Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Topaz]

I'm curious about the potential for enhanced healing in 6G.
Could we see improvements in areas like autoimmune conditions or even eyesight?

Even better How amazing would it be to have a sub that addresses everything!

Additionally, I’m wondering when we might expect the first confidence sub in 6G.

P.S.
I've been in touch with support regarding a refund for my DMSI subscription, but it’s been almost a month, and I’m still unsure about the status. I’m mentioning it here because I haven’t received the refund or any clear communication about it yet.

Thanks!

[Shannon]

That said... I'm really enjoying how much better the build process is for 6th Gen than it was for 5.x G.  This is definitely going to allow me to build faster.  Kind of frustrated that we have to go through testing so slowly, because I'd love to build a few programs in it right now.

If curiosity gets the best of you and you decide to break protocol, I might be willing to test a 6G-Alpha version of US and offer a head to head comparison with the 5.11G version. I know that testers don't generally get to choose what they'll test, and that there are certain qualifications that need to be met. But again, if you choose to break protocol, I might be interested.

This post isn't a 100% guaranteed offer on my part either. I would need to know the terms. I'm not willing to overload myself into a state of vegetation or anything.

I spent 13 years working on upgrading 5G to 6G and you think I'm gonna get curious and break protocol to save a little time instead of doing this right?  lol

[Shannon]

I'm curious about the potential for enhanced healing in 6G.
Could we see improvements in areas like autoimmune conditions or even eyesight?

Anything is possible.  We'll have to wait and see.

Even better How amazing would it be to have a sub that addresses everything!

It's called Optimal Physical Healing.

Additionally, I’m wondering when we might expect the first confidence sub in 6G.

When I know that 6G-Beta Test passes my requirements, and I have had time to develop a suitable ASC script to make it worthy of 6G.

P.S.
I've been in touch with support regarding a refund for my DMSI subscription, but it’s been almost a month, and I’m still unsure about the status. I’m mentioning it here because I haven’t received the refund or any clear communication about it yet.

Thanks!

I'm pretty sure we dealt with that.  Ben, can you please see what's up with that?

[saamaanazizi]

does autoconfig determine number of loops per day as well as usage patterns? if it does,can I obey and use 3 loops of OGFS v2 everyday?

[Shannon]

does autoconfig determine number of loops per day as well as usage patterns? if it does,can I obey and use 3 loops of OGFS v2 everyday?

Autoconfig can, but does not always, influence loops or whatever other aspect of usage is necessary to adjust in order to use it correctly.  It is usually experienced as an urge to use a specific usage setting for whatever variable it will affect.  If you think you're getting AutoConfig telling you to use 3 loops a day, go for it and see what happens.

[NOMAD]

If curiosity gets the best of you and you decide to break protocol, I might be willing to test a 6G-Alpha version of US and offer a head to head comparison with the 5.11G version. I know that testers don't generally get to choose what they'll test, and that there are certain qualifications that need to be met. But again, if you choose to break protocol, I might be interested.

This post isn't a 100% guaranteed offer on my part either. I would need to know the terms. I'm not willing to overload myself into a state of vegetation or anything.

I spent 13 years working on upgrading 5G to 6G and you think I'm gonna get curious and break protocol to save a little time instead of doing this right?  lol

I don't know the specifics of your protocols or how stringent you are with them. But no, I didn't expect you to jump on this. I'm also not sure that I would have accepted if you did. My time, my goals, and my efforts are as valuable to me as yours are to you.

[AbundanceCH]

Excited about the new Primal Masculinity sub although I hope Shannon sticks to the title rather than including stuff about making us stoic, open and vulnerable and all that stuff. We are already saturated with that stuff on a day to day basis and have been softened enough as it is as men. I'm not saying to have a sub that will turn us back into cavemen but a sub that will at least take us back to the men of only a few decades ago. Men from the 1920's to 1950's were hard, masculine, tough, driven, had strong boundaries. Total opposites of what we have now.

[Shannon]

Excited about the new Primal Masculinity sub although I hope Shannon sticks to the title rather than including stuff about making us stoic, open and vulnerable and all that stuff.  We are already saturated with that stuff on a day to day basis and have been softened enough as it is as men.  I'm not saying to have a sub that will turn us back into cavemen but a sub that will at least take us back to the men of only a few decades ago.  Men from the 1920's to 1950's were hard, masculine, tough, driven, had strong boundaries.  Total opposites of what we have now.

