LTU5

[AriGold]

Zubrowka, she is also just a human and has just an opinion. Everybody is allowed to have an opinion and not everybody has to agree with you. So when I see others are not even open to understand my opinion than they will never agree with me. So why should I use my time and energy to explain again and again if they are not even open to understand my standpoint?
Then I pull myself out of the discussion, not worth it. They can keep their opinion and their stubborn attitude.

[Zubrowka]

Zubrowka, she is also just a human and has just an opinion. Everybody is allowed to have an opinion and not everybody has to agree with you. So when I see others are not even open to understand my opinion than they will never agree with me. So why should I use my time and energy to explain again and again if they are not even open to understand my standpoint?
Then I pull myself out of the discussion, not worth it. They can keep their opinion and their stubborn attitude.

Yes, I know. But I know that her opinion isn't based on a rational basis, but is more emotionally based - and thus more likely that it's invalid. I keep on talking with her, because I want to understand my own rational way of seeing at the issue on hand better and get deeper into the issue until I know why I know what I know.

[AriGold]

Well, I see it like this. Nobody has all the information so no opinion is the truth, but just an opinion.
There are people who are open to gather new informations and new points of view. With them I enjoy talking and discussing.
Then there are people who are not open to other informations or other point of views. Sometimes I just ask them and let them talk, I do that sometimes out of curiosity to gain new knowledge about others views. But I won't share my point of view or go into discussion with them. It makes no sense to me. The will try to shoot down any opinion, and not with logic but with manipulation, guilt shame fear stuff. I won't play their games. It is not about opinion for them, it is about domination and manipulation.
Would be interesting if you do the same and no longer listen to LTU but to DRS.

[Zubrowka]

Well, I see it like this. Nobody has all the information so no opinion is the truth, but just an opinion.
There are people who are open to gather new informations and new points of view. With them I enjoy talking and discussing.
Then there are people who are not open to other informations or other point of views. Sometimes I just ask them and let them talk, I do that sometimes out of curiosity to gain new knowledge about others views. But I won't share my point of view or go into discussion with them. It makes no sense to me. The will try to shoot down any opinion, and not with logic but with manipulation, guilt shame fear stuff. I won't play their games. It is not about opinion for them, it is about domination and manipulation.
Would be interesting if you do the same and no longer listen to LTU but to DRS.

I agree with you, and I also enjoy more talking with people that are more open to other possibilities and challenging their views. I enjoy to discuss with people who try to understand how they themselves influence the way they think. 

I don't as much enjoy talking to people who blindly follow an ideology - because they are often coloured by their own emotional problems, rather than being on a quest to come closer to truth. A great quote I heard from Jordan Peterson about this is that "Feminism is predicated on resentment" and people with those types of attitudes often have a sense of "moral superiority" when you talk to them. And even if I don't enjoy talking to them in the same way as with someone you can go along with to dive into a subject side-by-side, I enjoy trying to find ways to ask questions that make them question what they believe.

[AriGold]

That reminds me of Reality Transurfing and the pendulums. If you become a blind follower of a cult or a person or a topic you give energy to that pendulum. It is quite an interesting model with the pendulums.
Also it reminds me of Nelson Mandela who was kind of like "some people rule by driving the people apart, by creating an enemy", be it about the colour of the skin, the gender or whatever kind of difference there could be. What do you focus on, the differences or the things that we have in common.
By lifting one side of a stick you also lift the other side. So by creating one extreme you also create the other extreme.

[Zubrowka]

That reminds me of Reality Transurfing and the pendulums. If you become a blind follower of a cult or a person or a topic you give energy to that pendulum. It is quite an interesting model with the pendulums.
Also it reminds me of Nelson Mandela who was kind of like "some people rule by driving the people apart, by creating an enemy", be it about the colour of the skin, the gender or whatever kind of difference there could be. What do you focus on, the differences or the things that we have in common.
By lifting one side of a stick you also lift the other side. So by creating one extreme you also create the other extreme.

That can only be true if I buy into it and give energy to it, by getting upset about it. I accept it, it's her opinion, and if I can ask her questions that make her question it - awesome. If not - so be it.

Edit:
So sad to see a girl so entangled into the whole feminist narrative that she destroy her own potential to live a happy life - if you are a girl who spend all of your time jabbering about feminist stuff and take every chance to get upset about something being sexist - what sane guy would stand that shit? Only guys without an own sense of peace who accept their every opinion just to get laid or guys who pretend to care just to get laid. A sensible guy don't want to spend his time debating every little thing and hearing about how the patriarchy is destroying every womens life and not be able to have a laugh or two with the risk of the girl starting to throw knifes at him for joking about something inappropriate that "actively supports the patriarchal structures in society"... geeeez. I'm all in for equality - but heck live a little and be a normal being or else your idea of "every man is an asshole" is you just attracting said assh*les and scaring away all the normal dudes.

Yes, society is sexist - because we are a sexual species and our main goal is to procreate.
Yes, we live in a capitalistic society because we are a sexual species and our main goal is to procreate.
And yes, there will always be assh*les in this system that try to take advantage of others because they don't want to suck it up and play according to the rules.

Deal with it. Become stronger. Learn to separate the assh*les from the ones who aren't. Learn to see the good things in life and in people. If you are going around your whole life trying to change the system because it's "unfair", first - good luck, second - you are creating yourself a miserable life.

EDIT2:
Found a pretty entertaining and interesting video about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCD0FVodIT4

Pretty unsure about if this breaks rule 10 - let me know if it does. My idea of sharing it was not to discuss it, but to share some insight so maybe someone don't fall into the trap of getting miserable by dating a girl like this, as it can drag you into victim mentality and just pure misery - which is totally the opposite direction of what people here want to do.

