Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Wiseg9999]

hi Shannon, i wanted to start OF 5.75 in 2 weeks.
i thought knocking fear out in 8 months might change a lot.

Do you think it will help with self worth, self esteem, confidence as well? i can be highly critical of myself
What about anger, hate, frustration? especially towards other people like gf or parents?
what about negativity?

are any of these based on fear?

thanks for helping.

People are very complex.  The best I can accurately say with certainty is that, if that aspect of your life is hampered by fear, and you use OF fear long enough, then it should help.

Here's a little bit more detail.

Let's say you have self worth, self esteem, confidence issues.  The reason why you have them will determine how they are affected by OF 5.75G.  Can they be based in fear?  Yes.  Must they always be?  No.  

If you get mugged by a gang and beaten within an inch of your life, and you associate that experience with things that result in self worth, self esteem, confidence issues, for example, it's a good bet that they are fear based.  But if you have those issues just because you were exposed to a steady stream of verbal abuse as a child, which had that result, then they may not be based in fear.

It's a much more complex situation than just "everything is based in fear" until you get to the root.  At the root, I have found, most things that hold you back are based in fear.

Now that may sound self contradictory, but here's a little more detail.

Let's go back to that last example, verbal abuse.  If the verbal abuse didn't result in the issues because of fear, but most issues are based in fear at their root, then how do we reconcile that?  Well, it would likely be an indirect influence from fear.  The reason you responded to the verbal abuse by developing those issues may not have been fear directly, but the beliefs that resulted in the interpretation of that abuse that ended up becoming those issues may themselves have been based in fear.  

So if the issue is directly resulting from fear, it may be very quickly obvious what is what.  If they are indirectly resulting from fear, the issues may need time to be adjusted because of the secondary nature.  And if they're not based in fear at all, then they won't likely be affected.

Since a human is a very complex web of memories and beliefs and experiences and interpretations to those and colored glasses through which to view them and point of view and expectations and and and... it is even possible to have a tertiary or quaternary effect.  The thing may not directly be influenced by fear, and what resulted in it may not be affected by fear, but what creates and maintains that might be.  And so on.

There will almost certainly be an effect, the question is a matter of what the effect will be, how directly it will be affected and as a result, how long the resulting changes will take place.

Shannon, thanks for the explanation, it makes sense. Can i tell you 2 more points please, maybe it can help you to suggest my next program?

POINT A
I used DMSI 3.2 B i think for 12+ months.
I manifested a hot babe, 8 years younger, sex of tap, i mean hornier than the guys here. the funny thing i remember thinking i want a young hot sl*t and thats exactly what i got a couple of months after. lol. she thought the sun shined out my a$$. also i remember being strong alpha, not needy couldnt care less about her i was focused in my own world and she was just part of it and i had glimpses of power and leadership and intelligence, small glimpse but glimpse none the less of extreme maniless, i remember my boss being threated and once -- all important things for me.. It didnt solve most of those issue above that i told you about, self doubt, anger frustration. i also didnt become a babe magnet. of course, i had a perfect gf and decided to quit. btw - we broke up after 15 months. no wonder i am more beta than ever addicted to porn again, which DMSI solved after the 12 months.


POINT B
I then used USLM in 2018 and that was a complete failure for me. i was extremely emotional. i was afraid of making decisions. i was afraid of leaving my job for another one. i was self doubting everything. i couldnt make any decisions. all the things that i struggle with were amplified. the fear was intense, that i was gonna get in trouble if i left my job, anxiety was at all time highs. it was intenese. i got more needy and definetly took a step back in my progress.

Does point A and B tell you anything to help suggest my next program?
Should I use DMSI (the new version coming) again for 12 months seeing that there was some exectution?
Should I stick with original idea of use OF 5.75?
Should i wait for the new USLM as that was the biggest blocking point?
any other suggestions?

thanks again Shannon, any advice and explanation to help me understand will help me.

ps. im just on about to finish 3 months of MIR 5.75 fyi.


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What did you use MIR v3 for, and how did it perform for you?

Part B tells me you definitely need help with fear.  Part A makes me wonder if maybe that wasn't fear based self sabotage when you broke up with your "perfect girlfriend".  

USLM being a blocking point doesn't mean that's what you should be using.  It just tells me you're afraid of success.  Again, back to fear.  And that fear of success may also have killed your success with DMSI 3.3.2.

