Shannon's Journal Discussion

[eternity]

Considering how freaking painful it is right now, going through resistance and/or healing, I know it's working on something deep. I personally would like to get to the point where the healing short circuits so I know the program has no barriers to achieving the goal. What if reality really is bending around us, but it just takes time for the universe to reflect that?

I'd hate to quit 2.4 prematurely, especially while it's working on something really deep

[chaosvrgn]

Honestly, v2.4 has me so tightly wound up that I'm close to quitting subs altogether. Three weeks of constant resistance now. Self-destructiveness coming out. I've done so well in regards to my weight cut, then just totally destroyed it these last two days. Constant headaches. Unable to work. Constant depression, even though things are looking up. Extreme body dysmorphia.

Debated taking a week break, but I'm going to try and break through.

[4Kingdoms]

Honestly, v2.4 has me so tightly wound up that I'm close to quitting subs altogether. Three weeks of constant resistance now. Self-destructiveness coming out. I've done so well in regards to my weight cut, then just totally destroyed it these last two days. Constant headaches. Unable to work. Constant depression, even though things are looking up. Extreme body dysmorphia.

Debated taking a week break, but I'm going to try and break through.

Do you feel that what you are experiencing would be eliminated without the healing modules?? Is that why you would like to try 2.5?

[Duke.Togo]

Well he did say women have been more aggressively pursuing him and he landed his first girlfriend in 4 years. I'd say that was pretty good. I wish I had a link to his forum posting; I need to dig it out.

Now, while that may not be exactly the same as what you and I are looking for, it suited what he wanted. That can't be ignored.

I don't mean to ignore it at all, don't get me wrong.

I haven't seen that post.

I'm just saying one person getting something on a program proves he may be satisfied, that's great. But when it isn't the end goal of the program, while it IS great, and almost everybody else struggled to see end goal results, I don't know what the benefit is returning to that a second time. It seemed crystal clear clearing was needed to advance. Maybe a longer run on V2.4 will prove to give valuable data, for like 64 days, or until November 1st and then switch to V3.0.1. That could show something unique, as we have yet to run a working aura/clearing version for awhile, due to V2.2 having a script error negating the aura effects. So we aren't sure yet what's possible for a longer term aura/clearing version.

Well, the idea of running the program for a while could also be used as an argument for 2.3. I don't know what the longest anyone ran 2.3 for was, but I don't think anyone ran it for 32 days.

We've had a full month on 2.4, (actually for me it's going on 35 days now), and while the healing has been fun, I would be curious to give DMSI a full run through without the healing. It was my goal to go back to 2.3 after 45 days if I still didn't see results.

I wouldn't mind testing 2.5 - and I only say this because I don't think Shannon knows how long it will be before he will have a chance to build 3.0.

I would only suggest a 2.5 if it doesn't require a lot of time and effort for Shannon to create a build for it. If it's another week or two long project, I agree, I think it would be better served for him and everyone here if he continued to build 3.0.1.

I understand what you're saying, but if people have fears etc. that aren't being dealt with by using V2.5 with no healing, then they aren't likely to suddenly overcome the fears to take action out of nowhere. They can run such a program for months and months, but without dealing with the underlying problems causing the lack of results like fear etc., they aren't likely to get any real benefit aside from placebo or confirmation bias. Just seems like a waste of time if no healing is the only change, even if it isn't and he adds a few things, the benefit still seems very questionable to give up healing in exchange.

We'll see what he says and does, but I hope he ultimately decides to concentrate on V3 being the best program it can be instead and we get that end of this month or early November at the latest as that's starting to drag on now a bit. Rather than another no healing module program.

I think if Shannon does release 2.5, and it takes a day for him to build it, it would be nothing different than 2.4, except without the healing modules.

Again, I'm not doing anything or moving anywhere for another 10 days, after which I will re-evaluate myself to see how I feel and whether I stay on 2.4 or move to something else, whether that is a 2.5 or 2.3.

Irrespectively, as I mentioned, I don't think people should stop using the current version if another version without healing is released. It could be, as 4Kingdoms said, just to placate us. It could also be for Shannon, some real data for him as well. Ultimately, I will do whatever Shannon recommends or says, because, he knows more about this than I do. I trust the scientist - I'm merely taking part in is trial.

