(05-12-2017, 06:58 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: I wanted to chime in because so many recommend pua to catman
Pua will give you only a short superficial boost, sooner or later all puas become defeated and settle down with a ***** See mystery, Kyle trouble etc
Reading books on pua is like reading books on martial arts its just like 10% theory boost but it alone will never make you a good fighter
Amen Dzemoo.
I'll never forget when I saw David Deangelo's, excuse me, Eben Pagan's, wife.
It seems to mostly paper over cracks. Or, most of them are simply internet marketers, very good at pinging guy's insecurities to make money. I lost a lot of faith in them after seeing "conquests" or their women, and not feeling attraction towards them at all. In Eben's case, that was absolutely true, but others as well. And many only spammed the narrative about clubbing, drinking, approaching etc., nothing about actually dating or going beyond that initial stage. It seemed to be so shallow, no real substance to WHAT to do beyond that, so I figured they either had no clue beyond that, or that wasn't as easy to sell and stopped wasting my time.
There's only a few I found that actually had results or a vibe I found truly genuine. And I had one on one personal coaching with many high end ones, so I had close range perspective most don't. Brent Smith seems to be DMSI personified, if I had to recommend ONE at this point that seems to make sense and seems to be sustainable or believable. I went through a period awhile ago where I downloaded a ton of his free videos and put them in a folder for viewing once in awhile to help build the mindset. Overall now, I just steer clear of it all to keep things simple and I don't have nearly the drive to consume info to pursue women etc. anymore since starting this program. I tend to let DMSI do it's thing, and simply continue putting myself around attractive women and when/if it breaks through with them, I'll know I've moved to the next level. I've been patient awaiting that since starting a year ago, maybe it will happen soon with V3.2, or earlier, or with V3.3, I don't know.
EDIT: Hey D.Ace!
Oh yeah man, most of my buddies either got married to the first girl who paid them attention and massively married down due to desperation, or are dating/shacked up with girls in the same situation, lol. Plus, you tend to lose contact with guys in relationships, you know how it is! So, I have to be real, none of those guys are guys I'd think of as mentors, unless it's in a "This is what not to do" lens. The closest I've had to "good" mentors were bad boys that I was good friends with in high school/college, lol. For some reason, I'd be buddies with them a lot, not sure how that worked out. I'd regularly watch them have like 5 on the go, major hotties too. Just crazy stuff going on, even one guy that was engaged to two girls at once, lmao, long story. All of that likely contributed to my bad beliefs about myself, and women, and why I have issues too. Watching that all play out over years did my head in, it was insane how it worked, it was beyond belief to me. I felt so outclassed, and out of touch by being a decent dude and getting nothing, and them lining these girls up. Created some bad beliefs, of course, but I couldn't deny reality happening right in front of me and what seemed to be deadly effective with women...I've often wondered at times if we could just strip all the nice snowflake PC BS out and try a sub like that, creating exactly what they are drawn to like a moth to a flame, and see what happens. I mean, I do tend to wonder about just who exactly can be attracted to us when this works, especially with the anti-sniper, I don't know a hot girl that doesn't have some form of emotional issues. So, looking for these gorgeous, perfect unicorns seems to possibly explain why results are so few and far between. I do wonder if the program is getting too aspirational, and unrealistic. We could be pricing ourselves right out of the market, or not having enough human edge or ability to connect due to this or whatever to get any attraction going.
I tried Pandora's Box a long time ago, which is what I assume you are referring to. I found it intriguing, but too difficult to apply in real life to any effect. Not to say it wasn't illuminating about the different types of women per se, but I found it hard to use. Others may gain benefit though.
I am active socially, extroverted, life of the party guy. My experience on DMSI though, has been that it has felt the same with women, as before. Still great vibes and all that, I just don't seem to "see" any increased sexual attraction from them, or any increased attempts to seduce me or date me or what not. Nothing jumps out, after well over a year of use, I figured I'd have a ton of experiences matching that now, but that hasn't happened. So, I certainly DO put myself out there, I just haven't experienced anything to openly tell me I'm getting any reaction from women clearly is all. I don't fit the stereotypical mold of the shy nice guy introvert, is what I mean. So, it must be a combination of my past holding me back with bad beliefs or fear etc., mixed with the program not being strong enough to make women blatantly take action. I'm still unsure it's even possible to make that happen, I guess we'll see!