Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[CatMan]

@Shannon, question about dmsi, iirc the gap of 5.7x gen have big differences starting 5.7.7. If that's the case, what's the generation next dmsi will come out? If it's 5.7.7 does it mean the free update are stopped on the next release?

I'm not dmsi user, though.

5.75.7G is where the big difference came.  With the changes I have in mind for the next time I have a chance to advance the skeleton script that will result in 5.8G. But first I have to build and release UMSv2 Stage 4 in 5.75.7G.

So the next DMSI will probably be 5.8G. It will be the la at free upgrade for anyone who has purchased a previous version.  I may release it as pay only for a month or two before the option for the free upgrade is available, as someone suggested on the forum.

DMSI 3.4 might also be the last version of DMSI. I suspect there may be another release in 6G.

Hi Shannon. Good to see 5.8G is coming soon, great for DMSI. Very encouraging!

Just curious though...what is the purpose to forcing DMSI to be temporarily paid for again? Especially since I assume it'll be vastly more expensive with these new prices you've created. Seems it'll cause a lot of problems with people needlessly, as some will get the program totally for free, others will have to pay $300+ or whatever for it. Seems like it'll cause a lot of anger that isn't productive for unknown reasons.

Probably better to just stick to the "free update until it works" mandate. Seems like a better solution than a portion of users getting the program as agreed upon, and others having to fork over a new inflated price on the sub. Even if the price isn't inflate and is offered as the previous price, it's still going to cause division for questionable rewards.

Just my two cents as a businessman who's been involved in such situations in the past and seen the problems it creates.

All the best, happy to see 5.8G coming soon. That's exciting to see.

[dissonance]

What exactly is the big design element or feature that 6G will have, of which anything before that in the 5G levels will not have?

[4Kingdoms]

If you're having issues with orders or downloads could you email instead of PM. I've mentioned this in several places and still getting some pm's. Pm's disappear after being read (from the main page as a notification) whereas with email I can see them all in one place and just go through them.

Hi Ben,


What is the email address that I can send the message to? I'm having issues with one order - Maximum Learning Speed - I bought it on the 16.08 and still haven't received the audio files and three subs that I bought in the past are missing from my account

Go to the store and click on Contact Us
https://subliminal-shop.com/pages/contact

[NOMAD]

@Shannon, question about dmsi, iirc the gap of 5.7x gen have big differences starting 5.7.7. If that's the case, what's the generation next dmsi will come out? If it's 5.7.7 does it mean the free update are stopped on the next release?

I'm not dmsi user, though.

5.75.7G is where the big difference came.  With the changes I have in mind for the next time I have a chance to advance the skeleton script that will result in 5.8G. But first I have to build and release UMSv2 Stage 4 in 5.75.7G.

So the next DMSI will probably be 5.8G. It will be the la at free upgrade for anyone who has purchased a previous version.  I may release it as pay only for a month or two before the option for the free upgrade is available, as someone suggested on the forum.

DMSI 3.4 might also be the last version of DMSI. I suspect there may be another release in 6G.

Hi Shannon. Good to see 5.8G is coming soon, great for DMSI. Very encouraging!

Just curious though...what is the purpose to forcing DMSI to be temporarily paid for again? Especially since I assume it'll be vastly more expensive with these new prices you've created. Seems it'll cause a lot of problems with people needlessly, as some will get the program totally for free, others will have to pay $300+ or whatever for it. Seems like it'll cause a lot of anger that isn't productive for unknown reasons.

Probably better to just stick to the "free update until it works" mandate. Seems like a better solution than a portion of users getting the program as agreed upon, and others having to fork over a new inflated price on the sub. Even if the price isn't inflate and is offered as the previous price, it's still going to cause division for questionable rewards.

Just my two cents as a businessman who's been involved in such situations in the past and seen the problems it creates.

All the best, happy to see 5.8G coming soon. That's exciting to see.

I think that the intent of the original suggestion (by Broski? maybe?) was a little bit different than what Shannon is proposing.

If I understood correctly, the original suggestion was to release DMSI as a paid version by upgrading the script to 5.75.7G and nothing more. This would provide Shannon with incentive to release it as soon as possible without having to figure out all the tricky scripting like affected side FRM, re-adjusting the aura modulation and targets, etc. Then, when he's able, Shannon would release a fully upgraded version to 5.75.8 with all the bells and whistles (adjustments to the aura modulation, affected-side FRM, etc.) as the free upgrade to fulfill his obligation. In other words, the paid release would be an interim version for anybody that really wants it now.

