think that's something mistaken as reversal resistance with Maximum Learning Speed. It's just the brain being overloaded.

***As a another topic...

Is sub user's diet proper to support neurogenesis?

DMSI tries makes major changes to an individual's brain structure. If the individual is not giving his body the proper materials to allow this to happen, it simply won't happen. Maybe this is the reason for some of the reported tiredness. Muscles that aren't fed properly will perform less optimally and will make you tired.

To all sub users I suggest reading the diet portion of the following book:

"The Neurogenesis Diet and Lifestyle: Upgrade Your Brain, Upgrade Your Life"

Makes sense to me.

I think you're generalising what happened to you individually to everyone else, which is a fallacy.

No two brains are the same; some can absorb more information than others and some are much more intelligent and know what to do with that absorbed information better than those that aren't.

Even the subconscious differs. Some people have far more intelligent subconscious minds than others.

[DarkPlouf]

I think you're generalising what happened to you individually to everyone else, which is a fallacy.

If you have read me thus far you should know I am not. The one who's generalizing things is Shannon thinking there is only one answer to failure with subliminal : resistance. That's basically putting everyone in the same category regardless of each individual baggage and their personal reaction to external stimuli.

Here what I have been doing thus far is telling people to think by themselves and try to corner from their own perspective what doesn't work.

I have only provided an alternative interpretation to what Shannon interpreted as Reversal Resistance. In addition, people DO report being tired a lot, that wasn't an isolated case. Thing which is always, absolutely, and categorically generalized as resisting the script.
Noticing a decrease in cognitive ability on MLS: Reversal Resistance, ok, that's possible, and could be. Now noticing the same thing on a sub that isn't related at all to cognition :if you follow logic Reversal Resistance doesn't explain that.

You even said yourself not all brains are the same. Which is what I have been saying. But for the body and for the subconscious too. They aren't alike for everyone. If one's brain is too weak to handle billions of stimuli that 5.5G provide, wouldn't that person better find a solution or an alternative that matches his own response, rather than waiting for "resistance" to magically disappear?

Again, what I have been trying to say, and what WIP69 provided are alternative explanations that may work for some people, at an individual level. The key to success, I believe, being to know yourself and what works for you.

I am surprised I had to explain that to you Determined.
And if what you wrote still holds then you should know there isn't one absolute answer for everyone.

[Determined]

I think you're generalising what happened to you individually to everyone else, which is a fallacy.

If you have read me thus far you should know I am not. The one who's generalizing things is Shannon thinking there is only one answer to failure with subliminal : resistance. That's basically putting everyone in the same category regardless of each individual baggage and their personal reaction to external stimuli.

Here what I have been doing thus far is telling people to think by themselves and try to corner from their own perspective what doesn't work.

I have only provided an alternative interpretation to what Shannon interpreted as Reversal Resistance. In addition, people DO report being tired a lot, that wasn't an isolated case. Thing which is always, absolutely, and categorically generalized as resisting the script.

You even said yourself not all brains are the same. Which is what I have been saying. But for the body and for the subconscious too. They aren't alike for everyone. If one's brain is too weak to handle billions of stimuli that 5.5G provide, wouldn't that person better find a solution or an alternative that matches his own response, rather than waiting for "resistance" to magically disappear?

Again, what I have been trying to say, and what WIP69 provided really are alternative explanation that may work for some people, at an individual level. The key to success, I believe, being to know yourself a'd what works for you.

I am surprised I had to explain that to you Determined.
And if what you wrote still holds then you should know there isn't one absolute answer for everyone.

[/quote]

I'm glad you're starting to understand how this all works, last year I reminded you a few times that the key to this work is taking complete responsibility for yourself. That includes knowing yourself and your limitations.

It'd be foolish to run DMSI A side while trying to balance a demanding corporate job which requires energy and motivation. Turning around and blaming the sub because it's trying to do one thing while your life demands another is also foolish. You as the user made the decision to run it in the first place.

I honestly don't think the sub should be dumbed down because of a few mental lightweights. The goal of the sub is to get to the endpoint as a fast as possible. Yes there were some people who reported feeling tired ( I too have at times when I was resisting the script) but that's no basis to make it weaker.

In fact, enabling the weak only encourages weakness.

[kornjacinvrac]

I can say i am happy with 3.2 A and B. I would like B to be more... less agressive - because i feel angry with it. (if thats possible). A is for my taste better. No anxiety, feeling good, good vibing, good energy, NO self sabotage, no regrets, no shame - no problem hitting girls - just this alone makes it a beatiful thing. Im pleased with it. As for B, i feel more agressive, and angry sometimes. Especially in the beggining, day 1,2,3,4,5 etc. Now as for whole aura thing, i didn't notice anything. In the beggining of 3.1 i did notice indicators of interests (a lot) with A, but as for 3.2 i did sometimes and sometimes i didn't. I wasn't consistent.

[Leo1990]

I dont know what the current versions entail (in suggestions and such), but it would be nice if later versions had suggestions that took into account people currently taking action towards the end goals of the program.

[NoLimit]

Hi guys, long time no see, can someone link me some of the best dmsi 3.2 journal ?

I need to check something.

[Oversoul]

Ive noticed girls smiling a lot around me looking at me etc but ONLY WHEN THEY THINK I DONT NOTICE. As soon as I glance at them, they frown, then go back to smiling at me again thinking I dont see it.