Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol.9

[Shannon]

Running it for a month would help, but not the way you suggest.  You'll do much better to run it for 4 months.  Or run PRA v1/2 for a while.  

Pros of Stage 0: It has PTSD Recovery Aid, FRM, Brain Optimizer, etc. 
Cons: It is not designed to go in a direction that focuses on dealing with the things that would be holding you back.

If you have it, you can use it, but again... 4 months would be what I think would be necessary.  

If you have the option, PRA is almost certainly going to be a better choice because of what it focuses on.  And I'll have v2c ready shortly.

Would you say that the two month run of the non-complex PTSD Recovery Aid v2c would be enough for me?  Also, how long of a break should I take between this program and another run of UMS?  Thanks!

I'm not going to be able to predict that for you, as there are simply too many variables in play.  You are going to have to run it for whatever approach you choose and see what progress has been made in the end, and base your decisions on that.  But if you're trying to run PRA v2c to get to success with UMS, you're going to be doing some deep work, which I think would most likely require more than one run-through of PRA v2c.  Experiments with testers have shown that once PRA takes charge and starts making progress, it is easy to seriously derail if you stop the program too soon, and it takes a while to get back to where you were.  At least, that's what we observed with v1.

The issue seems to be the regenerative capacity that fear seems to have.  If it is dominated but not eliminated, then the root will just grow new shoots when the dominating subliminal influence is removed, as it were.

[Shannon]

I've ordered the subscription option for PTSD Recovery Aid v2c.  However, it won't give options for the stream to listen too or duration, it shows that I've already had a long history of listening to the program, and it gives me the links to download the full program.

Thank you for reporting that.  I've done what should correct it.  Please let me know if it has not.

Ben, get this man a free month of that subscription for his honesty.

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon, so the Fear Remover is EVEN STRONGER, more effective in PRA v2c  in 6.5 G,  than before???

FRM was "strong enough" to get the job done for almost everyone even in v1.0.  In v2c, it is being driven by a much more powerful engine, but that power isn't usually what's needed.  What's needed is a precisely balanced application of the FRM.  In v2c, FRM benefits from some additions to the skeleton script that make the job of FRM easier by making it easier for you to handle the process of healing.

So yes, it's stronger, and yes, it's more effective - but again... if you can do the job with 500 horsepower, then 2,330 horsepower isn't what's going to make the difference.  It's going to come down to how  finely machined and fitted the parts are that make it possible for that engine to deliver exactly the right amount of power required, and do so comfortably.

PRA v2c has this.

Ive decided to go forward with this program
Thanks for the info on PRA v2c 6.5G. Gives new meaning to more power to ya!!

Looking forward to having The Aura of Love in MY Life again, in a different capacity, thats included in PRA 2

[samba99]

Shannon,

I am wondering, in general, what changed in latest DMSI that is specifically for male now? I remember previously, you highlighted that its very difficult to make the script for male only and that DMSI script is built entirely to be non gender specific.

I am surprised to see the change was made. I am considering to start DMSI again.

I am complementing whether to use the old version 3.5 that before the male only,

I remember using male version one when it came out but I dont remember having good results overall

I believe what I said was that it was extremely difficult to make something that would work for everyone,without getting more specific.  The goal back then was specifically to make the program possible for both men and women to run.  But that forces me to compromise in terms of how certain things are implemented, which makes it less capable than it could be.

I concluded that:

A) The vast majority of women don't need help getting to sex;
B) The program needed to go further than it was going to achieve it's goals; and 
C) The only way to move forward meaningfully is to advance in a made-for-males-only direction.

I have not heard a lot of positive feedback regarding the 6G DMSI, which makes me think it's not working as well as I'd like it to... that, or nobody is reporting anything anymore.  I'm contemplating putting out a 6.5G version, but I'm not sure it's worth trying, given how hard everyone seems to fight the damned thing, no matter what I do.  I'm under the impression at this point that the people who it works for don't have the fears that kill it, and thus largely don't need (and therefore don't know about, don't buy or don't report on) it, and the people who need it are abjectly terrified of executing because they're absolutely convinced that it will literally get them killed to do so.