Shannon said that he intended to work on DMSI in September and I believe him when he says that it's his intent. But he has admitted that he has a track record of being 100% wrong in his projections of what/when something will be worked on/released. I'm not throwing rocks at him. Circumstances can be a bitch sometimes. But realistically speaking, the release of a full upgrade of DMSI could be many months away. I suspect that this is the underlying reason for the suggestion for an immediate paid release.

[NOMAD]

What exactly is the big design element or feature that 6G will have, of which anything before that in the 5G levels will not have?

I imagine that less resistance, faster execution, deeper change, etc. are all things that 6G will bring to the table.

The scripting technology already took a huge leap forward with 5.75.7G. If that's any indication as to the remaining potential of scripting advancements, I think we're in for a ride.

[Asanti]

If you're having issues with orders or downloads could you email instead of PM. I've mentioned this in several places and still getting some pm's. Pm's disappear after being read (from the main page as a notification) whereas with email I can see them all in one place and just go through them.

Hi Ben,


What is the email address that I can send the message to? I'm having issues with one order - Maximum Learning Speed - I bought it on the 16.08 and still haven't received the audio files and three subs that I bought in the past are missing from my account

Go to the store and click on Contact Us
https://subliminal-shop.com/pages/contact

Thank you for help! :-)

[MegaMan]

Just noticed that the glossary did not make it to the new store under https://subliminal-shop.com/glossary

Hope this helps
MM

[dissonance]

What exactly is the big design element or feature that 6G will have, of which anything before that in the 5G levels will not have?

I imagine that less resistance, faster execution, deeper change, etc. are all things that 6G will bring to the table.

The scripting technology already took a huge leap forward with 5.75.7G. If that's any indication as to the remaining potential of scripting advancements, I think we're in for a ride.

What are the elements that were greatly enhanced or added for 5.75.7G? Or do you maybe have a link to a thread/post I can check out?

[Shannon]

@Shannon, question about dmsi, iirc the gap of 5.7x gen have big differences starting 5.7.7. If that's the case, what's the generation next dmsi will come out? If it's 5.7.7 does it mean the free update are stopped on the next release?

I'm not dmsi user, though.

5.75.7G is where the big difference came.  With the changes I have in mind for the next time I have a chance to advance the skeleton script that will result in 5.8G. But first I have to build and release UMSv2 Stage 4 in 5.75.7G.

So the next DMSI will probably be 5.8G. It will be the la at free upgrade for anyone who has purchased a previous version.  I may release it as pay only for a month or two before the option for the free upgrade is available, as someone suggested on the forum.

DMSI 3.4 might also be the last version of DMSI. I suspect there may be another release in 6G.

Hi Shannon. Good to see 5.8G is coming soon, great for DMSI. Very encouraging!

Just curious though...what is the purpose to forcing DMSI to be temporarily paid for again? Especially since I assume it'll be vastly more expensive with these new prices you've created. Seems it'll cause a lot of problems with people needlessly, as some will get the program totally for free, others will have to pay $300+ or whatever for it. Seems like it'll cause a lot of anger that isn't productive for unknown reasons.

Probably better to just stick to the "free update until it works" mandate. Seems like a better solution than a portion of users getting the program as agreed upon, and others having to fork over a new inflated price on the sub. Even if the price isn't inflate and is offered as the previous price, it's still going to cause division for questionable rewards.

Just my two cents as a businessman who's been involved in such situations in the past and seen the problems it creates.

All the best, happy to see 5.8G coming soon. That's exciting to see.

The idea that was suggested to me was that I release it as paid only for a month or two, and then allow for a free update.  It was in response to a post you made, I believe, about trying to find ways to incentivize working on it faster.  I have not decided to do that or not, but it is an option under consideration.

"Free upgrades until it works" ends with 3.4.  I think this will be something like the 12th to 17th version.  If I had the free time to work on DMSI this might be a different matter, but at this point these programs are so complex and so difficult and time consuming to build that DMSI is never going to get priority until I don't have to constantly chase making enough money each month to keep the ship afloat.  Subscriptions will help with that, but who knows how long it will take to generate enough monthly income through sales and subscriptions that I am free to work on what I want to work on, instead of whatever makes money at the moment.  So as I stated before, 3.4 will be a free upgrade for everyone who has purchased a previous version, but everything after 3.4 will not be free.  If there is anything after 3.4.

