Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Shannon]

Thanks @Shannon and @Benjamin  for the encouragement. Always glad to contribute great reporting! And @fab10 : my orgasms are also better as well. Much more enjoyable and it's made the experience much more enjoyable. Damn it, I kinda wish this program had existed years ago man cause I would have cleaned up around college.

Also @Shannon , if you're still shopping around for ideas for new products what about a subliminal for photographic memory? I remember in the 1990's you said you made that program for yourself to help with school and you got extremely high grades from it. Either that, or maybe a new version of Improve Your Grades and Study Habits.

Photographic Memory 5.75.4G would be a straightforward memory booster but of Improve Your Grades and Study Habits 5.75.4G (IYGS) here's some ideas

• Improve motivation to study
  
• Guide user's actions towards procuring the best possible grades
  
• Fear removal if necessary
  
• Attracting positive study partners and classmates for studying
  

Not a bad idea at all.  However, what I was seeking specifically was a subliminal that I could build quickly and correctly, that would sell well since everything went wrong last month, and I spent all my time building something that I discovered I could not release at the very last minute.  I only had a small amount of time to build.  I ended up making Improve Your Eyesight, which looks awesome to me (can't wait to be free to use it), but apparently wasn't exciting enough.  I might as well have just slept all month.

I have finished Stage 5, and now I am working on the module that will take 5.75.4G to 5.75.5G, if I can get it to work.  That will go into OF v2, and then I'll be either working on LTUv6 Stage 6, or Universal Healing, followed by the one that I didn't do as a second step.

But, I like your idea, and I have added it to my options list.

For what it's worth...I liked the idea of the eyesight sub. I'd love to not have any form of vision correction anymore, that'd be a godsend. I hate how I look with glasses as some geeky nerd in my eyes and I'm positive in girl's eyes too, lmao. Even in Hollywood there's that stereotype about the glasses guy, lol. I think I look WAY better without them. I looked at lasik twice but was wary and passed. Contacts I have a toxic love/hate relationship with, haha. So this sub was very interesting to me and I checked it out as soon as it came out! Just giving you background on me...as I seem to be a part of the sub's market...

But...the sales page of the eyesight sub was pretty vague and seemed to boil down to "maybe possibly PERHAPS it can do SOMETHING...it's unknown". Wording like that made me hold off on it, and I'm sure others felt the same. Hard to justify the expense and huge 7 month time investment in a "maybe/possibly/perhaps" type of extremely situational sub. An extremely situational sub is really only worth it if it clearly delivers, since you can run something more general like an OF/E4 sub and gain benefit in that large block of listening time, in this case, 7 months.

So...I think that's the problem. I think if you got the sub into the hands of some people with clearly bad vision, and got them tangible improvements in it and had testimonials showing what it CAN do...you should see the sales increase a lot for it.

Also, I'm surprised you made this sub to be honest. I thought physical growth/healing subs were off the table for now due to what you've said about IYPS in the past. IYPS and a Grow Taller sub would both be AMAZING. Both instant buys for me, haha. Perhaps the tissue works differently, and hence this eye sub may work now, but the others wouldn't work now somehow?

Looking forward to the imminent birth of 5.75.5G, Shannon. And subsequent OF 5.75.5G!

I don't talk about it anymore, but the same cycle that correlated to the stress and issues I had regarding my uncle's death also correlated to me being sick for 5 weeks in January, and again for 5 weeks recently, among many other things.  The end result is that I'm becoming exhausted and burned out, and basically, that sub was released when I was too tired to do the job of writing the description, but other issues and timing meant that had no choice in the matter.  I later re-wrote it, but I won't be surprised if nobody ever buys and uses it.  It's just like that with what's going on.  No choice is the right choice, and things go wrong whether or not they can.  I can only do what I have the energy left to do at this point.

There's a big difference between what needs to be done to make your penis grow and what needs to be done to correct your eyes.  I can do what it takes to correct many of the issues you might have with your eyes, although to what degree I don't know yet because obviously I didn't have a chance to test it.  I would kill to use it myself, been wanting to build it since 2010, but of course I can't even run the sub I most desperately need to run right now (which isn't the eye sub) because of all of the other sh*t going wrong that must be dealt with.  Every choice is the wrong choice.  But oh boy, what I wouldn't give to rub it in the face of my eye doctor that my subliminals do work, with proof he himself gives.  I even got an eye exam right before I created it too.

