Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Raz]

I am shedding tons of body armor (in the sense of Wilhelm Reich) through extensive body work.

Hi @Raz, that's interesting, I'm trying to do the same via meditation, visualization, foam rolling and tense/releasing. Have you come across any techniques or books you would recommend that focus on this? Thanks man.

Hey ichigo, I have no book recommendations on this topic.

But maybe you can get anything out of this post I made while I was on LTU. I haven't really changed anything since then, just added hundreds of hours of self-exploration. I realized early on that breathing is important to ground and relax you when things get intense.

Don't get stuck with any school of thought. Just explore your body. And even though it is complex, with time you will perfectly understand how all your strings are connected. Well, maybe I have a recommendation after all: anatomy illustrations. They will help you a lot.

[Shannon]

By the way, Raz, I thought of something last night.  I'm pretty sure I remember you're the one who said recently that they are using OF 24/7, IIRC.  I don't recommend that.  It gives no time for pure execution, and it will degrade whatever results you get because of that.  You need time to unpack, process, store and execute.

[Raz]

You certainly understand your programs best, Shannon. I realize that it is unwise to stray from the instructions and in time, I am sure, I will come around. But for a little while longer I will indulge my craving to use OF this* way

Thank you for your always tireless concern though.

*6 loops per day, every day

[Wiseg9999]

Shannon, when you say things like use volume 14/16 - does this relate to mobile phone speakers? what about connected to other speakers with amplification and volume?

for example, i have an android at 14/16 connected to power speakers using ultra sonic MIR 5.75
i would say its quite "loud", when i test it with hybrid for example for calibration.
when i sleep, Frequensee is showing -50db at my ears, which is about 3m from the speakers.

Are these the right settings? will these setting apply for other subs like OF 5.75?

[Shannon]

You certainly understand your programs best, Shannon. I realize that it is unwise to stray from the instructions and in time, I am sure, I will come around. But for a little while longer I will indulge my craving to use OF this* way

Thank you for your always tireless concern though.

*6 loops per day, every day

Ah, I misunderstood you then.  I thought you were using it 24/7!  6 loops a day, every day, is a LOT better than 24/7.  That's what had me worried.  Well, you just do your thing then.  There's time to unpack, process, store and execute that way, although I'm curious how long you'll be able to keep it up.

[Shannon]

Shannon, when you say things like use volume 14/16 - does this relate to mobile phone speakers? what about connected to other speakers with amplification and volume?

for example, i have an android at 14/16 connected to power speakers using ultra sonic MIR 5.75
i would say its quite "loud", when i test it with hybrid for example for calibration.
when i sleep, Frequensee is showing -50db at my ears, which is about 3m from the speakers.

Are these the right settings? will these setting apply for other subs like OF 5.75?

When I say 13/15 I mean "playing from the onboard speaker of an Android phone.  14/16 on iPhone, or 26/30 on a Google phone (I think it was Google phone) is the equivalent.  Whatever the volume is at the speaker, that is the volume you want to use on whatever other player/external speakers if possible.  The exception is headphones or earbuds.  I don't use those, so I haven't figured out the optimal volume for them.  But it would be way too loud on headphones or earbuds at 13/15 I suspect, and you shouldn't use ultrasonic on them anyway.

It doesn't matter what the volume is at your ear, because volume falls off at the square of the distance from the source, and your ear moves around.  You need to match it at the source.

[NOMAD]

Shannon, when you say things like use volume 14/16 - does this relate to mobile phone speakers? what about connected to other speakers with amplification and volume?

for example, i have an android at 14/16 connected to power speakers using ultra sonic MIR 5.75
i would say its quite "loud", when i test it with hybrid for example for calibration.
when i sleep, Frequensee is showing -50db at my ears, which is about 3m from the speakers.

Are these the right settings? will these setting apply for other subs like OF 5.75?

