Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Zane]

@Shannon It’s been idk how many years but I have Bering waiting for “Nofap and Noporn and ED Subliminal STMA is the name you gave it to it ….Catman has a own thread about a about it or …..please create it my friend I have been waiting for that sub since 2013…Please help bro

[Benjamin]

One thing I forgot. I once had a moment on AM6 where some clarity was shining through, I was completely aware and in the moment, like distant from past and future, only the moment exists, everything is going a little bit slower. I compare it with the matrix movies when Neo either was escaping bullets or was the first time seeing it in code. Of course that is not an exact metaphor for what I was experiencing, but it was a strange clarity I was feeling and only lasted for a short amount of time.

Why am I telling this? Yesterday I also had "that same clarity" and remembering that I have felt that before. I also read from others that OF is kind of like preparing or making AM shine through. Yes I became more bold in thoughts and actions. I was completely aware of my actions/non-actions and the results/non-results. I became aware of my decisions and lack thereof. It was also as if my past "comfort zone" was taken away, like my ships were burnt after I arrived at a new island and the only way is forward. So the feeling is like "even if you don't feel comfortable yet, there is no way going back, it was a fake comfort zone, welcome to your new reality".
With AM these moments have pushed me sometimes into depressive thoughts (I would not go as far as calling it depression), I hated the state I was in and didn't want to see it. Now I'm in a different place, there is still stuff I don't like but I have (and feel!) the strength inside me to change what I don't like, to confront myself with reality and to go into a new reality.

Edit: I dont't want to spam Shannon's journal discussion, just wanted to report some experiences and hear from Shannon if it is an "expected result" from OF or just some lucky coincidence.

Very cool, love it!

[Shannon]

Shannon what’s your definition of masterpiece in regards to subliminal? And what do you think a master piece would be in regards to music? (You don’t have to answer the second question if your too busy or think it’s not relevant, I’m being a little selfish by asking but I respect your input and knowledge and can use it for my benefit.

Let's just define a "masterpiece", because the word's definition will apply to anything you use it to describe.  My definition is a work that requires a master of that craft to create, which is either (flawless or very close to it) or (which incorporates imperfections for the purpose of using those imperfections to break the normal rules of creation in a way that in some way makes for a better end result), and which fully accomplishes the goals that the creator set out to achieve by creating it. 

Also a friendly reminder to work on NSLW as well and to take your time if needed but please don’t let me down, My future success and chance of success is highly dependent on that program , as well as my own hard work and consistency and dedication. I’m been improving tremendously over the last year and I feel like I’m getting very close to that level of professionalism and creative quality that would allow me to get allot of fans and become a well known artist. My singing is way better then before and I think overcome fear may have something to do with it however I still believe it’s TID because my level of creativity  & flow in my freestyles is WAY better then before.

If you or anyone here is interested in checking out where I’m at with my freestyle ability now, here is a Work in progress (not studio quality) that I recorded with my iPhone (never went to studio with this yet), the song is about romance love and sex (women) https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/iMvGXAWNsVhVa3Tt5

If you don't want to listen to the song, this is one of the lines I really like. This came out in a freestyle and I had not pre planned or had these words/thoughts in my head prior. It came out spontaneously. I created it literally in the moment, I love freestyling for that reason, beautiful things can happen"

"I've left behind, all the demons in my mind, but they keep, sneaking back, tryna creep, tryna cheat, on the angel that I got on my shoulder
I ain't tryna go back, to my old ways , that's what I, told her. <> I be dancin with I'm kissin her lips, kissin her lips she's getting frisky
I'm lovin the way that she tastes and the, way  that shes movin her hips" (it sounds better when you hear it, because the flow is a little difficult to read if you havent heard the song)

My good man, I want you to remember that no matter what, you already have all that you need to become great and succeed mightily.  You don't need my help.  What you do need is to believe in yourself regardless of what anyone else says or does, and have the courage to face criticism with humility.  Use it to become better than you are.  And remember that most people will not be brutally honest with you.  Understand that perfection is a goal and a journey, one that is worth seeking and undertaking not because you can achieve it, but because you can't.  There is always something more to improve and grow, and that process is a joy all of it's own.

I can help you, make it easier for you, make it faster... but you don't need me.  I appreciate you letting me help you though.  And worry not, I have been working on it.

One thing, though.  Your written lyrics have reference to a certain name that breaks rule 4.  If you could correct that I'd appreciate it.