As for Grow Taller... again, requires very specialized scripting that is very slow and difficult to build in order to grow past the fusing of your bones.  I'm not even entirely sure it is possible yet.

[lano1106]

With my marketer eye, I have learned that market is sometimes very unpredictable. No models can fully and accurately predict the market reaction to a new product launch.

You will sometime get unexpected success and unexpected flop. It is part of the game it needs to be accounted for...

Also, if there is something that I have learn is that the 2 big markets in the self-help niche is anything that is related to sex and/or money.... You can't go wrong with these 2 niches...

[Shannon]

With my marketer eye, I have learned that market is sometimes very unpredictable. No models can fully and accurately predict the market reaction to a new product launch.

You will sometime get unexpected success and unexpected flop. It is part of the game it needs to be accounted for...

Also, if there is something that I have learn is that the 2 big markets in the self-help niche is anything that is related to sex and/or money.... You can't go wrong with these 2 niches...

You may have noted that I have been focusing on sex based releases a lot this year, for exactly that reason.  Orgasm Enhancer, etc. But even that has been met with lukewarm responses.  And the next release of a money focused program is either going to have to be UMS as a single stage program, or will be UMS as a six stage set, which will take me months to complete.  It's really too complex to release successfully as a single stage program, so... that kills me on timing, especially since I still have to finish two more stages of LTUv6 and build more programs for release as new options.

I'm doing the best I can right now, but it's just a challenging time.  People around the world have less money free to spend, because their jobs are impacted.  There is only so much I can do in the direction of sex or money that can be done in less than months of work at a shot.  I'd love, for example, to build something like Penis Enlargement finally... but to really make that work correctly it will most likely require 2-3 months of work, even as a single stage set.  I don't have that kind of time to work on just one program right now.

With PE (or "the Male Enhancement Protocol", as I will probably be calling it in the future) it is easy to make it seem to work, but to make it actually do what you want it to do requires a much more challenging approach.  It requires highly specialized scripting and a lot of focal points that all work together synergistically in exactly the right ways.  That is why it will most likely take so long to script.  I haven't simply built it  and released it regardless because I don't want you guys to just seem to get results, I want you to actually get the results you paid for.  This sort of complexity is why I have held off on doing a lot of interesting titles I would love to work on.  It's a matter of how long it takes to build correctly, vs how much time I have to build it correctly in most cases.

[NOMAD]

It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

[Shannon]

It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

[NOMAD]

It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

Maybe you didn't read my full post.  That's essentially what I said in my last statement. 

In any case, sex (and money) sells. Hate it or love it, that's probably not going to change any time soon.

[Vasil]

If I might add something to the conversation. There are two reasons in my opinion sales are slumping. Part of it, like Catman pointed out, involves the fact that some of the latest programs haven't been tested the same way 5G was, and the sales pages include a disclaimer along the lines of "We won't know the full extent of what this does until you use it." That encourages people to wait until other people report on its success.

The other issue is time. Many of the most desirable programs are now running around 6-8 months of use time. Some people like me, who have the disposable income and interest to experiment with subliminals, already have around 2 years of backlog of pre purchased programs to work through. E4 for example is going to take me until May to complete, and it makes no sense to buy the latest thing until I've had a chance to assess how that went.

I know in previous years @Shannon said he hoped to get 6G programs to start showing effects within hours rather than days and have a shorter use time. No idea if that's still considered possible, but being able to work through a subliminal faster would no doubt stimulate sales.

[Shannon]

If I might add something to the conversation. There are two reasons in my opinion sales are slumping. Part of it, like Catman pointed out, involves the fact that some of the latest programs haven't been tested the same way 5G was, and the sales pages include a disclaimer along the lines of "We won't know the full extent of what this does until you use it." That encourages people to wait until other people report on its success.

The other issue is time. Many of the most desirable programs are now running around 6-8 months of use time. Some people like me, who have the disposable income and interest to experiment with subliminals, already have around 2 years of backlog of pre purchased programs to work through. E4 for example is going to take me until May to complete, and it makes no sense to buy the latest thing until I've had a chance to assess how that went.

I know in previous years @Shannon said he hoped to get 6G programs to start showing effects within hours rather than days and have a shorter use time. No idea if that's still considered possible, but being able to work through a subliminal faster would no doubt stimulate sales.

That's a pretty reasonable assessment of what's probably going on, but allow me to point out to you that this generation (and 5.5G) of subliminals does in fact achieve noticeable results starting within minutes hours or in a few cases (hormonal influencers) days.  