I am sure I can make it through that given 6.5G and what the FRM is capable of doing at this point (as revealed by PRA), but after all this time... is it worth continuing to try still?

Hey @Shannon!

I have had another very serious issue in the family to deal with for a long time now...

Alongside an awful thing that happened to me just a short period before the run of this program. (V5.1)

However, I can say I do think it's done some work internally, and FRM/Trauma related stuff. 

I've had some extreme excavation in that department needed. Maybe demolition with Tsar Bomba quite probably...

So I can say, it SEEMS like things are trending in the right direction with V5.1 at least.

I can categorically say it IS worth it to release a new DMSI, with the new DRS you're planning soon inside it...that's needed intensely. I have odd issues with one person in particular that must be related to that. DRS needs some work to address that behaviour if possible. 

A new DMSI V6.1, if you will, would be amazing in 6.5G. Let's see what it can do. It's a great test of the new technology. Who knows, it may reveal some things to you to develop 6.6G or 6.75G etc., like AM7 has shown. Fascinating.

I hope you are doing well and giving yourself solid break time in between all of this work. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Good to hear from you again, and good to hear that it's putting a dent in Old Ironsides.  I'd prefer not to hear that you're having to deal with so much BS, but such is life, I suppose.

I spent a LONG time developing 6.0G because I was planning to build everything on a standard base, and then AAMTS v7 literally forced me to develop 6.5G or never release AAMTS again.  I'm not trying to develop the Skeleton Script into anything higher than 6.5G unless I see a genuine need to do that, and honestly, I have no ideas left for how to do that anyway.  So don't assume that the 6.xG development arc will follow the 5.xG development arc.  We have literally hit hard limits that cannot be exceeded at this point in a number of directions.  

The goal now is to get the library built out in 6.5G, so I can stop increasing the price and start providing a stable and homogenous library of great options for my customers.

I'd like to hear more about your experience and why you think it needs DRS.

I also believe that DRS is important, something about being attractive and high celebrity effect just needs protection to be honest.  

From my experience of both version 3.5 and the 5, I felt 3.5 was more complete and more enjoyable. 

I just started running version 3.5 again, because I wanted the DRS, 

Even though when I log into my store account I see that I have access to stream the DRS in 6g, (but I am not doing so since I didnt pay for streaming for long time now)

[kserenyi]

Would you say that the two month run of the non-complex PTSD Recovery Aid v2c would be enough for me?  Also, how long of a break should I take between this program and another run of UMS?  Thanks!

I'm not going to be able to predict that for you, as there are simply too many variables in play.  You are going to have to run it for whatever approach you choose and see what progress has been made in the end, and base your decisions on that.  But if you're trying to run PRA v2c to get to success with UMS, you're going to be doing some deep work, which I think would most likely require more than one run-through of PRA v2c.  Experiments with testers have shown that once PRA takes charge and starts making progress, it is easy to seriously derail if you stop the program too soon, and it takes a while to get back to where you were.  At least, that's what we observed with v1.

The issue seems to be the regenerative capacity that fear seems to have.  If it is dominated but not eliminated, then the root will just grow new shoots when the dominating subliminal influence is removed, as it were.

Thank you.  Does there need to be a break taken between PRA v2c runs?  It is unclear in the instructions.

[kserenyi]

I've ordered the subscription option for PTSD Recovery Aid v2c.  However, it won't give options for the stream to listen too or duration, it shows that I've already had a long history of listening to the program, and it gives me the links to download the full program.

Thank you for reporting that.  I've done what should correct it.  Please let me know if it has not.

Ben, get this man a free month of that subscription for his honesty.

Thank you Shannon!  It still shows that I've been streaming the program for the past four months for some reason but I don't think that matters much.  Otherwise it's working fine now. 

[Shannon]

I believe what I said was that it was extremely difficult to make something that would work for everyone,without getting more specific.  The goal back then was specifically to make the program possible for both men and women to run.  But that forces me to compromise in terms of how certain things are implemented, which makes it less capable than it could be.

I concluded that:

A) The vast majority of women don't need help getting to sex;
B) The program needed to go further than it was going to achieve it's goals; and 
C) The only way to move forward meaningfully is to advance in a made-for-males-only direction.