On top of that, I know how potentially lucrative this program is when I get it right, and how important it is to you personally, but there are significantly more important things that I could be spending my time developing.  Things like a version of MIR that can prevent or end a serious, life threatening infection.  Something that can finally heal my lungs and allow me to spend less than 30-60 minutes each night coughing up phlegm before I can sleep.  Something that helps insomniacs fall asleep.  Work on 6G.  And things that I will be able to make myself a millionaire selling, that won't take potentially years more development of the script to get to that point.  Like a weight loss program that fulfills the design parameters I have set up and been waiting 3 years to build now.

My best estimate is that 3.4 will work well, and when 6G comes out I make a Version 4.0, and that will be paid and probably is the end of the line when it comes to development of DMSI.

[Shannon]

What exactly is the big design element or feature that 6G will have, of which anything before that in the 5G levels will not have?

Nobody knows yet.  I haven't finished developing 6G.  But the way we are developing it in steps, it will be a huge step up from 5G to 6G, but it may be a small or moderate step up from 5.9.xG to 6G.  The goal of 6G is to push development as far as humanly possible at this time so I don't have to spend time rebuilding my entire library of subs every time I turn around.

[Shannon]

@Shannon, question about dmsi, iirc the gap of 5.7x gen have big differences starting 5.7.7. If that's the case, what's the generation next dmsi will come out? If it's 5.7.7 does it mean the free update are stopped on the next release?

I'm not dmsi user, though.

5.75.7G is where the big difference came.  With the changes I have in mind for the next time I have a chance to advance the skeleton script that will result in 5.8G. But first I have to build and release UMSv2 Stage 4 in 5.75.7G.

So the next DMSI will probably be 5.8G. It will be the la at free upgrade for anyone who has purchased a previous version.  I may release it as pay only for a month or two before the option for the free upgrade is available, as someone suggested on the forum.

DMSI 3.4 might also be the last version of DMSI. I suspect there may be another release in 6G.

Hi Shannon. Good to see 5.8G is coming soon, great for DMSI. Very encouraging!

Just curious though...what is the purpose to forcing DMSI to be temporarily paid for again? Especially since I assume it'll be vastly more expensive with these new prices you've created. Seems it'll cause a lot of problems with people needlessly, as some will get the program totally for free, others will have to pay $300+ or whatever for it. Seems like it'll cause a lot of anger that isn't productive for unknown reasons.

Probably better to just stick to the "free update until it works" mandate. Seems like a better solution than a portion of users getting the program as agreed upon, and others having to fork over a new inflated price on the sub. Even if the price isn't inflate and is offered as the previous price, it's still going to cause division for questionable rewards.

Just my two cents as a businessman who's been involved in such situations in the past and seen the problems it creates.

All the best, happy to see 5.8G coming soon. That's exciting to see.

I think that the intent of the original suggestion (by Broski? maybe?) was a little bit different than what Shannon is proposing.

If I understood correctly, the original suggestion was to release DMSI as a paid version by upgrading the script to 5.75.7G and nothing more. This would provide Shannon with incentive to release it as soon as possible without having to figure out all the tricky scripting like affected side FRM, re-adjusting the aura modulation and targets, etc. Then, when he's able, Shannon would release a fully upgraded version to 5.75.8 with all the bells and whistles (adjustments to the aura modulation, affected-side FRM, etc.) as the free upgrade to fulfill his obligation. In other words, the paid release would be an interim version for anybody that really wants it now.

Shannon said that he intended to work on DMSI in September and I believe him when he says that it's his intent. But he has admitted that he has a track record of being 100% wrong in his projections of what/when something will be worked on/released. I'm not throwing rocks at him. Circumstances can be a bitch sometimes. But realistically speaking, the release of a full upgrade of DMSI could be many months away. I suspect that this is the underlying reason for the suggestion for an immediate paid release.

I can't build a 5.75.7G version of DMSI and nothing more, because nobody would have that.  They want the bells and whistles I haven't developed yet.  And I am ot building DMSI more than once more as a free upgrade.

[Shannon]

What exactly is the big design element or feature that 6G will have, of which anything before that in the 5G levels will not have?

I imagine that less resistance, faster execution, deeper change, etc. are all things that 6G will bring to the table.

The scripting technology already took a huge leap forward with 5.75.7G. If that's any indication as to the remaining potential of scripting advancements, I think we're in for a ride.

I don't know how much more advanced 6G will be than 5.75.7G, but I know it will be more advanced still.  There's a lot of optimizations and additions left to mine from Beast 18.

[Shannon]

What exactly is the big design element or feature that 6G will have, of which anything before that in the 5G levels will not have?

I imagine that less resistance, faster execution, deeper change, etc. are all things that 6G will bring to the table.

