Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Duke.Togo]

My question is the overall changes in the program versions between 2.3 and 2.4

From product page:

V2.4 Adjustments/additions:

Many tweaks in many different areas of the script and modules.
Added and optimized SEBAM tech module.
Added and optimized MAFE tech module.
Addedand optimized RIFX tech module.
Added added and optimized MIIX tech module.
Tripled the number of statements in the SATT module.
Enabled SVX and focused it on achieving the goals ofthe program.
Optimized ATMX module.
Enabled the OGSF module and all related sub-modules, and focused them on achieving the goals of the program.
Added the surprise.
Heavily modified and optimized the goal phrasing.

That's the technology and also why I mentioned the product page.

EDIT: The surprise is P3

These are significant enough changes that if a version was released without the clearing modules, the effects of the program would definitely be very different than v2.3 of DMSI.

If Shannon does release it, it would be interesting to see how much more or less the program is effective at reaching its goals.

Although, I believe it was Bookstacks that mentioned the energy sourcing. I would have to agree with him. That alone may be the missing piece in all of this, regardless of with or without clearing modules.

[Duke.Togo]

It's strange to see such resistance to healing modules, especially since they are short circuiting in nature when not needed, so they literally aren't impeding you in any way. This could all just be them trying to resist dealing with whatever they have buried underneath, though.

Unless those modules don't short circuiting and Shannon want to check that.

Then V2.3 would've been a step forward in results, but it wasn't. So it seems the test was already done and feedback showed they weren't in the way. And the reason V2.2 failed was because of a discovered script error, not the healing modules. They were red herrings. So I just feel this test would be redundant, and am hesitant to go off the healing benefits of V2.4 due to that is all.

I exchanged a few messages with Bogdy and he also posted on the forum before - he stayed with v2.3 and he said that he had amazing results. It took 3 weeks for the program to kick in for him, but he said that after that his results on 2.3 had been solid.

It could be that we never gave that version enough time to get a proper test from.

[Shawn]

It's strange to see such resistance to healing modules, especially since they are short circuiting in nature when not needed, so they literally aren't impeding you in any way. This could all just be them trying to resist dealing with whatever they have buried underneath, though.

Unless those modules don't short circuiting and Shannon want to check that.

Then V2.3 would've been a step forward in results, but it wasn't. So it seems the test was already done and feedback showed they weren't in the way. And the reason V2.2 failed was because of a discovered script error, not the healing modules. They were red herrings. So I just feel this test would be redundant, and am hesitant to go off the healing benefits of V2.4 due to that is all.

There are two points which would make 2.5 interesting. First, the advanced technology in comparison to 2.3, which might help with reaching the goal even with some things to clear left. Second, most users did run 2.4 for about a month (and more than a month until release). So this could have been enough healing for some to see at least some kind of results.

[CatMan]

It's strange to see such resistance to healing modules, especially since they are short circuiting in nature when not needed, so they literally aren't impeding you in any way. This could all just be them trying to resist dealing with whatever they have buried underneath, though.

Unless those modules don't short circuiting and Shannon want to check that.

Then V2.3 would've been a step forward in results, but it wasn't. So it seems the test was already done and feedback showed they weren't in the way. And the reason V2.2 failed was because of a discovered script error, not the healing modules. They were red herrings. So I just feel this test would be redundant, and am hesitant to go off the healing benefits of V2.4 due to that is all.

I exchanged a few messages with Bogdy and he also posted on the forum before - he stayed with v2.3 and he said that he had amazing results. It took 3 weeks for the program to kick in for him, but he said that after that his results on 2.3 had been solid.

It could be that we never gave that version enough time to get a proper test from.

"Amazing results". As in, getting aggressively pursued for sex by attractive women and having sex with them easily? That's the program goal, let's not get distracted by vague hyperbole. I'm not being ignorant, just trying to be clear and objective, accurate is all.

[CatMan]

It's strange to see such resistance to healing modules, especially since they are short circuiting in nature when not needed, so they literally aren't impeding you in any way. This could all just be them trying to resist dealing with whatever they have buried underneath, though.

Unless those modules don't short circuiting and Shannon want to check that.

Then V2.3 would've been a step forward in results, but it wasn't. So it seems the test was already done and feedback showed they weren't in the way. And the reason V2.2 failed was because of a discovered script error, not the healing modules. They were red herrings. So I just feel this test would be redundant, and am hesitant to go off the healing benefits of V2.4 due to that is all.

There are two points which would make 2.5 interesting. First, the advanced technology in comparison to 2.3, which might help with reaching the goal even with some things to clear left. Second, most users did run 2.4 for about a month (and more than a month until release). So this could have been enough healing for some to see at least some kind of results.

But if there has been enough healing taking place for V2.4 to work, then it would be working, negating the need for V2.5. And again, the healing modules short circuit when not needed, so they aren't impeding progress towards the goal. If they were getting in the way, then V2.3 would have been shown as a big step forward in performance, from V2.4, but it wasn't.