I have not heard a lot of positive feedback regarding the 6G DMSI, which makes me think it's not working as well as I'd like it to... that, or nobody is reporting anything anymore.  I'm contemplating putting out a 6.5G version, but I'm not sure it's worth trying, given how hard everyone seems to fight the damned thing, no matter what I do.  I'm under the impression at this point that the people who it works for don't have the fears that kill it, and thus largely don't need (and therefore don't know about, don't buy or don't report on) it, and the people who need it are abjectly terrified of executing because they're absolutely convinced that it will literally get them killed to do so.

I am sure I can make it through that given 6.5G and what the FRM is capable of doing at this point (as revealed by PRA), but after all this time... is it worth continuing to try still?

Good to hear from you again, and good to hear that it's putting a dent in Old Ironsides.  I'd prefer not to hear that you're having to deal with so much BS, but such is life, I suppose.

I spent a LONG time developing 6.0G because I was planning to build everything on a standard base, and then AAMTS v7 literally forced me to develop 6.5G or never release AAMTS again.  I'm not trying to develop the Skeleton Script into anything higher than 6.5G unless I see a genuine need to do that, and honestly, I have no ideas left for how to do that anyway.  So don't assume that the 6.xG development arc will follow the 5.xG development arc.  We have literally hit hard limits that cannot be exceeded at this point in a number of directions.  

The goal now is to get the library built out in 6.5G, so I can stop increasing the price and start providing a stable and homogenous library of great options for my customers.

I'd like to hear more about your experience and why you think it needs DRS.

I also believe that DRS is important, something about being attractive and high celebrity effect just needs protection to be honest.  

From my experience of both version 3.5 and the 5, I felt 3.5 was more complete and more enjoyable. 

I just started running version 3.5 again, because I wanted the DRS, 

Even though when I log into my store account I see that I have access to stream the DRS in 6g, (but I am not doing so since I didnt pay for streaming for long time now)

That you say v3.5 felt more complete is quite amusing, since it has many fewer goals and statements.  I think the difference is in what is being executed.  What is threatening the parts of you that try to fight it.  The more threat of success, the harder they fight.  Should be interesting to see what 6.5G does in this direction.

[Shannon]

I'm not going to be able to predict that for you, as there are simply too many variables in play.  You are going to have to run it for whatever approach you choose and see what progress has been made in the end, and base your decisions on that.  But if you're trying to run PRA v2c to get to success with UMS, you're going to be doing some deep work, which I think would most likely require more than one run-through of PRA v2c.  Experiments with testers have shown that once PRA takes charge and starts making progress, it is easy to seriously derail if you stop the program too soon, and it takes a while to get back to where you were.  At least, that's what we observed with v1.

The issue seems to be the regenerative capacity that fear seems to have.  If it is dominated but not eliminated, then the root will just grow new shoots when the dominating subliminal influence is removed, as it were.

Thank you.  Does there need to be a break taken between PRA v2c runs?  It is unclear in the instructions.

No break is stated because none is required, and it is not useful.  It is in fact counter effective to take a break between the run-throughs.

[ncbeareatingman]

Reporting a few errors on the description page of PRA v2c

 These programs are designed to release and disconnect guilt, shame a fear"

" is that they must hold on to and actually preserve their their trauma"

[Shannon]

Got it. Thanks!

[Lionstrength]

Thank you I appreciate that I was apart of since 2017 but second time it hits differently. I ran PRA for complex PTSD settings instructions to the T for 4 months. Honestly I went through so much and have been focused on alot of otherthins I can't really say expect remembering sleepless nights being like this feels something from PRA. Sorry life was vey chaotic during that time especially with fully time job, being managing partner in a new start up and teaching martial arts (and tested/promoted to 3rd Black Belt) all within those 4 months. I consider thst I'm extermely stubborn to self defeat/destruction especially when it comes to self worth/imposter syndrome. Its more of a feeling like I can do better and study and always have been known to be the guy learn fast, adapt, improvise, and get stuff done but when I want to study something deeply (like academic martial arts side) I sit with a book paper and pen do couple of minutes then fight tooth and nail for procrastination and this is an on going thing since high school. Especially for when I try to have journal practice for self awareness and independent thinking its almost just notes or goals very surface level. Hope this helps some with out getting too much off topic

Given all this, my advice is that you should probably do a couple more 4-month -per run throughs of PTSD Recovery Aid for complex PTSD.Then attempt to do the MLS again.