The instructions ask for longer run times not because they are somehow less effective, but because they are now capable of achieving much deeper and more lasting results than 5G and earlier subs were, but it takes significant time to work through some of the deeper layers of issues that must be dealt with.  It is actually a consequence of the programs becoming more and more successful at fully achieving their goals, to be able to successfully influence deeper and deeper layers of the mind in ways that will be permanent (or at the very least, long term) changes.  This requires more time because more layers and parts of your awareness must be worked with, among other things.

[Shannon]

It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

Maybe you didn't read my full post.  That's essentially what I said in my last statement. 

In any case, sex (and money) sells. Hate it or love it, that's probably not going to change any time soon.

Today has been One Of Those Days ™ for me, and it got so bad at one point that I was unable to tell that I was becoming low blood sugar.  When I get low on blood sugar my ability to focus fails, and if I don't know I'm low on blood sugar I won't know my focus is shot either.  So if I overlooked what you said, my apologies.  It's rare that my emotional state gets so bad that I can't tell when I'm in need of blood sugar, so I didn't even think to consider that as a possibility.  I had no idea how bad it was until I ate, and saw a rapid change as my blood sugar came back up.  I haven't been able to work today because of my emotional state, as a result of everything going wrong today.  It was like being sucker punched emotionally.  I tried to keep being productive by doing forum work, but you can see that wasn't entirely successful.

[NOMAD]

It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

Maybe you didn't read my full post.  That's essentially what I said in my last statement. 

In any case, sex (and money) sells. Hate it or love it, that's probably not going to change any time soon.

Today has been One Of Those Days ™ for me, and it got so bad at one point that I was unable to tell that I was becoming low blood sugar.  When I get low on blood sugar my ability to focus fails, and if I don't know I'm low on blood sugar I won't know my focus is shot either.  So if I overlooked what you said, my apologies.  It's rare that my emotional state gets so bad that I can't tell when I'm in need of blood sugar, so I didn't even think to consider that as a possibility.  I had no idea how bad it was until I ate, and saw a rapid change as my blood sugar came back up.  I haven't been able to work today because of my emotional state, as a result of everything going wrong today.  It was like being sucker punched emotionally.  I tried to keep being productive by doing forum work, but you can see that wasn't entirely successful.

Hang in there, man. If it gets too bad, I know a guy that scripts some bada$$ subs that I've been using for the past few years. I'll bet he has exactly what you need. 

[fab10]

The other issue is time. Many of the most desirable programs are now running around 6-8 months of use time. Some people like me, who have the disposable income and interest to experiment with subliminals, already have around 2 years of backlog of pre purchased programs to work through. E4 for example is going to take me until May to complete, and it makes no sense to buy the latest thing until I've had a chance to assess how that went.

^ that! I have two or three more months on LTU, I already purchased OE, I definitely want to do “Improve eyesight” a.s.a.p. because mine is declining fast and also because I could easily produce hard proof for @Shannon if it works well, the (hopefully) upcoming Universal Healing is definitely a priority, I do feel that OF is so foundational that everyone should do it, LTU deserves a rerun ... how many years is that already? So many subs so little time. I hope I will have more clarity to choose my next sub at the end of my LTU run.

@Shannon what does Universal Healing contain?

[DarthXedonias]

Kind of late but I would say I wouldn't mind jumping on a upgraded OF either. Found out most likely I won't be starting my college program until probably 2 months from now. So wouldn't mind in the mean time doing something to clear things of my head to increase the potential of other subs working in the future. I am interested in the universal healing sub which would be my primary go to but no idea how long that might take to come out seeing Shannon is going through hell right now with everything not working as expected. So I think that's 7 or 8 people who would be wiling to buy when it comes out.

[Benjamin]

IYPS and a Grow Taller sub would both be AMAZING.

I initially took this as you wanting a combination of both. I understand because when your penis gets too big you might need to compensate for the problems it could cause by also growing taller.

Grow a taller body but also taller penis 5.75g.

[tolgaocal80]

IYPS and a Grow Taller sub would both be AMAZING.

I initially took this as you wanting a combination of both. I understand because when your penis gets too big you might need to compensate for the problems it could cause by also growing taller.

Grow a taller body but also taller penis 5.75g.

maybe we need something differrent than a penis... you know every men has one already

what about an another limb??...

Develop Giant Third Leg 5.75.5G