So if I was in your shoes, my question would be, should I use OF 5.75G, or should I use DMSI 3.3.3?

The answer to that will be determined by the value you place on certain things.  Are you more interested in attracting sex than anything else?  DMSI is what you want.  Are you interested in clearing out your fears and making your whole life better in the process, with women, success, and everything else?  OF is your choice.

thanks a lot Shannon, ok then OF it is, ill start August 15.

2019 i had cancer. during my chemo i used MIR old version - it didnt help with the immume system, then agin nothing really does with chemo.
i then used MHS for 2 or 3 months - its hard to say what that did, i did feel my back get better and ears get better in the first couple of weeks, after that no noticable changes, then i moved to MIR.

MIR 5.75 - well, ill be checking my blood results tomorrow to see if theres any huge difference.
I did have a throat infection mid way and i was shocked (strep bacteria) and disappointed tbh - but it did go away very quickly, could've have been MIR or something else, im very healthy lifestyle nowadays after my cancer experience. I havent been sick since that time. i feel good.
I like having MIR lying around.

[Shannon]

hi Shannon, i wanted to start OF 5.75 in 2 weeks.
i thought knocking fear out in 8 months might change a lot.

Do you think it will help with self worth, self esteem, confidence as well? i can be highly critical of myself
What about anger, hate, frustration? especially towards other people like gf or parents?
what about negativity?

are any of these based on fear?

thanks for helping.

People are very complex.  The best I can accurately say with certainty is that, if that aspect of your life is hampered by fear, and you use OF fear long enough, then it should help.

Here's a little bit more detail.

Let's say you have self worth, self esteem, confidence issues.  The reason why you have them will determine how they are affected by OF 5.75G.  Can they be based in fear?  Yes.  Must they always be?  No.  

If you get mugged by a gang and beaten within an inch of your life, and you associate that experience with things that result in self worth, self esteem, confidence issues, for example, it's a good bet that they are fear based.  But if you have those issues just because you were exposed to a steady stream of verbal abuse as a child, which had that result, then they may not be based in fear.

It's a much more complex situation than just "everything is based in fear" until you get to the root.  At the root, I have found, most things that hold you back are based in fear.

Now that may sound self contradictory, but here's a little more detail.

Let's go back to that last example, verbal abuse.  If the verbal abuse didn't result in the issues because of fear, but most issues are based in fear at their root, then how do we reconcile that?  Well, it would likely be an indirect influence from fear.  The reason you responded to the verbal abuse by developing those issues may not have been fear directly, but the beliefs that resulted in the interpretation of that abuse that ended up becoming those issues may themselves have been based in fear.  

So if the issue is directly resulting from fear, it may be very quickly obvious what is what.  If they are indirectly resulting from fear, the issues may need time to be adjusted because of the secondary nature.  And if they're not based in fear at all, then they won't likely be affected.

Since a human is a very complex web of memories and beliefs and experiences and interpretations to those and colored glasses through which to view them and point of view and expectations and and and... it is even possible to have a tertiary or quaternary effect.  The thing may not directly be influenced by fear, and what resulted in it may not be affected by fear, but what creates and maintains that might be.  And so on.

There will almost certainly be an effect, the question is a matter of what the effect will be, how directly it will be affected and as a result, how long the resulting changes will take place.

Shannon, thanks for the explanation, it makes sense. Can i tell you 2 more points please, maybe it can help you to suggest my next program?

POINT A
I used DMSI 3.2 B i think for 12+ months.
I manifested a hot babe, 8 years younger, sex of tap, i mean hornier than the guys here. the funny thing i remember thinking i want a young hot sl*t and thats exactly what i got a couple of months after. lol. she thought the sun shined out my a$$. also i remember being strong alpha, not needy couldnt care less about her i was focused in my own world and she was just part of it and i had glimpses of power and leadership and intelligence, small glimpse but glimpse none the less of extreme maniless, i remember my boss being threated and once -- all important things for me.. It didnt solve most of those issue above that i told you about, self doubt, anger frustration. i also didnt become a babe magnet. of course, i had a perfect gf and decided to quit. btw - we broke up after 15 months. no wonder i am more beta than ever addicted to porn again, which DMSI solved after the 12 months.