Thank you Shannon now with me being risen by a single mother (broken hope) would I be able to Run AAM Stage 0 a few times? (My ultimate goal is to move out and stay independent within 1 year) so the vision I have is MLS to upskill for finance/business (and other interest of course) then UMSv3 to build strong savings and multiple income streams (close) and have the confidence to be free of financial anxiety and then I plan to do AAM full stage and do alot of deep work during that time. I'm just trying to figure best path and wanted to ask I know PRAv1 is in Stage  0 will it ever be updated to PRAv2?

[ncbeareatingman]

Here ya go: PRA v2c.
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-PTSD-...#pid273359

[Shannon]

Given all this, my advice is that you should probably do a couple more 4-month -per run throughs of PTSD Recovery Aid for complex PTSD.Then attempt to do the MLS again.

Thank you Shannon now with me being risen by a single mother (broken hope) would I be able to Run AAM Stage 0 a few times? (My ultimate goal is to move out and stay independent within 1 year) so the vision I have is MLS to upskill for finance/business (and other interest of course) then UMSv3 to build strong savings and multiple income streams (close) and have the confidence to be free of financial anxiety and then I plan to do AAM full stage and do alot of deep work during that time. I'm just trying to figure best path and wanted to ask I know PRAv1 is in Stage  0 will it ever be updated to PRAv2?

 
You cannot run Stage 0 more than 4 months at a time.  You are unlikely to continue getting benefits after 4 months because your subconscious will probably become bored of listening to the same script for too long.

Stage 0 uses the same Key Script as PRA v2c.  There's no upgrade necessary.

There is a trap here that I'm going to point out and guide you around.  You can be helped by MLS and UMS but they will not solve your problems yet because you don't have the foundation necessary.  If you have traumas regarding learning, schooling or finances, they are likely to trigger a massive amount of resistance from your subconscious, and you'll probably spend a lot of time getting very little result unless you overcome the traumas that cause the resistance first.  That may change when I rebuild them in 6.5G, but for the time being, this is important to be aware of.  

So before you try to run either of them, sit down and ask yourself some serious questions.  Answer honestly.  For MLS: Do I have traumatic experiences in my past that I associate with school and learning?  Do I deep down believe that learning is somehow dangerous, or going to lead to something dangerous for me?  Do I have fear of expressing my full intelligence?  Do I have fear of achieving my full accomplishment potential when it comes to learning?  Do I pretend to be less intelligent or knowledgeable to "fit in"?  Any of these might trigger the resistance I am talking about.

For UMS, the questions are similar.  Do I hold core beliefs that contradict being financially wealthy?  Do I hold core beliefs that make being wealthy somehow a bad thing?  Would I rather go along with and be accepted by the anti-wealth herd than be wealthy? Do I fear being treated differently by my family and friends and strangers if I become wealthy?  Do I fear losing family and friends because of having money?  Do I believe that being wealthy will somehow get me punished?  Do I believe that somehow, poverty is a virtue?  Do I somehow associate wealth with disconnection from my primary internal locus of security?

Especially regarding UMS, there are a LOT of possible faulty beliefs that can hold you down and stand in the way of becoming wealthy to whatever degree you would become wealthy if you fully executed.  There have been a LOT of teachings over the years that have been aimed at preventing people from achieving their full financial potential, and some of them have become twisted, misunderstood and warped into even more damaging versions of themselves.  

For example, the belief that being wealthy is somehow going to make you a bad person.  Wealth doesn't make you a bad person; it just takes the mask off and allows you to more freely act on what you were all along.  If you were a selfish, arrogant prick the whole time, then you'll just show the world that you were that all along.  But if you're a kind, caring person, who wants to make the world a better place, then there's a good chance that you'll be empowered to do that more.  The more wealthy you have the more influence you have on the world around you.  