When it comes down to it, you have to be your cheerleader, your believer, your biggest fan and helping hand.  Nobody will believe in you until you do, until you show them why they should.  Never rely on anyone or anything outside yourself to enable or give you your success, because that's how you artificially and unnecessarily limit yourself and your potential and success.  If it's within you, it's not because I put it there.  Never forget that, because there will be times when nobody else believes in you - or it will feel like that.  Focus, determination, perseverance and refusal to stop trying and improving... that is what you need.  I can only help.

[Shannon]

@Shannon  It’s been idk how many years but I have Bering waiting for “Nofap and Noporn and ED Subliminal STMA is the name you gave it to it ….Catman has a own thread about a about it or …..please create it my friend I have been waiting for that sub since 2013…Please help bro

When I am looking for what to create besides UMS v2 stage x, remind me and I'll run these through the models.

[Jake2015]

@Shannon i was wondering :

1) with DMSI, is the goal (im somtimes confused with the goals and subgoals) that "ANY" female that we desire will become attracted to us to want to initiate sex? Any that we desire?

2) However what about attracting any female that we may not desire as such but would stil want attraction from, as in can it be focused on any female we want even if its just a female we want to fuck once for the hell of it? Hope that made sense lol

2b) what about attracting females or female for more than just sex but a loving relationship too?

3) Finally the reasons for asking the above is that I recall back when I was 18 at university where there was this 1 guy. He in my opinion was nothing to look at so maybe a 5 or 6/10 perhaps (maybe the girls liked him more though or he had a big cock I dunno) however whenever he got drunk he was able to attract girls left right and centre and he slept his way around the campus. Now he left many broken hearts but this guy at the age of 18-20 was a fucking legend! the question is that can DMSI work to such a degree that we are able to see a girl and think "ok dmsi I want her to desire me" and it happens?

Im asking what every heterosexual male here is thinking im sure so if this is OF 3 giving me Alphaness bring it on! haha

[Shannon]

@Shannon i was wondering :

1) with DMSI, is the goal (im somtimes confused with the goals and subgoals) that "ANY" female that we desire will become attracted to us to want to initiate sex? Any that we desire?

The goal for v3.3.3 is to trigger attraction according to your level of attraction to that person.  The goal of v3.4 will bea little more limited in scope.

2) However what about attracting any female that we may not desire as such but would stil want attraction from, as in can it be focused on any female we want even if its just a female we want to fuck once for the hell of it? Hope that made sense lol

It goes by your attraction levels.

2b) what about attracting females or female for more than just sex but a loving relationship too?

It's called Develop Maximum Sexual Irresistibility. You can answer that yourself.

3) Finally the reasons for asking the above is that I recall back when I was 18 at university where there was this 1 guy. He in my opinion was nothing to look at so maybe a 5 or 6/10 perhaps (maybe the girls liked him more though or he had a big cock I dunno) however whenever he got drunk he was able to attract girls left right and centre and he slept his way around the campus. Now he left many broken hearts but this guy at the age of 18-20 was a fucking legend! the question is that can DMSI work to such a degree that we are able to see a girl and think "ok dmsi I want her to desire me" and  it happens?

Im asking what every heterosexual male here is thinking im sure so if this is OF 3 giving me Alphaness bring it on! haha

DMSI works by creating an aura of sexual irresistibility, and it magnifies and focuses that energy according to how much you are sexually attracted to the other person.  If you're sufficiently attracted, it won't be necessary.  If you're not, it won't matter.  DMSI doesn't work that way.

[KingDavid93]

@Shannon

So is DMSI 3.3.3 being made next or V 3.4?

And in what sense will it be limited in scope?

Will the next version be the final one made at no additional cost or is it the 2nd to last?

[Shannon]

@Shannon

So is DMSI 3.3.3 being made next or V 3.4?

And in what sense will it be limited in scope?

Will the next version be the final one made at no additional cost or is it the 2nd to last?

You can buy and use v3.3.3 right now.  The next version will be 3.4.

The previous versions are attempting to affect every person you can see who you are attracted to according to how attracted you are to them.  3.4 will limit how many such people can be affected at a time in order to boost the signal on those who are being affected.

3.4 is very likely to be the final free upgrade.

[RTBoss]

@Shannon

So is DMSI 3.3.3 being made next or V 3.4?

And in what sense will it be limited in scope?

Will the next version be the final one made at no additional cost or is it the 2nd to last?

You can buy and use v3.3.3 right now.  The next version will be 3.4.

