DMSI V2.5 Reports based on going out

[4Kingdoms]

Thankfully, Shannon explained why this is happening. It won't be as shocking when it happens again or to someone else listening to 2.5. Thank you for elaborating and thank you Shannon for making us understand why.

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I suppose once the production of testosterone and androstenone balances out, you will have better results!!

[Zeroxmachina]

Yah the men wanting to fight me was very out of the blue for some of them... when woman wasnt even evolved.

Im a pretty small guy and in the past no one ever tried to fight me. Last night out everyone seem to have beef with me when i was just minding my own business. end of the night i walked down a sidewalk going to my car , i get two guys trying to get at me.

While on 2.4V it felt like i was more like my pre-dmsi self. Where men respect me and would move outa my way while i walked etc.... I was getting quite massive resepct in general without sub and i think 2.4V enhanced that.
On 2.5V during a night out they seem to like wanna purposely bump into me to start a fight. I was also at a more business socializing event, men seem to be fine there but of course no one is suppose to get aggressive in a business event.

This one guy just wouldnt stop and he just try to get me to fight him more and more. one point he tried to get a little physical. I ignored him and he tries to tell me hes a doctor. he left when he sees that i really dont gave dam about him.

about rejections, for a few of them seems like girls put a lot more effort into rejecting me. One girl just had to wait a bit and look around to find some random dude and tells me its her bf. this other girl had to make this face expression and body language that she doesn't like me, Ive never seen any girl put that much effrot into this type of BL. Rest of them were just more of a cold non-reactiveness from the girl.

I've been having theories about DMSI and the responses from other men. I feel like maybe what's happening is that human sexuality exists on a continuum, where people can be 'mostly straight',and never question it, or 'mostly gay', or anything in between. I am thinking that these 'respect hits' tend to mean these men are intimidated/attracted to you on a subconscious level,which would affect how they act based on how their conscious mind interprets it.

Obviously a straight guy is not going to try to initiate sex, but they will feel some sort of 'attraction' magnified by the sub,which can translate into aggression or deference depending on whether they find you physically intimidating,location,mood,etc., the inverse side of this is that say a person using the sub is 90% straight,that 10% (which your subconscious is aware of) could still be attracting guys that you find attractive on a subconscious level.

Of course noone wants to hear that, but it's an idea. I would love to have a lesbian test this to see if she experiences more attraction from men, or gets the respect hits and possibly agression.

[chaosvrgn]

I've been having theories about DMSI and the responses from other men. I feel like maybe what's happening is that human sexuality exists on a continuum, where people can be 'mostly straight',and never question it, or 'mostly gay', or anything in between. I am thinking that these 'respect hits' tend to mean these men are intimidated/attracted to you on a subconscious level,which would affect how they act based on how their conscious mind interprets it.

Obviously a straight guy is not going to try to initiate sex, but they will feel some sort of 'attraction' magnified by the sub,which can translate into aggression or deference depending on whether they find you physically intimidating,location,mood,etc., the inverse side of this is that say a person using the sub is 90% straight,that 10% (which your subconscious is aware of) could still be attracting guys that you find attractive on a subconscious level.

Of course noone wants to hear that, but it's an idea. I would love to have a lesbian test this to see if she experiences more attraction from men, or gets the respect hits and possibly agression.

... It's much more likely that you're coming across as a high-value, self-respecting male through your energy signature and the men are recognizing this, thus giving you respect because you respect yourself.

The "threatening" responses are basically the male version of a shit test. You're giving off an "alpha" signature and they're attempting to take that status from you.

Let's be real, we've all seen that "douche gym bro" and decided to a be a lil dickish towards him, assert yourself.

[SargeMaximus]

I've been having theories about DMSI and the responses from other men. I feel like maybe what's happening is that human sexuality exists on a continuum, where people can be 'mostly straight',and never question it, or 'mostly gay', or anything in between. I am thinking that these 'respect hits' tend to mean these men are intimidated/attracted to you on a subconscious level,which would affect how they act based on how their conscious mind interprets it.

I agree with this, especially the continuum part. I've also suspected the same thing about men as you're talking about here.