Wealth itself is just a tool, like a hammer.  You can use a hammer to build a home, or crush someone's skull and kill them.  The hammer isn't evil because of the latter, or good because of the former; it is just a tool.  Just as wealth is just a tool, to be used and deployed in the manner of the person who owns it.

Recently there's been a lot of brainwashing going on in the directions of "we should hate billionaires because all billionaires are bad".  The very same people who are asking you to believe that are the very same people who were saying the exact same thing about millionaires.... until the moment they themselves because millionaires.  (While doing jobs that could never account for them becoming millionaires... hmmm.)

Being a billionaire is no different than being a millionaire is no different than being broke as a joke when it comes to what and who you are.  You are only being uncovered and unleashed by the power to do more as you please that it gives you.  The money is not good or bad.  It simply is.  What it's current owner chooses to do with it, that's what matters.  Who and what you are is who and what you will be if you have more money... just with more potential to influence the world if and how you see fit.  

So money itself isn't a problem.  More money is more potential to do good in the world, as much as it is more  potential to do bad.  And having money doesn't mean you have to tell anyone at all that you have it... or do anything at all with it.  I have met self made millionaires who dressed in raggedy old overalls and beat up shoes and ate plain oatmeal every morning and cheap Salisbury steaks and mashed potatoes every evening because they didn't want to spend their money.  You can do whatever you want with your money.  

And that is why you have so many factions trying to manipulate your beliefs regarding money.  In some ways, money = freedom, and freedom means one less person that can be controlled.  Some people, ad groups, thrive on controlling other people to gain their power.  By convincing you that having money you will become the target of someone else, they make you avoid money out of fear.  By convincing you that having money makes you somehow inherently "bad", they do the same thing.  And again, the same thing by convincing you that having money means you'll lose out on something after you die, and again by making you misunderstand that saying, "The love of money is the root of all evil." Most people know it as "Money is the root of all evil."  But regardless of which of those you have heard and internalized... is it even true?

This is a long winded way of saying that money, wealth, has around it a LOT of tangled and false and faulty beliefs in most people, which end up being the result of someone or something else trying to manipulate them into being and staying below their financial potential in order to gain control and power over you.  Because let's face it, if you're sitting pretty, you don't need someone else's "help", through which they can then extract favors and control.  The vast majority of people who struggle financially do so because someone taught them to hold false, faulty beliefs that result in them being less than they have the potential to be financially.  That may have been simply being exposed to someone else who sincerely held these false or faulty beliefs, or being exposed to someone or some group who intentionally teaches or spreads such beliefs in order to gain or maintain control.

A lot of people think that "the wealthy don't want us to be wealthy too". but that is not the case.  The wealthy I have met either don't care if you are wealthy, or want those who have less wealth to improve their class along with their wealth: to wit, I have no problem with my neighbors from Guatemala and Mexico and Haiti becoming wealthy.  I do have a problem with them becoming wealthy and still acting like they're living in the ghetto, because people from the ghetto don't usually behave with consideration for those around them.  I don't want to listen to their music in my house all night from 1 or 2 blocks away. 

Anyway, enough soap boxing.  The point is, if you hold beliefs that strongly disagree with you becoming wealthy and your subconscious concludes that having that wealth will put you in someone's crosshairs, or that you will be punished, or it will get you killed or worse, then that part of you is going to work hard - very hard - to derail your efforts in order to "keep you safe".  And in that case, you're better served with using PRA v2c and waiting until I manage to get the 6.5G version of UMS out.

Now as for Stage 0, I suggest you run it for a month and see what happens, and then decide what to do from there. If you don't like what it's doing, go to PRA v2c instead. If you do like what it's doing, then continue your run for a total of 4 months and assess from there.

[kserenyi]

Thank you.  Does there need to be a break taken between PRA v2c runs?  It is unclear in the instructions.

No break is stated because none is required, and it is not useful.  It is in fact counter effective to take a break between the run-throughs.

Thank you.  I know you've also been warning about the risks of subconscious boredom, and taking a break after 4 months of programs like AAMTS stage 0.  I'll run PRA v2c for 4 months and see how I feel.