The previous versions are attempting to affect every person you can see who you are attracted to according to how attracted you are to them.  3.4 will limit how many such people can be affected at a time in order to boost the signal on those who are being affected.

3.4 is very likely to be the final free upgrade.

I think Shannon meant 3.3.2 (as that is, indeed, the latest generation being offered in the store).  Keeping track of every little version off the top of your head, with so much else going on, is a big task.  Anyway, I'm sure this will be confirmed within a day (of this post), but the current version is 3.3.2 - and the next version will be a gigantic leap (considering how far the tech has progressed, recently).  That leap denotes the 3.4 (dare I say, 4.0 potential     ) - the last of the free upgrades.  Those of us who've been on the DMSI ride since the beginning have had a generous ride.  So generous, in fact, I have had no issue happily purchasing program after program, whether I have/will use(d) it or not.  He (@Shannon) did not, I reckon, realize just how generous he was being at the time of the offer so many years ago...Or he did, and did it anyway.

[Shannon]

Indeed. 3.3.2. I was originally going to make 3.3.3, but we have had too much change since to call this a minor upgrade. Thus, 3.4.

I had no idea how challenging it would be to achieve this goal when I made that decision. Otherwise I'd have given a specific number of free upgrades.

[Catman]

Indeed. 3.3.2. I was originally going to make 3.3.3, but we have had too much change since to call this a minor upgrade. Thus, 3.4.

I had no idea how challenging it would be to achieve this goal when I made that decision. Otherwise I'd have given a specific number of free upgrades.

Just to add some context here:

-To be fair, DMSI/AOSI/DAOSI pushed 6G technology to creation, which was a primary motivator of it's creation, along side actually working as a sub, of course. So that's a big benefit to it's continued advance.

-You've sold a lot of programs along the way, monetising said technology.

-It's been in creation for 5 years now, in June. With extremely large gaps in time in between versions, while people try to patiently wait for the program they paid for upwards of 5 years ago. I can't think of many customers who'd pay for something, wait 5 years to get it working, continue to support said business with a smile on their face in the mean time with a lot of doubt and worry and a great deal of delay around said product. All while being told they should be grateful and how it's a hardship to deliver on said thing. So, we're doing our part and then some I'd say. Hopefully, someday it will be a fully working program. I really deeply wish it is made and can work at last.

-I campaigned twice for paid updates for the sub, to get movement going on the sub when there's been stagnation on it, so there's been offers there to monetise it. You didn't want to take it because of lack of technology at the time you said, but the offer's been there to not make it "working for free". Even though it isn't "working for free", because we've already paid for it, in many cases multiple years ago now, and the sub still doesn't work yet. And again, it's helped develop technology that's been used in countless paid programs for more money as well. But, we've had that argument a few times already, lmao.

-So, it's taken forever. But it's given you a lot of benefits along the way, helping to pave the way for the future of products for IML with 6G technology as it was envisioned to do. I hope we get a fully working DMSI in line with it's design goal and not watered down at all to make it "work" someday. I've backed the program from day one. I am a firm supporter of it, and deeply hope it will be made at last to fulfill it's design goal that was theorised 5 years ago.

It can completely change my life. There's only 1 product that can do more for me possibly, but that's a ways off it seems for now anyway. So that one is for another time. I think it's clear to you though, I spoke of it in the past.

Didn't mean to appear triggered LOL, I am not starting any argument, it's just that any perceived marginalising of DMSI or the history behind it brings this out. Because I know and respect the power it has to transform lives, if it works someday. If I didn't deeply care about the program, then I wouldn't bother. So it comes from a good place, haha . It's why I supported DMSI (then AOSI)...and you...from day one for it. I deeply look forward to the day we have a fully working DMSI/AOSI.

All the best. So glad for you, but not surprised at all, that OF V3 is a hot seller. Kudos, Shannon!

[AriGold]

About OF V3: I won't do a journal here, I didn't think there is anything to report before the 3 month mark and even if it is, it might be too "normalized" and I wouldn't see it. But on day 5 I already saw myself changing behavior and acting more quickly. I'm not sure if it is a one time only or something like that but I was positively surprised to see that. Thumbs up for that!
On the website it is a little strangely written in the beginning note with "If you have purchased a copy of Overcoming Fear Version 2, buying this version of the program before you have used Version 1 for at least 8 months straight" doesn't make sense. It talks about a bought version 2 and the usage of version 1 which isn't necessarily possible. I think you meant 2.