I don't know, no matter how you slice it, especially since the no healing modules version was already made and shown to not be a step forward, I'm not sure what the benefit is here. Seems to make more sense in making sure V3.0.1 is lights out, and a major step forward, rather than rehashing an already done test. Maybe another month of V2.4 will show more at this point.

[Shawn]

But if there has been enough healing taking place for V2.4 to work, then it would be working, negating the need for V2.5. And again, the healing modules short circuit when not needed, so they aren't impeding progress towards the goal.

They only do when healing is complete. But there might be enough cleared to see results but not enough for disabling healing. That's probably also why Shannon want to see if there is a difference. Don't get me wrong, I am all for healing because I need it, but I see it as interesting.

[Duke.Togo]

It's strange to see such resistance to healing modules, especially since they are short circuiting in nature when not needed, so they literally aren't impeding you in any way. This could all just be them trying to resist dealing with whatever they have buried underneath, though.

Unless those modules don't short circuiting and Shannon want to check that.

Then V2.3 would've been a step forward in results, but it wasn't. So it seems the test was already done and feedback showed they weren't in the way. And the reason V2.2 failed was because of a discovered script error, not the healing modules. They were red herrings. So I just feel this test would be redundant, and am hesitant to go off the healing benefits of V2.4 due to that is all.

I exchanged a few messages with Bogdy and he also posted on the forum before - he stayed with v2.3 and he said that he had amazing results. It took 3 weeks for the program to kick in for him, but he said that after that his results on 2.3 had been solid.

It could be that we never gave that version enough time to get a proper test from.

"Amazing results". As in, getting aggressively pursued for sex by attractive women and having sex with them easily? That's the program goal, let's not get distracted by vague hyperbole. I'm not being ignorant, just trying to be clear and objective, accurate is all.

Well he did say women have been more aggressively pursuing him and he landed his first girlfriend in 4 years. I'd say that was pretty good. I wish I had a link to his forum posting; I need to dig it out.

Now, while that may not be exactly the same as what you and I are looking for, it suited what he wanted. That can't be ignored.

[4Kingdoms]

I've been reading v2.4 journals and there seems to be 2 groups.
Group 1 is patiently healing and waiting for the goal to kick in.
Group 2 is actively approaching women they are interested in.

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While I admire Group 2's tenacity... I'm astonished that they still crash and burn with all their effort. In their defense, they admit that the healing in 2.4 has allowed them to do amazing things with their game.

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I am curious to know if 2.5 (if released) would help Group 2 reach the goal of DMSI or if they stopped approaching altogether because the lack of healing.

[CatMan]

Well he did say women have been more aggressively pursuing him and he landed his first girlfriend in 4 years. I'd say that was pretty good. I wish I had a link to his forum posting; I need to dig it out.

Now, while that may not be exactly the same as what you and I are looking for, it suited what he wanted. That can't be ignored.

I don't mean to ignore it at all, don't get me wrong.

I haven't seen that post.

I'm just saying one person getting something on a program proves he may be satisfied, that's great. But when it isn't the end goal of the program, while it IS great, and almost everybody else struggled to see end goal results, I don't know what the benefit is returning to that a second time. It seemed crystal clear clearing was needed to advance. Maybe a longer run on V2.4 will prove to give valuable data, for like 64 days, or until November 1st and then switch to V3.0.1. That could show something unique, as we have yet to run a working aura/clearing version for awhile, due to V2.2 having a script error negating the aura effects. So we aren't sure yet what's possible for a longer term aura/clearing version.

[Duke.Togo]

Well he did say women have been more aggressively pursuing him and he landed his first girlfriend in 4 years. I'd say that was pretty good. I wish I had a link to his forum posting; I need to dig it out.

Now, while that may not be exactly the same as what you and I are looking for, it suited what he wanted. That can't be ignored.

I don't mean to ignore it at all, don't get me wrong.

I haven't seen that post.

I'm just saying one person getting something on a program proves he may be satisfied, that's great. But when it isn't the end goal of the program, while it IS great, and almost everybody else struggled to see end goal results, I don't know what the benefit is returning to that a second time. It seemed crystal clear clearing was needed to advance. Maybe a longer run on V2.4 will prove to give valuable data, for like 64 days, or until November 1st and then switch to V3.0.1. That could show something unique, as we have yet to run a working aura/clearing version for awhile, due to V2.2 having a script error negating the aura effects. So we aren't sure yet what's possible for a longer term aura/clearing version.

Well, the idea of running the program for a while could also be used as an argument for 2.3. I don't know what the longest anyone ran 2.3 for was, but I don't think anyone ran it for 32 days.

We've had a full month on 2.4, (actually for me it's going on 35 days now), and while the healing has been fun, I would be curious to give DMSI a full run through without the healing. It was my goal to go back to 2.3 after 45 days if I still didn't see results.