POINT B
I then used USLM in 2018 and that was a complete failure for me. i was extremely emotional. i was afraid of making decisions. i was afraid of leaving my job for another one. i was self doubting everything. i couldnt make any decisions. all the things that i struggle with were amplified. the fear was intense, that i was gonna get in trouble if i left my job, anxiety was at all time highs. it was intenese. i got more needy and definetly took a step back in my progress.

Does point A and B tell you anything to help suggest my next program?
Should I use DMSI (the new version coming) again for 12 months seeing that there was some exectution?
Should I stick with original idea of use OF 5.75?
Should i wait for the new USLM as that was the biggest blocking point?
any other suggestions?

thanks again Shannon, any advice and explanation to help me understand will help me.

ps. im just on about to finish 3 months of MIR 5.75 fyi.


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What did you use MIR v3 for, and how did it perform for you?

Part B tells me you definitely need help with fear.  Part A makes me wonder if maybe that wasn't fear based self sabotage when you broke up with your "perfect girlfriend".  

USLM being a blocking point doesn't mean that's what you should be using.  It just tells me you're afraid of success.  Again, back to fear.  And that fear of success may also have killed your success with DMSI 3.3.2.

So if I was in your shoes, my question would be, should I use OF 5.75G, or should I use DMSI 3.3.3?

The answer to that will be determined by the value you place on certain things.  Are you more interested in attracting sex than anything else?  DMSI is what you want.  Are you interested in clearing out your fears and making your whole life better in the process, with women, success, and everything else?  OF is your choice.

thanks a lot Shannon, ok then OF it is, ill start August 15.

2019 i had cancer. during my chemo i used MIR old version - it didnt help with the immume system, then agin nothing really does with chemo.
i then used MHS for 2 or 3 months - its hard to say what that did, i did feel my back get better and ears get better in the first couple of weeks, after that no noticable changes, then i moved to MIR.

MIR 5.75 - well, ill be checking my blood results tomorrow to see if theres any huge difference.
I did have a throat infection mid way and i was shocked (strep bacteria) and disappointed tbh - but it did go away very quickly, could've have been MIR or something else, im very healthy lifestyle nowadays after my cancer experience. I havent been sick since that time. i feel good.
I like having MIR lying around.

Having been through chemo, I can tell you, chemo literally kills the immune system.  MIR isn't going to do very well without an immune system to maximize.  I'm not surprised by that.  Unfortunately, such is the nature of chemo.

It is possible to get an infection during a MIR run.  Even on v3, depending on the specifics of circumstances.  That surprises me also, but it is possible.  Depends on the virulence of the specific infecting agent, and how healthy your immune system is, mostly.  If it popped up and then went away quickly, what is most likely is that you happened to get a very virulent strain for your system/genetics that was able to get in and start the attack, and then MIR killed it quickly.

[Broski]

Hey Shannon, think you may have missed my last post/question in our exchange since it was at the very end of the last page, so just reposing here in case. It is the last message in the string of quoted text below

Hey Shannon,

I have taken a break from subs for over the past year now, but had a question pertaining to dmsi, my experience on it, and the latest version.

I started  running i believe version 2.3 back in February of 2018. I have always seemed to be rather resister to subs, and wasnt really sure if they were dong anything(Even with later/newer upgraded subs tech wise like uslm 3 and ltu 5), however my run on dmsi was different and a very unique experience for me.

It coincided with me making an incredibly large life change and overall shift. A sort of line in the sand moment so to speak. I quit drinking cold turkey, and started taking full responsibility for my life and moving in the direction of all of my goals. Started implementing positive habits and removing negative ones, visualizing my ideal life daily and took action towards that vision, started reading different personal development books and took notes on them, and was contiually becoming a better all around athlete. Everything was not perfect and i still had my issues, but i had a sense that i was continually improving and all the puzzle perceives would eventually fall into place It was one of the most inspiring times of my life. periods of my life.

From specifically a sexually  irresistible standpoint and the effects there, since i stopped drinking and was more focused on my own goals i really was not around woman much to put it tot he test, howsever i was getting a lot of random social media friends requests from woman, and one of my clients who happened to be the person i was the most attracted to at the time, but also in a long term relationship, was showing signs of extreme attraction towards me, and i almost feel like if we didnt stop working together something might have eventually happened between us.