About UMS2: Is it going to be a 4-stage-set or a 3-stage-set? Since the 6-stagers also have a refresher stage (7) and are not called 7-stage-sets, what makes UMS2 a 4-stage-set? How will stage 4 be different to a stage 7 from AM/WM/SM?

Thanks for pointing that out.  I'll change it in a bit.

UMS v2 will be a 3+1 stage set.  Stage 4 will be "the whole script", but it may have one piece missing from Stages 1, 2 and 3 depending on what the models tell me.  That piece is the FRM.  It may be that we do better to leave it out of Stage 4, so that we can use stages 1-2-3 again and again until we don't need it, and then use Stage 4 without it.  If that is the case, Stage 4 will be everything but FRM.  If not, it will be everything in stages 1-2-3.

"6 stagers" are properly called 6+1 stage sets, because the last "stage" is really the goal of the first six.  It's the goal and the refresher, with the stages being steps to that goal.  Thus, it's technically not a stage.  And, we don't charge for the goal/refresher "stage" if you buy the whole set at once.

Stage 1 will primarily deal with clearing garbage beliefs and fear, and setting a basic foundation.  Stage 2 will continue removing fear and garbage beliefs and build on that foundation.  Stage 3 will only have fear removal, and not be trying to remove garbage thoughts.  It will build further on the Stage 2 foundation and give you "the rest of what you need".  As I said before, Stage 4 will be everything in Stages 1-2-3, with the possible exception of FRM.

Smart move.
If UMS2 is not giving big results yet and you feel something is holding you back, run the stages 1-3 again and again. When you feel the brakes are released and you are gaining momentum you can continue with stage 4 to go into overdrive. I like that concept, but I recommend that it is made clear in the instructions when to switch to stage 4 because I know a lot of users will switch to it too early (FOMO/YOLO).

I wish you success with building it, in my opinion you don't have to rush, I'm booked until November with OF V3...

[Qiel]

About OF V3: I won't do a journal here, I didn't think there is anything to report before the 3 month mark and even if it is, it might be too "normalized" and I wouldn't see it. But on day 5 I already saw myself changing behavior and acting more quickly. I'm not sure if it is a one time only or something like that but I was positively surprised to see that. Thumbs up for that!
On the website it is a little strangely written in the beginning note with "If you have purchased a copy of Overcoming Fear Version 2, buying this version of the program before you have used Version 1 for at least 8 months straight" doesn't make sense. It talks about a bought version 2 and the usage of version 1 which isn't necessarily possible. I think you meant 2.

About UMS2: Is it going to be a 4-stage-set or a 3-stage-set? Since the 6-stagers also have a refresher stage (7) and are not called 7-stage-sets, what makes UMS2 a 4-stage-set? How will stage 4 be different to a stage 7 from AM/WM/SM?

Thanks for pointing that out.  I'll change it in a bit.

UMS v2 will be a 3+1 stage set.  Stage 4 will be "the whole script", but it may have one piece missing from Stages 1, 2 and 3 depending on what the models tell me.  That piece is the FRM.  It may be that we do better to leave it out of Stage 4, so that we can use stages 1-2-3 again and again until we don't need it, and then use Stage 4 without it.  If that is the case, Stage 4 will be everything but FRM.  If not, it will be everything in stages 1-2-3.

"6 stagers" are properly called 6+1 stage sets, because the last "stage" is really the goal of the first six.  It's the goal and the refresher, with the stages being steps to that goal.  Thus, it's technically not a stage.  And, we don't charge for the goal/refresher "stage" if you buy the whole set at once.

Stage 1 will primarily deal with clearing garbage beliefs and fear, and setting a basic foundation.  Stage 2 will continue removing fear and garbage beliefs and build on that foundation.  Stage 3 will only have fear removal, and not be trying to remove garbage thoughts.  It will build further on the Stage 2 foundation and give you "the rest of what you need".  As I said before, Stage 4 will be everything in Stages 1-2-3, with the possible exception of FRM.

Why first stage is always about garbage removal? For example what about people who already run AM twice,  or OF 6 month, or EPRHA 6 month, are the garbage removal process still necessary for staged 5.75.7G? Why not aim for the big guns right from the beginning, like manifestation beam that shot random luckiness and abundance there and there? In the end it's up to you, just curious. Thank you very much.

[Shannon]

Indeed.  3.3.2.  I was originally going to make 3.3.3, but we have had too much change since to call this a minor upgrade.  Thus, 3.4.