When I say 13/15 I mean "playing from the onboard speaker of an Android phone.  14/16 on iPhone, or 26/30 on a Google phone (I think it was Google phone) is the equivalent.  Whatever the volume is at the speaker, that is the volume you want to use on whatever other player/external speakers if possible.  The exception is headphones or earbuds.  I don't use those, so I haven't figured out the optimal volume for them.  But it would be way too loud on headphones or earbuds at 13/15 I suspect, and you shouldn't use ultrasonic on them anyway.

It doesn't matter what the volume is at your ear, because volume falls off at the square of the distance from the source, and your ear moves around.  You need to match it at the source.

I use earbuds on an Android phone and set the volume of 10-11/15 (whatever is most comfortable.) Maybe try starting at that level. 

 I use the hybrid Triclikng Stream .flac format.

[Shannon]

Shannon, when you say things like use volume 14/16 - does this relate to mobile phone speakers? what about connected to other speakers with amplification and volume?

for example, i have an android at 14/16 connected to power speakers using ultra sonic MIR 5.75
i would say its quite "loud", when i test it with hybrid for example for calibration.
when i sleep, Frequensee is showing -50db at my ears, which is about 3m from the speakers.

Are these the right settings? will these setting apply for other subs like OF 5.75?

When I say 13/15 I mean "playing from the onboard speaker of an Android phone.  14/16 on iPhone, or 26/30 on a Google phone (I think it was Google phone) is the equivalent.  Whatever the volume is at the speaker, that is the volume you want to use on whatever other player/external speakers if possible.  The exception is headphones or earbuds.  I don't use those, so I haven't figured out the optimal volume for them.  But it would be way too loud on headphones or earbuds at 13/15 I suspect, and you shouldn't use ultrasonic on them anyway.

It doesn't matter what the volume is at your ear, because volume falls off at the square of the distance from the source, and your ear moves around.  You need to match it at the source.

I use earbuds on an Android phone and set the volume of 10-11/15 (whatever is most comfortable.) Maybe try starting at that level. 

 I use the hybrid Triclikng Stream .flac format.

Hybrid includes ultrasonic.  That is not a wise thing to do on earbuds.  Especially on earbuds.  The volume from the speaker does not equate.  it is much higher, relatively, through earbuds.  It can potentially also damage your hearing to listen to ultrasonic that loud through earbuds.

[ncbeareatingman]

First of all thanks Ben for handeling my order of OF in a timely fashion. thnks Man.
I to do what NOMAD does " I use the hybrid Triclikng Stream .flac format."
I Just download OF in hybrid trickling Stream..flac format. I will be starting it tomorrow. morning for 6 hours and 12 minutes str8. its too late in the evening,now for all that and I've never been able to use Subliminals over Night.ever. no matter whose they were.... been using subs since the Spring 1986. Have tried numberous times to use'm over night. Ima flippin Ogar and da half....the next day, feel way way hung over,as if I slept in the middle of someones living room floor while a party was going on,all night. I dont really sleep,sleep when they're running, so 6 Loops probably 6 to 12:12 noon tomorrow. Thanks Shannon, and Crew. will be posting soon on OF usage. Night All.

[Shannon]

Welcome to the party, Keith.

[Hatman]

Shannon, when you say things like use volume 14/16 - does this relate to mobile phone speakers? what about connected to other speakers with amplification and volume?

for example, i have an android at 14/16 connected to power speakers using ultra sonic MIR 5.75
i would say its quite "loud", when i test it with hybrid for example for calibration.
when i sleep, Frequensee is showing -50db at my ears, which is about 3m from the speakers.

Are these the right settings? will these setting apply for other subs like OF 5.75?

When I say 13/15 I mean "playing from the onboard speaker of an Android phone.  14/16 on iPhone, or 26/30 on a Google phone (I think it was Google phone) is the equivalent.  Whatever the volume is at the speaker, that is the volume you want to use on whatever other player/external speakers if possible.  The exception is headphones or earbuds.  I don't use those, so I haven't figured out the optimal volume for them.  But it would be way too loud on headphones or earbuds at 13/15 I suspect, and you shouldn't use ultrasonic on them anyway.