You define what "primal masculinity" is.  Then you go after it.  I'm not here to decide that for you.

[Benjamin]

I'm pretty sure we dealt with that.  Ben, can you please see what's up with that?

I've left you a message about it.

[Benjamin]

Primal Masulinity.

Awesome, this one is the first program i've been excited about for a while. I look forward to reading the full description.

I'm partly conflicted about the no healing part, but at this point I have no desire to do any sorely healing focused program again as i'm sick of doing so. Unless it's a program that utilyzes healing as a way to move towards the goals of the program.

But general healing programs, I realized it seems to just be a way for me to stay stuck and have an excuse to stay stuck and it seemed to just go around and around and i'd start a different program then be like "oh shit I need more healing". (This doesn't exclude physical healing, just emotional).

My previous favourite program funnily enough was UH, I guess that it was because it had physical healing too and helped me in a few areas. And my favourite before that was LTU.

I have to say OGSF v2 has been my least favourite in a very long time and there's very little chance i'd go back to it.

You define what "primal masculinity" is.  Then you go after it.  I'm not here to decide that for you.

I wonder how defining this for ourselves when using a program such as this is best done? 

I had a thought a while ago that I was going to mention here or to you but I forgot until now. Would it be valuable to have something in some programs, such as this one where you're defining it for yourself, that you write it down and decide in this example "what is masculinity for me?" "what do I want masculinity to be for me?" or something similar.. and then the program helps take you in that direction. And over time you can also refine it and add to it, and read it regularly so that the program has a direction.

Personally as I think i've said here before, i've struggled to find a program, 'mentor' or whatever who is a good middle ground. It's either Andrew Tate and such telilng you that you have to have all these sports cars and a mansion, smoke cigars and have a yaucht etc to be a man, which I don't give a fuck about any of that.

Or on the other side the weak, woke bullshit that almost all of society is trying to brainwash men into so they can weaken them. And also a ton of so called 'masculinity coaches' coming up with incredibly ridiculous shit.. like.. and I can't make this up if I tried.. "if you wrestle naked with 2 of your male friends, it's only gay if you decide it's gay"  

Or just as ridiculous a workshop I seen advertised called "Crossdressing to explore your masculinity". Completely and utterly 1000% against masculinity, but this is the shit we're dealing with sadly.

It's difficult to find a middle ground, of being genuinely secure, having real self worth as a man, developing genuine strength physically, mentally, emotionally, developing genuine ability to protect yourself but only if it's really needed, going for what you want and not giving a shit what others think even if it goes against what they tell you that you should want and such. Also is the 'fake tough guys' talking about how tough they are, will smash anyone who looks at them funny and such.. which i've known ever since I did security are completely full of shit and usually disappear when shit gets real. Then on the other side "You have to show compassion and love to absolutely everybody, no matter how much they abuse or bully you or treat you, and tolerate everything even things that are completely disgusting and ruining society, plus it's never okay to have to ever fight ever no matter what, just tell them they hurt your feelings and give them a cuddle and they won't try to punch you anymore".

I could make more comparisions, and i'm exaggerating some of it to make a point, but I think you guys know what i'm getting at.

[Shannon]

Primal Masulinity.

Awesome, this one is the first program i've been excited about for a while. I look forward to reading the full description.

I'm partly conflicted about the no healing part, but at this point I have no desire to do any sorely healing focused program again as i'm sick of doing so. Unless it's a program that utilyzes healing as a way to move towards the goals of the program.

But general healing programs, I realized it seems to just be a way for me to stay stuck and have an excuse to stay stuck and it seemed to just go around and around and i'd start a different program then be like "oh shit I need more healing". (This doesn't exclude physical healing, just emotional).

My previous favourite program funnily enough was UH, I guess that it was because it had physical healing too and helped me in a few areas. And my favourite before that was LTU.

I have to say OGSF v2 has been my least favourite in a very long time and there's very little chance i'd go back to it.