I had no idea how challenging it would be to achieve this goal when I made that decision.  Otherwise I'd have given a specific number of free upgrades.

Just to add some context here:

-To be fair, DMSI/AOSI/DAOSI pushed 6G technology to creation, which was a primary motivator of it's creation, along side actually working as a sub, of course. So that's a big benefit to it's continued advance.

-You've sold a lot of programs along the way, monetising said technology.

-It's been in creation for 5 years now, in June. With extremely large gaps in time in between versions, while people try to patiently wait for the program they paid for upwards of 5 years ago. I can't think of many customers who'd pay for something, wait 5 years to get it working, continue to support said business with a smile on their face in the mean time with a lot of doubt and worry and a great deal of delay around said product. All while being told they should be grateful and how it's a hardship to deliver on said thing. So, we're doing our part and then some I'd say. Hopefully, someday it will be a fully working program. I really deeply wish it is made and can work at last.

-I campaigned twice for paid updates for the sub, to get movement going on the sub when there's been stagnation on it, so there's been offers there to monetise it. You didn't want to take it because of lack of technology at the time you said, but the offer's been there to not make it "working for free". Even though it isn't "working for free", because we've already paid for it, in many cases multiple years ago now, and the sub still doesn't work yet. And again, it's helped develop technology that's been used in countless paid programs for more money as well. But, we've had that argument a few times already, lmao.

-So, it's taken forever. But it's given you a lot of benefits along the way, helping to pave the way for the future of products for IML with 6G technology as it was envisioned to do. I hope we get a fully working DMSI in line with it's design goal and not watered down at all to make it "work" someday. I've backed the program from day one. I am a firm supporter of it, and deeply hope it will be made at last to fulfill it's design goal that was theorised 5 years ago.

It can completely change my life. There's only 1 product that can do more for me possibly, but that's a ways off it seems for now anyway. So that one is for another time. I think it's clear to you though, I spoke of it in the past.

Didn't mean to appear triggered LOL, I am not starting any argument, it's just that any perceived marginalising of DMSI or the history behind it brings this out. Because I know and respect the power it has to transform lives, if it works someday. If I didn't deeply care about the program, then I wouldn't bother. So it comes from a good place, haha . It's why I supported DMSI (then AOSI)...and you...from day one for it. I deeply look forward to the day we have a fully working DMSI/AOSI.

All the best. So glad for you, but not surprised at all, that OF V3 is a hot seller. Kudos, Shannon!

When I publish v3.4, it will be the best I can make at that time, because quite frankly, I don't want to build it again.  I tried so hard for so long that I am well and truly burned out on it.  I want to be done with it and not have that obligation - which I took on voluntarily - over my head anymore.  I don't want to spend more time on it.  In the last several years I have gotten stuck in an endless loop of rebuilding the same thing over and ove as the technology developedr.  In the case of DMSI and a couple others, that was to make it do what it was designed to do.  But it gets old.  I'm tired of it.  And now that I have what I believe to be a game plan that will work and the technology that will enable it, I'm going to build 3.4 and be done with it.  

This whole thing has taught me a lot.  Including, don't assume things, set definite limits.  At this point, we will achieve 6G regardless of what happens with DMSI.  The main reason I stopped working on it was that without building the proper keystone, nothing else would matter.  And that keystone was fear removal.  Which I have spent the last 3 years working on specifically, focusing on that instead of DMSI.  Now that we have FRM 5.0 along with 5.75.7G, I am confident that we have what we need to make DMSI work.  Regardless, 3.4 has to be the end of the road on free upgrade because I quite simply can't build subs fast enough to do that sort of thing anymore.  Time is money and money pays the bills.

Every time I have built DMSI it has been to the absolute best of my ability and knowledge at that time.  I don't ever try to build it less than 100% so I can get people to buy it again.  If there is a 4.x in the future, it will have to mean that something has advanced enough beyond 3.4 to make it worth the effort to rebuild.  If 3.4 works as designed and intended, giving it to all you guys who already bought a copy isn't going to lose me money, because I can raise the price and advertise it more and have millions or even billions of other customers for it.  Right now I only have thousands of customers.  

So between 5.75.7G, FRM 5.0 and the outward facing FRM, the upgrade of the skeleton script, the addition of DRM, plus the adjustment of the goal focus, the optimizing of the energy usage and the limitation of sniping to the best options instead of everyone, I think we're going to be pretty much done.  And thank goodness for that.