I ended up getting off the sub because i realized i most just wanted to continually improve myself and be the best version of me rather than just be sexually attractive to woman, but the funny thing is since getting off that sub, trying other subs and different personal development and even spiritual tools and practices,I have went through a LOT since then(including  many spiritual type things that i will leave out here because i am not sure it is allowed and this post is already going to be long enough) but ultimately what I care about is  I have never quite been able to get back to that place of inspiration. A place where i felt the most like myself and i enjoyed the process and loved where things were heading.

My question to you is why do you think i had such success in this regard even though it was not the primary goal of the program? Why did it seem to work better for me in improving myself and my life than things specifically designed for that purpose such as USLM3 and LTU5 which were also much more powerful from a technology standpoint? Is dmsi possibly just in the most alignment with who i authentically am and therefore my subconscious is more open to execution? Do you think there is something to this or is it all maybe just  merely a coincidence and possibly some other factor going on with me beyond subliminal influence at the time?

I ask all of this because i was contemplating getting back on the latest version of dmsi and seeing if i have a sort of similar reaction that i had back in 2018. I want to get back to that place of inspiration, continual improvement, and a more confident sense of self and the direction i want to take my life again

Thank you for your time.

I think you got those results because the goal of DMSI is the satisfaction of the most powerful drive a human has: the drive to sex.  Of all the subliminals and practices you used, that one had the achievement of sex as it's goal (I'm presuming) and it worked well enough to trigger that result.  Nothing else tapped into a sufficiently powerful drive to do so.

The results you got from it ARE in line with its goals.  The reason she started becoming so attracted was you started acting like a true alpha.  Busy with your own life, making yourself better, becoming successful, and women were not the major goal.  That is exactly how you attract a woman.  AM6 has that as its goal, actually: self actualize and improve the man, inwardly focus and de-pedestalize women and sex, and you get the benefit of becoming alpha and the women also.  It's not sufficiently powerful for everyone, however.

The key is, does the program trigger cooperation from the parts of you that are stronger than the parts of you that are resisting?  LTU5 is more powerful, but it's not designed to "make an ally" of your drive to sex.  Without that ally, the rest of your cooperative parts were not strong enough to overcome the resistant parts.

Fortunately for you, I have recently come to understand how and why that happens, and how to overcome it.  It's gone into OF 5.75G, and is going onto LTU6 and everything from here on out.  Including DMSI 3.3.3 and later.

Cool, thank you for the explanation Shannon.

So with these same goals still in mind, primarily getting back to feeling more like myself again and having a strong confident and authentic sense of self and improving everywhere in life toward my goals, and secondarily  also smashing any limiting belief causing me to have insecurities/ issues with woman and being able to attract in the woman of my choice if i so desire, would you say waiting for 3.3.3 would be my best bet?

Your options here are going to be LTU6, E4, DMSI 3.3.3 or OF 5.75G.  I think you're most likely to be happy with DMSI 3.3.3 or OF as your choice in this case.  I would do DMSI 3.3.3 and see how that works for you.

Awesome, thanks. Do you have any current rough ETA on when dmsi 3.3.3 will be released? Just wondering if it will be awhile if you would reccomend i try 3.3.2 first until it comes out

[Hanpan]

Just preordered LTU 6. Really appreciated that you've taken the time necessary to make this as good as possible.

[ichigo]

Trying to choose between LTU6, E4 and OF as my next long run sub.

Are you going to swap from OF to LTU6 when it's released, Shannon? Can those on OF swap to LTU6 and still be considered continuing their OF runs seeing as it's included within LTU6, or would the focus be too diluted to be considered the same?

Also, could you please explain what the difference in results is between a year running OF and a year running E4 in theory? What's the difference one can expect in their personality/actions between having focused on fear via OF, or having focused on emotional healing and overcoming fear via E4?

Thank you, Shannon.

[Shannon]

Awesome, thanks. Do you have any current rough ETA on when dmsi 3.3.3 will be released? Just wondering if it will be awhile if you would reccomend i try 3.3.2 first until it comes out

I can't tell you how long it will be until it comes out.  Probably 4 to 6 weeks.  I would not suggest you start 3.3.2 so close to the release of 3.3.3.

[THolt]

Trying to choose between LTU6, E4 and OF as my next long run sub.