You define what "primal masculinity" is.  Then you go after it.  I'm not here to decide that for you.

I wonder how defining this for ourselves when using a program such as this is best done? 

I had a thought a while ago that I was going to mention here or to you but I forgot until now. Would it be valuable to have something in some programs, such as this one where you're defining it for yourself, that you write it down and decide in this example "what is masculinity for me?" "what do I want masculinity to be for me?" or something similar.. and then the program helps take you in that direction. And over time you can also refine it and add to it, and read it regularly so that the program has a direction.

Personally as I think i've said here before, i've struggled to find a program, 'mentor' or whatever who is a good middle ground. It's either Andrew Tate and such telilng you that you have to have all these sports cars and a mansion, smoke cigars and have a yaucht etc to be a man, which I don't give a fuck about any of that.

Or on the other side the weak, woke bullshit that almost all of society is trying to brainwash men into so they can weaken them. And also a ton of so called 'masculinity coaches' coming up with incredibly ridiculous shit.. like.. and I can't make this up if I tried.. "if you wrestle naked with 2 of your male friends, it's only gay if you decide it's gay"  

Or just as ridiculous a workshop I seen advertised called "Crossdressing to explore your masculinity". Completely and utterly 1000% against masculinity, but this is the shit we're dealing with sadly.

It's difficult to find a middle ground, of being genuinely secure, having real self worth as a man, developing genuine strength physically, mentally, emotionally, developing genuine ability to protect yourself but only if it's really needed, going for what you want and not giving a shit what others think even if it goes against what they tell you that you should want and such. Also is the 'fake tough guys' talking about how tough they are, will smash anyone who looks at them funny and such.. which i've known ever since I did security are completely full of shit and usually disappear when shit gets real. Then on the other side "You have to show compassion and love to absolutely everybody, no matter how much they abuse or bully you or treat you, and tolerate everything even things that are completely disgusting and ruining society, plus it's never okay to have to ever fight ever no matter what, just tell them they hurt your feelings and give them a cuddle and they won't try to punch you anymore".

I could make more comparisions, and i'm exaggerating some of it to make a point, but I think you guys know what i'm getting at.

The idea is that your beliefs are what defines what "primal masculinity" is, and this works because your beliefs are what you choose to accept as true.  This means that Primal Masculinity will always work for you because it will always align with your beliefs.  If you wish, you can adjust, update or change your beliefs - but PM will not install them for you.  It uses what beliefs you have, and adjusts to whatever changes you make to your beliefs. 

Because of this, it doesn't matter if you cannot find one person's point of view that you agree with entirely, because you will naturally tend to build your beliefs based on parts and pieces of various different ideas and options that resonate with you personally.  So you might take some things one person says, and some things another person says, and some ideas from this philosophy, and so on.

PM will work with what you believe, and adjust as your beliefs and point of view change, so it is always aligned with what resonates with you.

[Frosted]

Awesome, this one is the first program i've been excited about for a while. I look forward to reading the full description.

I'm partly conflicted about the no healing part, but at this point I have no desire to do any sorely healing focused program again as i'm sick of doing so. Unless it's a program that utilyzes healing as a way to move towards the goals of the program.

But general healing programs, I realized it seems to just be a way for me to stay stuck and have an excuse to stay stuck and it seemed to just go around and around and i'd start a different program then be like "oh shit I need more healing". (This doesn't exclude physical healing, just emotional).

My previous favourite program funnily enough was UH, I guess that it was because it had physical healing too and helped me in a few areas. And my favourite before that was LTU.

I have to say OGSF v2 has been my least favourite in a very long time and there's very little chance i'd go back to it.


I wonder how defining this for ourselves when using a program such as this is best done? 

I had a thought a while ago that I was going to mention here or to you but I forgot until now. Would it be valuable to have something in some programs, such as this one where you're defining it for yourself, that you write it down and decide in this example "what is masculinity for me?" "what do I want masculinity to be for me?" or something similar.. and then the program helps take you in that direction. And over time you can also refine it and add to it, and read it regularly so that the program has a direction.

Personally as I think i've said here before, i've struggled to find a program, 'mentor' or whatever who is a good middle ground. It's either Andrew Tate and such telilng you that you have to have all these sports cars and a mansion, smoke cigars and have a yaucht etc to be a man, which I don't give a fuck about any of that.