[Benjamin]

Bulk up, get a black leather jacket and some chains and always carry a switchblade. As soon as somebody challenge you, walk right up to his face and give him a headbutt. Look around for empty bottles in the club and keep a couple on you just in case.

I don't know if this a serious post or not? In my mind I can't comprehend that it is actually real advice. But if it's real that is horrible advice and it's just going to get somebody killed or seriously hurt if they follow it.

Anyway, I had things like guys having a go at me mainly on AM. I come up with some other reasons that seemed to make sense and go along with my experience.

The hormone thing does make some sense. But I also found it was due to certain emotions I was holding onto myself and projecting to the world. Like I had alot of anger, i'd have someone have a go at me during security and i'd react badly and enflame it. But due to all that anger also I would just attract these fights.

Then I dealt with alot of the anger and I attracted way less of it. So I concluded at a deeper level it was a law of attraction type thing due to the dominant emotions I was holding onto.

That could be another reason you haven't considered. Could DMSI be triggering some of these deeper emotions that they are reacting to?

[FluffyBunny]

At 4kingdom:

Hmm. not sure if i am producing testosterone or not , i dont feel more aggressive or any sign of it that i know if.

I had like a few cases during 2.4v one guys told me to either leave the girl or hes gonna beat me up lol but this even happens once in a while with or withou sub if u go out enough times. but on 2.4 90% of guys i still get the good old respect. 2.5 seems like everyones just wanna get at me lol.

At Zero:

could be possible but wouldnt u think that if a person is attracted to you, they would be nice to you? im sure you have seen a really good looking guy. Last thing that comes to mind would be " hey i wanna pick a fight with him".

At chaosvrgn:

That does seem to be the case, but u wouldnt think that if ur that high value people wouldnt wanna try to pick fight with u? They would like wanna get together with you?

Maybe theres a certain point when its too high it becomes threatening ?


At Benjamin:

I dont feel anger towards other guys or people in general.

I only have anger with myself that i am not able to achieve what i want to achieve. So i dont see why others would want to try to fight me when i never have bad intentions for other people.

[Sickologist]

What I'm saying is;

If several guys taunt him many times and try to pick a fight with him, he needs to set them straight. Like he said, he's a small guy. A disadvantage, you just don't know. The stuff he listed were alll massive disrespect.

1. You give the leader of the pack a hard ass headbutt in the place without a warning. Then you walk towards the others with you're ams open like come get some. Sickology says that you only need to be more psycho than the next guy. Most will back down at this point. If you do nothing, they'll keep getting at it.

2. If the bouncers give you shit, tell them anything. "threathned to rape me" "I was protecting myself" "for fucks sake they're 5 guys, I'm alone" And no, you don't need anybodies help.

3. The switchblade and the bottles are there to protect you from getting hurt or killed if things escalate. They probably won't, almost nobody wants to mess with a psycho.

4. My bodybuilder cousin told me something interesting, he weighs 120 kgs all muscle. He said that more guys were trying to pick fights with him because they wanted to test themselves against a bigger guy. That's not the case here.

5. You need to cultivate confrontational skills so that people learn not to fuck with you. It could be an aura thing. If you look like you're easy to mess with, they'll try. Good news is, they're a bucnh of pussies for picking on a smaller guy who's alone.

6. If someone calls you a "faggott", walk right up to him and give him a headbutt and throw his ass on the ground and then walk towards his friends with your arms open.

At least, that's what I did. Nobody messes with me now. I don't even have a criminal record, just know what to say and how to act when the cops come. Bouncers have no real power so nevermind them. "I carry this knife ever since this guy tried to rob me and slashed me with his knife". They'll get it.

The idea behind all of this, I'd rather burn this entire world before anybody sees me on the ground bleeding getting stomped by a bunch of pussies. This ain't about starting trouble, but ending it when it finds you. It's not always roses and sunshine

[AriGold]

Sicko, this seems to me like the worst advice here.
Ever.

It might play out good. But if you misinterpreted the other ones and one is more psycho than you are trying to appear, you're done. And for what? To prove your ego?