On a final note - welcome back Catman. I haven't seen you post on the forum in a while. It's good to see you posting again.

[4Kingdoms]

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7938-p...#pid136131

Part of why I think 2.5 may be worth releasing is that trying to do all the healing at once may be too much.

[Shannon]

2.5 would have these purposes:

1. Alleviate boredom for some of you.
2. Get me maximum data with minimum effort.
3. Get me a little more time for building 3.0
4. Explore the possibility that healing in stages may work better.

[Duke.Togo]

http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-7938-p...#pid136131

Part of why I think 2.5 may be worth releasing is that trying to do all the healing at once may be too much.

This makes sense. A lot of sense. I've been in a mental funk for two weeks now. Couldn't put my finger on why. My resistance has been kind of strange for me, but that could be because I'm new to subs. But whatever it is that's happening - It's left me feeling... incomplete and reclusive.

[chaosvrgn]

Honestly, v2.4 has me so tightly wound up that I'm close to quitting subs altogether. Three weeks of constant resistance now. Self-destructiveness coming out. I've done so well in regards to my weight cut, then just totally destroyed it these last two days. Constant headaches. Unable to work. Constant depression, even though things are looking up. Extreme body dysmorphia.

Debated taking a week break, but I'm going to try and break through.

Do you feel that what you are experiencing would be eliminated without the healing modules?? Is that why you would like to try 2.5?

Yes -- I'd like a short reprieve from the healing / clearing without having to quit the sub or revert to v2.3. That is, if v2.5 is just v2.4 without healing. AND, if v2.5 won't take too much time to build. Shannon mentioned before that it'd literally take a day to untag the healing modules and build -- that alone completely eliminates this "let's keep him focused on v3" argument. Remember, it seems that you notice the effects of healing subs the most after you stop running it. So, while I may not have reached a "day one" level yet, I may be clear enough to fare better on v2.5 than I did on v2.3.

It's worth the test. It allows Shannon to see how well the new targeted healing modules are working. If I get even decent results, that'll be an upgrade from v2.3's results, which gave me crazy get internal results but ghosted a ton of women from my life.

On the flipside, v2.3's manifestations were INSANE. Last night, I even had a memory resurface of #3 blatantly trying to get me to take her back to my house. I totally missed the opportunity and that's probably why she vanished -- incongruency. There was a moment when we were cuddling in my favorite bar where she kept "accidentally" sliding her hand over my crotch. Then, she asked me what my favorite movie was. I told her it was Unbreakable, by M. Night Shyamalan. She got excited and said, "let's watch it! I'm serious." Stuck in my head, I thought she meant in the future (since she had to work the next morning). In retrospect, I see she meant right then. To me, that IS the program goal -- she was trying to get me alone, and I fucking bungled it.

Anyway, I think it's worth giving v2.5 a try. I'm not anti-healing, and I'll jump back on v2.4 if 2.5 does nothing, but there's really no real reason to oppose the release of v2.5.

[4Kingdoms]

I think Shannon has decided that 2.5 is going to happen. The question is when??

[Shannon]

I think Shannon has decided that 2.5 is going to happen. The question is when??

And the answer is... now. Got to get to the office first, but let's do this.

[RTBoss]

I think it'd be interesting to run 2.5 for a few days, then switch back to 2.4 for a few days, back-and-forth.

[RTBoss]

I think Shannon has decided that 2.5 is going to happen. The question is when??

And the answer is... now. Got to get to the office first, but let's do this.

Cool. Add in a line, "If your Subliminal-Talk.com handle is RTBoss, you now last at least 3 minutes in bed." Thanks.

[THolt]

I think Shannon has decided that 2.5 is going to happen. The question is when??

And the answer is... now. Got to get to the office first, but let's do this.

So what will your action item on your list after 2.5 just out of curiosity?

I hope you you are recovering from your recent bouts of illness.

[CatMan]

Since I'm one of the hard gainers you need information from for testing to refine the product not only for me but for others similar, I guess I have to switch then. Alright then, that's the end of that.

@Duke Yes, I've stayed up to date with Shannon's threads, but otherwise steered clear, even of my own journal for a long time. Lots of unread posts in there. Very tired of it all now to be honest. Thank you for the kind words.