It doesn't matter what the volume is at your ear, because volume falls off at the square of the distance from the source, and your ear moves around.  You need to match it at the source.

I use earbuds on an Android phone and set the volume of 10-11/15 (whatever is most comfortable.) Maybe try starting at that level. 

 I use the hybrid Triclikng Stream .flac format.

Some phones might be different in this regard then. I also listen to hybrid trickling stream using my earbuds. But the highest comfortable volume that also doesn't cause tinnitus after finishing my loops is 6/15 for me. It's fairly loud. I would not be able to listen to anything, subliminal or not at volume 11/15 for more than a very short period of time.

Like you said, the highest comfortable volume is what you should be going for instead of a specific volume setting.

EDIT: I have an android phone too

[Determined]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the planned pricing for LTU6?

[NOMAD]

Shannon, when you say things like use volume 14/16 - does this relate to mobile phone speakers? what about connected to other speakers with amplification and volume?

for example, i have an android at 14/16 connected to power speakers using ultra sonic MIR 5.75
i would say its quite "loud", when i test it with hybrid for example for calibration.
when i sleep, Frequensee is showing -50db at my ears, which is about 3m from the speakers.

Are these the right settings? will these setting apply for other subs like OF 5.75?

When I say 13/15 I mean "playing from the onboard speaker of an Android phone.  14/16 on iPhone, or 26/30 on a Google phone (I think it was Google phone) is the equivalent.  Whatever the volume is at the speaker, that is the volume you want to use on whatever other player/external speakers if possible.  The exception is headphones or earbuds.  I don't use those, so I haven't figured out the optimal volume for them.  But it would be way too loud on headphones or earbuds at 13/15 I suspect, and you shouldn't use ultrasonic on them anyway.

It doesn't matter what the volume is at your ear, because volume falls off at the square of the distance from the source, and your ear moves around.  You need to match it at the source.

I use earbuds on an Android phone and set the volume of 10-11/15 (whatever is most comfortable.) Maybe try starting at that level. 

 I use the hybrid Triclikng Stream .flac format.

Hybrid includes ultrasonic.  That is not a wise thing to do on earbuds.  Especially on earbuds.  The volume from the speaker does not equate.  it is much higher, relatively, through earbuds.  It can potentially also damage your hearing to listen to ultrasonic that loud through earbuds.

My understanding of the volume calibration method you have advised in times past is to use the masked version, determine the listening volume where you can hear the most quiet part of the track,  and use that volume for listening to ultrasonic tracks. I applied that method to earbud use and have been doing it since the hybrid format was released. In other words, I listen to the hybrid track at the same volume that I would listen to a masked track. I understand that you recommend against using ultrasonic tracks with earbuds because a person could inadvertently change the volume and unknowingly blast their ears.  That makes total sense. But shouldn't the hybrid be okay as long as the listening volume is comfortable? I'm pretty sure I've seen a post of yours where you essentially answered that question in the affirmative. 

I run a fan at night while I sleep. Anything lower than than 10/15 and the trickling stream blends in. Maybe a lower volume of the hybrid track is effective even with the fan running? You have commented in the past that noise that drowns out the quiet part of the track can affect the subconscious' ability to understand the script from the masked portion of the track. To me, the volume always seems too low if less than 10 for that reason. 10/15 seems just right and is comfortable to listen to. 

I can still hear the frequencies when someone turns on a TV in another room. I can still hear the ultrasonic track playing from my laptop.  I've had no discernable loss in hearing. I avoid using the ultrasonic and masked tracks because they seem to have a noticeably weaker (less motivating) effect. 

In any case,  your concern/warning about potential hearing loss is noted.

EDIT: clarification of a few statements

[UniversalMan]

@Shannon I think I will have to stop OF and start MHS, as some physical conditions have got worse now.
I am planning to listen it alongside with DRS and than get back to OF as soon as possible, just tell me in your opinion, how long break should I take in between?