Are you going to swap from OF to LTU6 when it's released, Shannon? Can those on OF swap to LTU6 and still be considered continuing their OF runs seeing as it's included within LTU6, or would the focus be too diluted to be considered the same?

Also, could you please explain what the difference in results is between a year running OF and a year running E4 in theory? What's the difference one can expect in their personality/actions between having focused on fear via OF, or having focused on emotional healing and overcoming fear via E4?

Thank you, Shannon.

I was wondering the same thing. 

I think a long term run of E4 will clear out a lot of guilt and shame.

[Shannon]

Trying to choose between LTU6, E4 and OF as my next long run sub.

Are you going to swap from OF to LTU6 when it's released, Shannon?

I don't know.  If the models tell me GF will get more benefit from LTU6 than OF, we will switch.  I'm really happy with OF, and so is she, but LTU6 has a number of things I would like to see her benefit from in it as well.

Can those on OF swap to LTU6 and still be considered continuing their OF runs seeing as it's included within LTU6, or would the focus be too diluted to be considered the same?

You really have to ask me this question?  There are 12 titles in LTU and a lot of smaller extras.  There will be a significant difference.  I don't know what it will be exactly, but there will be a difference.  It will be different enough that it';s not continuing a run of OF by itself.

Also, could you please explain what the difference in results is between a year running OF and a year running E4 in theory? What's the difference one can expect in their personality/actions between having focused on fear via OF, or having focused on emotional healing and overcoming fear via E4?

Thank you, Shannon.

E4 isn't finished yet.  How can I possibly know enough to even theorize at this point?  There are variables that have to be nailed down yet that will give HUGE differences in results.  I can't answer this question.

[Shannon]

Just preordered LTU 6. Really appreciated that you've taken the time necessary to make this as good as possible.

Thank you.  I try.

[Broski]

Hey Shannon,

Would OF be the best sub to aid someone if there long term goal was enlightenment?

Thanks for your time and insight

[ncbeareatingman]

Hey Shannon,

Would OF be the best sub to aid someone if  there long term goal was enlightenment?

Thanks for your time and insight

 Well Lemme put my two cents worth in about this for second.... MY response is " Well It damn shure would hurt to do so!  lemme put it that way.... 

Indeed,Because the reality is WHO ARE WE without da Fear( False Evidence Appearing Real = F.E.A.R.)??? 

 Who do we become without the fear running big parts of the show,or fear in da way??

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon,

Would OF be the best sub to aid someone if  there long term goal was enlightenment?

Thanks for your time and insight

My understanding of what enlightenment is, leads me to conclude that while OF by itself probably will not make you "enlightened", it will very likely remove a lot of what stands in your way of becoming "enlightened".  If it's not the best option, it will be very close to it.

[ncbeareatingman]

Hey Shannon,

Would OF be the best sub to aid someone if  there long term goal was enlightenment?

Thanks for your time and insight

My understanding of what enlightenment is, leads me to conclude that while OF by itself probably will not make you "enlightened", it will very likely remove a lot of what stands in your way of becoming "enlightened".  If it's not the best option, it will be very close to it.

 I agree with Shannon, and what if the very idea for becoming Enlightened ,or the need to be so,is coming from fear,itself and you dont know it? it may or may not be but its worth finding out!! and if it is..you're more than half way there. what if,Im just saying what if,the core of it or damn near the core of this  is"I AM not enough the way I AM"? then once you're  really OK with being who you are as you are...game damn near over...then coming into greater awarrness  would be a much more enjoyable,fun,adventure....
 what if down the road you realized,all that you needed was inside you,including,'enlightenment'...then it'd be like  being at Macy;s trying to go to Macy's,you're already there....like what dorothy in the wizard of Oz 'had' to find out about. the heart of the matter and home..ya know...she always,already did have it but SHE had to find it out for her self.
 some things to consider.
 I can tell from just two weeks of being on OF,its a ding dang game changer,man. all the best. Keith

[ncbeareatingman]

Shannon's quote: "I believe that today I should finish adjusting the script of the last addition. I was hoping to finish yesterday, but the models went unstable, and before they came back my brain gave out with exhaustion. Most of the work is done, though; I have to make a couple more adjustments and then we should be good to start actually building this monster of a script. I can't wait."


Out of friggin sight,man!! Da Monster,ah? Its fright night...watch out LTU6 aka "It conquered the World!!" :-) is comin'!!