Or on the other side the weak, woke bullshit that almost all of society is trying to brainwash men into so they can weaken them. And also a ton of so called 'masculinity coaches' coming up with incredibly ridiculous shit.. like.. and I can't make this up if I tried.. "if you wrestle naked with 2 of your male friends, it's only gay if you decide it's gay"  

Or just as ridiculous a workshop I seen advertised called "Crossdressing to explore your masculinity". Completely and utterly 1000% against masculinity, but this is the shit we're dealing with sadly.

It's difficult to find a middle ground, of being genuinely secure, having real self worth as a man, developing genuine strength physically, mentally, emotionally, developing genuine ability to protect yourself but only if it's really needed, going for what you want and not giving a shit what others think even if it goes against what they tell you that you should want and such. Also is the 'fake tough guys' talking about how tough they are, will smash anyone who looks at them funny and such.. which i've known ever since I did security are completely full of shit and usually disappear when shit gets real. Then on the other side "You have to show compassion and love to absolutely everybody, no matter how much they abuse or bully you or treat you, and tolerate everything even things that are completely disgusting and ruining society, plus it's never okay to have to ever fight ever no matter what, just tell them they hurt your feelings and give them a cuddle and they won't try to punch you anymore".

I could make more comparisions, and i'm exaggerating some of it to make a point, but I think you guys know what i'm getting at.

The idea is that your beliefs are what defines what "primal masculinity" is, and this works because your beliefs are what you choose to accept as true.  This means that Primal Masculinity will always work for you because it will always align with your beliefs.  If you wish, you can adjust, update or change your beliefs - but PM will not install them for you.  It uses what beliefs you have, and adjusts to whatever changes you make to your beliefs. 

Because of this, it doesn't matter if you cannot find one person's point of view that you agree with entirely, because you will naturally tend to build your beliefs based on parts and pieces of various different ideas and options that resonate with you personally.  So you might take some things one person says, and some things another person says, and some ideas from this philosophy, and so on.

PM will work with what you believe, and adjust as your beliefs and point of view change, so it is always aligned with what resonates with you.

Will AM7 be the type of program to help you develop your definition of masculinity or overcome toxic beliefs about masculinity? I’ve noticed my definition of masculinity evolving over time as I develop and would love it if AM7 helped with that process.

[Topaz]

I've read that SM3 is supposed to impact voice and body language, but I think like I'm only starting to experience these effects now at the beginning of Stage 4.

Interestingly, I noticed this after I began playing the ultrasonic track during the day while working, but I’m not entirely sure if that’s what made the difference. It's really puzzling.

Up until now, my experience with SM3 has been pretty uneventful.
I haven’t seen any noticeable results or changes that I can clearly identify. Even when approaching women, my interactions and conversations seem to remain the same as before.


I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this

[AbundanceCH]

I could make more comparisions, and i'm exaggerating some of it to make a point, but I think you guys know what i'm getting at.

I totally get your point and now that Shannon responded to your post and my post I have a lot of doubts about this program and how it would help most guys.

Shannon said we get to define what primal masculinity is...well most guys have grown up with woke BS rammed down their throats all their lives.  They don't know what true masculinity is.  So how is this program going to help them when most guys are too weak and have no idea what masculinity is?

Shannon said this program doesn't install beliefs...but when it comes to masculinity this is the opposite of what guys need. They need new beliefs to cleanse themselves from the woke bs as Benjamin put it..

I think when it comes to an issue such as masculinity we need training wheels.  We need a program to help us become more confident, assertive, decisive, determined, competent, stronger, dominant, courageous, self reliant and countless other traits that a masculine man has. I don't know how having us define what primal masculinity is will help most guys who don't even know the traits of a strong, masculine man.

I hope Shannon replies to this and clarifies once he has a better idea of what the program will do.  I'll give Shannon the benefit of the doubt and hopefully he can clarify. I was excited about this but not so much now.

I don't think the "one size fits all" approach that he is taking is right for this program. This is an issue where men need a training wheels approach unfortunately. This program sounds like the opposite of what Benjamin and I have been advocating it seems.