I wouldn't mind testing 2.5 - and I only say this because I don't think Shannon knows how long it will be before he will have a chance to build 3.0.

I would only suggest a 2.5 if it doesn't require a lot of time and effort for Shannon to create a build for it. If it's another week or two long project, I agree, I think it would be better served for him and everyone here if he continued to build 3.0.1.

[4Kingdoms]

I would only suggest a 2.5 if it doesn't require a lot of time and effort for Shannon to create a build for it. If it's another week or two long project, I agree, I think it would be better served for him and everyone here if he continued to build 3.0.1.

I totally agree with this. I think Shannon wants to release 2.5 to pacify us to give him more time to work on 3.0.1. I would prefer he focuses all his energy on releasing 3.0.1.

[chaosvrgn]

Amazing Results != Achieving Program Goals.

We're not going to go from zero to hero without lots of trial and error. If Shannon wants to build v2.5, clearly he has reasons for it.

EDIT: Not to mention, if he's just removing the healing modules, he's said before that it won't take more than a day to build.

[CatMan]

Well he did say women have been more aggressively pursuing him and he landed his first girlfriend in 4 years. I'd say that was pretty good. I wish I had a link to his forum posting; I need to dig it out.

Now, while that may not be exactly the same as what you and I are looking for, it suited what he wanted. That can't be ignored.

I don't mean to ignore it at all, don't get me wrong.

I haven't seen that post.

I'm just saying one person getting something on a program proves he may be satisfied, that's great. But when it isn't the end goal of the program, while it IS great, and almost everybody else struggled to see end goal results, I don't know what the benefit is returning to that a second time. It seemed crystal clear clearing was needed to advance. Maybe a longer run on V2.4 will prove to give valuable data, for like 64 days, or until November 1st and then switch to V3.0.1. That could show something unique, as we have yet to run a working aura/clearing version for awhile, due to V2.2 having a script error negating the aura effects. So we aren't sure yet what's possible for a longer term aura/clearing version.

Well, the idea of running the program for a while could also be used as an argument for 2.3. I don't know what the longest anyone ran 2.3 for was, but I don't think anyone ran it for 32 days.

We've had a full month on 2.4, (actually for me it's going on 35 days now), and while the healing has been fun, I would be curious to give DMSI a full run through without the healing. It was my goal to go back to 2.3 after 45 days if I still didn't see results.

I wouldn't mind testing 2.5 - and I only say this because I don't think Shannon knows how long it will be before he will have a chance to build 3.0.

I would only suggest a 2.5 if it doesn't require a lot of time and effort for Shannon to create a build for it. If it's another week or two long project, I agree, I think it would be better served for him and everyone here if he continued to build 3.0.1.

I understand what you're saying, but if people have fears etc. that aren't being dealt with by using V2.5 with no healing, then they aren't likely to suddenly overcome the fears to take action out of nowhere. They can run such a program for months and months, but without dealing with the underlying problems causing the lack of results like fear etc., they aren't likely to get any real benefit aside from placebo or confirmation bias. Just seems like a waste of time if no healing is the only change, even if it isn't and he adds a few things, the benefit still seems very questionable to give up healing in exchange.

We'll see what he says and does, but I hope he ultimately decides to concentrate on V3 being the best program it can be instead and we get that end of this month or early November at the latest as that's starting to drag on now a bit. Rather than another no healing module program.

[RTBoss]

I really think the clearing of 2.4 just needs more time. Can the resistance get hairy at times? Certainly, but I've been feeling a ton better the past few days. I was getting IOIs off the charts last night at the country concert. There were two women nearby I thought were smokin' hot. They were the only two women who eventually stared me down, again and again, like a piece of man-meat. I couldn't believe it. In fact, I was the one who shut it all down because I started getting scared that they'd notice I was looking - when my wife was sitting right next to me. My thoughts went something like this, "Man, these women are going to think I'm a real piece of shit for looking at them when it's clear I'm married." The one was probably younger than 20 y/o, the other probably mid-20's - with an engagement ring on her finger.

Anyway, another time I went to get a beer and as I was coming back to my seat, I saw this hot chick coming up the stairs. She gets two feet from me, makes this huge-goofy-smile, and holds her hand up for a high five. So I gave her a high-five, lol. If I had been single, I would have turned on my heel and started a conversation with her.

In other words, I'm healing - I'm feeling better - and this script is executing here and there. In other areas, not-so-much. For instance, the part of the script that gets the chick to provide you maximum sexual pleasure? I think that's backfiring on me. I'm almost positive it's giving me PE. I had sex with my wife last night, after coaxing (she also refused oral - no surprise but I wanted to test the sub), and I couldn't last 30 fucking seconds. It's starting to get fucking embarrassing. This never happens to me. It's like the maximum sexual pleasure thing is giving me such pleasure - BOOM - it's over!