The scripting technology already took a huge leap forward with 5.75.7G. If that's any indication as to the remaining potential of scripting advancements, I think we're in for a ride.

What are the elements that were greatly enhanced or added for 5.75.7G? Or do you maybe have a link to a thread/post I can check out?

The effect of the step from 5.75.6G to 5.75.7G is that .7G is hugely more fast acting, powerful, effective and successful.  The specifics of how and why that is the case are, of course, classified.

[CatMan]

@Shannon, question about dmsi, iirc the gap of 5.7x gen have big differences starting 5.7.7. If that's the case, what's the generation next dmsi will come out? If it's 5.7.7 does it mean the free update are stopped on the next release?

I'm not dmsi user, though.

5.75.7G is where the big difference came.  With the changes I have in mind for the next time I have a chance to advance the skeleton script that will result in 5.8G. But first I have to build and release UMSv2 Stage 4 in 5.75.7G.

So the next DMSI will probably be 5.8G. It will be the la at free upgrade for anyone who has purchased a previous version.  I may release it as pay only for a month or two before the option for the free upgrade is available, as someone suggested on the forum.

DMSI 3.4 might also be the last version of DMSI. I suspect there may be another release in 6G.

Hi Shannon. Good to see 5.8G is coming soon, great for DMSI. Very encouraging!

Just curious though...what is the purpose to forcing DMSI to be temporarily paid for again? Especially since I assume it'll be vastly more expensive with these new prices you've created. Seems it'll cause a lot of problems with people needlessly, as some will get the program totally for free, others will have to pay $300+ or whatever for it. Seems like it'll cause a lot of anger that isn't productive for unknown reasons.

Probably better to just stick to the "free update until it works" mandate. Seems like a better solution than a portion of users getting the program as agreed upon, and others having to fork over a new inflated price on the sub. Even if the price isn't inflate and is offered as the previous price, it's still going to cause division for questionable rewards.

Just my two cents as a businessman who's been involved in such situations in the past and seen the problems it creates.

All the best, happy to see 5.8G coming soon. That's exciting to see.

The idea that was suggested to me was that I release it as paid only for a month or two, and then allow for a free update.  It was in response to a post you made, I believe, about trying to find ways to incentivize working on it faster.  I have not decided to do that or not, but it is an option under consideration.

"Free upgrades until it works" ends with 3.4.  I think this will be something like the 12th to 17th version.  If I had the free time to work on DMSI this might be a different matter, but at this point these programs are so complex and so difficult and time consuming to build that DMSI is never going to get priority until I don't have to constantly chase making enough money each month to keep the ship afloat.  Subscriptions will help with that, but who knows how long it will take to generate enough monthly income through sales and subscriptions that I am free to work on what I want to work on, instead of whatever makes money at the moment.  So as I stated before, 3.4 will be a free upgrade for everyone who has purchased a previous version, but everything after 3.4 will not be free.  If there is anything after 3.4.

On top of that, I know how potentially lucrative this program is when I get it right, and how important it is to you personally, but there are significantly more important things that I could be spending my time developing.  Things like a version of MIR that can prevent or end a serious, life threatening infection.  Something that can finally heal my lungs and allow me to spend less than 30-60 minutes each night coughing up phlegm before I can sleep.  Something that helps insomniacs fall asleep.  Work on 6G.  And things that I will be able to make myself a millionaire selling, that won't take potentially years more development of the script to get to that point.  Like a weight loss program that fulfills the design parameters I have set up and been waiting 3 years to build now.

My best estimate is that 3.4 will work well, and when 6G comes out I make a Version 4.0, and that will be paid and probably is the end of the line when it comes to development of DMSI.

Thanks I understand the idea now. I see.

Yeah the 3.4 version will be the last free update, no problem. Who knows at this point if an upgraded version afterwards will need to exist, that's right. I suppose regardless, a 6G version will still sell very well indeed, I'd still buy it regardless of how 3.4 goes. I'm sure I'm not in the minority there. It may be hard to get data on 3.4's performance in the short-term, for obvious reasons in the world. It's potency should still show through after awhile.

Also, believe me Shannon, I understand your sentiment about wanting to work on other things you believe more important in general. I hear you 100%. There's another program that is even more important to me after all. I can't even describe the feeling I have about it.

At least DMSI is helping make 6G a reality for you, which was half of it's goal to begin with. So it's still been vital to the future of IML.

Excited for the future. In more ways than one. Looking forward to seeing 3.4 take shape at last once Stage 4 is done of course.