[Zubrowka]

i really like how this guy explain things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAaJVf6Wydw

He may not have the point of the TAM done correctly, but he has a lot of good points. Like describing dominance as leadership - for me it have had a bad connotation for a long time, but this explanation helped a lot. Can recommend his other videos too.

Like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEjh4Q2zBE4

Discussing what the APA (which I understand is your largest organ for psychiatrists) guidelines are built on and how damaging it can be for men.

The more I learn about this stuff and open my eyes, the more I feel that I need to run AM when I'm done with LTU.

[Zubrowka]

My healing seems to go in cycles of a couple of weeks.

It always end with really dark moments where I feel terrible. The world feels dark and unwelcoming and I'm in pain. I often fall back into watching porn and sometimes get into conflict with people (as seen here on the forum) and after going through the darkness I emerge on the other side.

[Zubrowka]

https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Guide-Wo...0990686442

I'm reading this book which is kind of a merge between a self help book for men combined with a dating book. The author combine perspectives from Jordan peterson, the rational male and no more Mr nice guy with his experience as a psychologist. Very interesting indeed. And even if it doesn't perfectly align with what Shannon has defined the TAM as, it still gives many ideas and inspiration on how to be a man and how to be happy.

Here is a video to give you an idea of how he is like and how I reason about the subject 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KEtReoWMUk4

[Zubrowka]

I have taken action on two things that are aimed to improve the community I live in - things that I may have considered doing previously but now I feel like whenever I think of doing something it's just natural to start the process doing it.

I'm still sensitive to other peoples moods - and that annoy me. Like my mother who is very emotional, that thing irritates me big time and throw me out of balance. I think it is caused by that I myself don't have found me "center" fully yet so I get more sensitive to those type of things, but I hope with continuous use of LTU5 and probably LTU6 this will be fixed- the huge steps I have taken in the last 14 months running LTU5 have showed me that much things are possible that I didn't believe was possible back then.

[Zubrowka]

I think I've finally come to understand why I had such a problematic run with AM a couple of years ago.

What happened what's that as I ran AM, fears started to come up, and I tried to push through with them and so did AM. The provlen was that they were to deeply rooted for E1 in AM to be able to deal with them and when they became to unbearable for me I was thrown into a state of depersonalization/derealizarion to protect my psyche from being overloaded. And there u was, stuck in this fearful mode - which I have been trying to overcome since then. I don't say it was AM that caused it, but it was definitely what triggered it. I would have been much better of running LTU3 or E2, but anxious as I was i took a bite larger than I could chew.

FRM in LTU5 have helped me a lot to deal with my fear and so has my daily root Chakra meditation and I'm in a much much much better place than where I was then I started LTU. And I've probably overcome some fears that I had even before all this started, and started laying the foundation for what will come. I still have some work to do in overcoming my deeper fears, and LTU5 help.me work through them little by little. I'll see how I do when LTU6 come out and if I find it a good decision to do the upgrade to it.

[Yous]

Which AM did you do? AM5? I have read AM5 was really hard, no mercy...but AM6 is softer. I did 3 months of LTU5, and now I am with am6. And is a really good one. I will return in the future with LTU, is a good one and I think I need more time to see more, but am6 is giving some important stuff  is better to be more independent from others opinions and being less affected for them or being less needy. It gives you more control. Even coming from 5.5 g at the beginning I was really really tired, lots of info inside I guess. Doing directly just the seventh stage has to be really really hard.

Just for what I said it's worth am6, but I think I will still get better things from it. Maybe it seems to be not so important, but only that means many more changes in the chain, it is an important change.  

Good luck

[tolgaocal80]

AM6 is a though one for some of us (including me) but the things that triggered and fixed by AM, may not be triggered by LTU, not because of LTU is less powerfull but because AM's concept really different from LTU, I think AM triggers a real deal fear thing , it is want to reach a state of freedom, indepence,. and I believe when people are free from things they really fear. we dont know what to do with this freedom and this causes us depersonalization and depression. may not be true for everyone but for me it is. Will you contuine doing LTU5 until LTU6 came out?
or will you considering starting again AM6 with these achivements you gain with LTU5?
have you done a full run of AM or cutted it out in half?

[Zubrowka]

Which AM did you do? AM5? I have read AM5 was really hard, no mercy...but AM6 is softer. I did 3 months of LTU5, and now I am with am6. And is a really good one. I will return in the future with LTU, is a good one and I think I need more time to see more, but am6 is giving some important stuff is better to be more independent from others opinions and being less affected for them or being less needy. It gives you more control. Even coming from 5.5 g at the beginning I was really really tired, lots of info inside I guess. Doing directly just the seventh stage has to be really really hard.

Just for what I said it's worth am6, but I think I will still get better things from it. Maybe it seems to be not so important, but only that means many more changes in the chain, it is an important change.

Good luck

AM6.

Thanks.

AM6 is a though one for some of us (including me) but the things that triggered and fixed by AM, may not be triggered by LTU, not because of LTU is less powerfull but because AM's concept really different from LTU, I think AM triggers a real deal fear thing , it is want to reach a state of freedom, indepence,. and I believe when people are free from things they really fear. we dont know what to do with this freedom and this causes us depersonalization and depression. may not be true for everyone but for me it is. Will you contuine doing LTU5 until LTU6 came out?
or will you considering starting again AM6 with these achivements you gain with LTU5?
have you done a full run of AM or cutted it out in half?

If LTU6 came out today I would probably buy it. Hard to say how I'm going to act when it's actually out, we'll see..

I don't feel ready for AM yet. I still have some things to deal with regarding my overall mental health before entering the "bootcamp".

I had to stop at stage 3 in my AM run.