[Sickologist]

You're completely missing the point.

What's the motivation for 5 guys to mess with a smaller guy and keep going at it. It could be a domination demonstration. Psycho's don't demonstrate their power, they act on impulse.

Psycho's don't taunt people. Psycho's greet you with a smile, then get you drun and then get you somewhere quite where they can have their fun with you.

It's pretty easy to interpret what happened, some guys tried to dominate him and he let them. That made them continue.

In my experience, when I go crazy on a guy,nobody dares to fuck with me, guys treat me with respect, and girls show more attraction.

I've been in these situations enough times to see what's going on.

[Shannon]

It is rare that I agree with Sick, but he does understand the psychology of this sort of situation. The most dangerous creature gets the most respect - and the most distance. One doesn't wade into a swarm of Man-O-War jellyfish carelessly, for instance.

Not necessarily an effective approach for all personality types; but for Sick's personality type, it woks well.

You should elaborate on how not to end up with a criminal record following this advice, Sick.

[Have at ye]

Yeah, acting like a psycho works wonders. You can even pretend to be criminally insane. You do that well enough, you won't even have to beat anyone up to make "tough guys" stay away from you.

F. in., a friend of mine managed to avoid a serious beating by threatening the guys who were attacking him that he will vomit on them. He put his finger down his throat to induce vomiting and all. They ran away instantly.

What I like to do, personally, when in a tight spot, is a mixture of these two types of behavior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgjbBNTQq5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1l5YaenEx8 - do this especially when your opponent is bigger than you. Here she actually explains what she does by the end of the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM9MKLTyD8w

For actual scuffles, knives are extremely dangerous. I'd recommend pepper spray, actually, if you're unwilling to risk a knife-fight (though it might be my culture speaking - you use a knife where I'm from, even in self defense, yo ass goin' to prison most probably. We've got retarded self-defense laws).

[JackOfHearts]

Those retards laws are protecting everyone from acquiring bigger weapon as a fear response from others threats. You will always find a bigger a weapon, it start with a bottle, then a knife then a 9mm, etc.
I'm glad I live in a country where fire arm a not authorized for the public. Where I live the worst you can see is someone getting stab and the guy end up in prison for it. This may sounds cool to protect you to have a weapon, but if you have those weapons it means others can do the same, it's just a matter of time before they get it. Same with fighting skills to me. Where I live everyone want to learn martial arts to protect themselves, most doesn't even want to learn it but just do it for survival/fears. It's like a weapon to me, by that I mean everyone can learn it and have those same skill than you. It's a circle that never end until you remove the fears, the more fearful you are the more you want to protect yourself from danger, you end up wasting you time. And worse case scenario you kill someone.

[Have at ye]

Those retards laws are protecting everyone from acquiring bigger weapon as a fear response from others threats. You will always find a bigger a weapon, it start with a bottle, then a knife then a 9mm, etc.
I'm glad I live in a country where fire arm a not authorized for the public. Where I live the worst you can see is someone getting stab and the guy end up in prison for it. This may sounds cool to protect you to have a weapon, but if you have those weapons it means others can do the same, it's just a matter of time before they get it. Same with fighting skills to me. Where I live everyone want to learn martial arts to protect themselves, most doesn't even want to learn it but just do it for survival/fears. It's like a weapon to me, by that I mean everyone can learn it and have those same skill than you. It's a circle that never end until you remove the fears, the more fearful you are the more you want to protect yourself from danger, you end up wasting you time. And worse case scenario you kill someone.

There is some truth to that. Most people I know with too much interest in guns, knives, et al. (usually male), are not really that interested in actually protecting themselves or anything, they just want to feel powerful. The few I know who do it out of necessity actually live in terrible environments, and don't really like talking about it (or are professional criminals).

The best self defense is actually allowing your survival instinct to kick in. Your subconscious will know how to respond to any given situation if you let it - it actually processes all that stuff all the time (that's why I guess fear based resistance, f. in. regarding DMSI, is so freakishly difficult to overcome).

Enough derailing, though.

[RTBoss]

And where I live, that advice could end up putting you in a Raiders of the Lost Ark scenario.