Before I answer your question, I will ask some of my own.

Why do you think the physical conditions have gotten worse?  Is this just coincidence, or is some part of you trying to give you "reasons" to switch, or trying to make you miserable enough to switch (threats)?  Is this running away?  

If your conditions have worsened for reasons other than using OF, then it would seem reasonable to use MHS to try to help them.  But if they're suddenly getting worse because your subconscious is trying to disincentivize you to use OF and instead encourage you to use something else, I think it is wiser to simply find a different usage pattern and keep going with OF.

In my case, I have been met with overwhelming exhaustion.  So I lowered the volume slightly.  I could also have switched formats, changed the number of loops per day, days on, days off... but I'm trying to follow the instructions and still change variables to make this possible.  So I changed the volume by lowering it a little bit.

If this is an effort to get you to switch programs, ask yourself: are you looking at having those physical conditions as a result of some part of your subconscious causing them for some reason that is completely illogical?  If they are caused by your own subconscious, why?  Them getting worse, in what appears (given my limited information here) to be a reaction to OF, trying to get you to stop using it, suggests that they may exist in the first place as a result of some part of you attempting to prevent or avoid something, even before using OF.  Them getting worse (if it is in response to OF) hints that they may be a way to avoid something you fear, and as such are being made worse by the part of you that generated them in the first place, again, to avoid something feared.

If that is the case, then is it really going to be a good idea to switch?  Or would you be better staying the course and getting rid of the fear that us behind them?

Of course I'm asking questions because I don't have enough information to judge.  But I want you to consider these possibilities before you switch to something else.  When the going gets tough, those who run away don't achieve the goals.  Make sure you're not just running away.

Well, this inflammation I have, started a few months ago before OF was even made, and when buying OF I hesitated if to buy OF or to buy MHS, but still went with OF (cause I have problems with some unaddressable fears and would like to get rid of them and I thought the inflammation was not that severe), now all of this seems to me like a really heavy physical detoxing (I did not meet this kind of heavy detoxing before) which in turn triggered inflammation, so you can imagine the rest of the story.

I do not think it is fear based,but to be 100% sure that it is not resistance I would need to stop OF and see for myself if the condition improves, but I will not experiment in that way, I would rather experiment with the listening schedule of OF and do two weeks without off days.

And I would definitely say that I am executing  


One more thing that I wanted to mention is that, It seems to me that previous programming is still "recorded" somewhere in the subconscious but was not executing , and it seems that OF unblocked some of previous programming, I noticed it last week, but can not remember exactly what, I was and still am amazed how well OF works.




so... @Shannon your thoughts on this, and please, your answer to my original question.

@Shannon I suppose you didn't see my reply

BTW few days ago when I buyed MHS , something strange happened   , the physical conditions mentioned earlier  somehow started to improve... But,wait for it, I am not even listening to MHS (Listening OF), and I didnt think of this until today when I have read that you have TID-s from TID-s    

So now to write, this conclusion of mine , regarding time, past present and future, as I see it, it is just a collective consciousness byproduct, actually everything is happening in the now...so it is just about which path (reality) a person chooses, that path comes to surface and it starts manifesting.

What I wanted to say is,I did chose that I will listen to MHS, and than the PX technology (insert the correct no. after P) made the MHS available to my subconscious just because I did set my intention that will listen to it,and it started to affecting me.

so, when you set the intention to develop the P technology, the P technology started to affect you even before you made it, because that is what the P tech. does, just because you were on that path and decided it is going to happen  


That is a very powerful tool!

Just imagine one day that you develop a tech. that will allow the user after purchasing to not even listen to the subliminal, or listen to it only once and that the sub is instantly downloaded and recorded in the conscious unconscious and subconscious mind and starts executing right away, and does not stop!!!

Imagine a sub that could bring peace freedom love and health to the whole planet earth, directly to the collective consciousness, that is something to aim for, right?

(I hope you understood what I wrote, cause it is sometimes difficult to write conclusions with mine thought flow)