BIABW is awesome.

[SargeMaximus]

Why is that? Just because I'm exercising free will now everyone must do the same for everything? The world doesn't work that way I'm afraid.

The important thing for ME is that you can do whatever you want, there is no should or should not. Only what YOU personally think YOU should or should not do. You are allowed to make that moral stand on yourself, you are not, imo, allowed to make that stand for anyone else.

Do I make stand for everyone? I don't want people to thing and do I am do. I ask people to have conscious and don't act like apes. You have mind, use it. I know it's a high order for many people, but I still have hope for humanity. Or at least for 1 person in a thousand. What I mean is that for example from before if you wanna have sex with whomever you want go ahead, but do this while in none or open relationship, don't break your vows, don't be a hypocrite, don't hurt anyone nor strain anyone's trust while having said sex. It is much to ask, I know, but I still have hopes high. If I sounded authoritative it was because I believe people might be honest like that. Silly me.

It is silly of you, people are people. However, I'm not saying that I, personally, would lie. I fully believe in being honest as well, I'm simply saying there's no reason to get bent out of shape when other people are acting contrary to what you think they should. In the end, you (and I) are not that important, and people can (and will) do what they want. We don't have a right to dictate how our entire species should conduct itself.

Totally, but WHY must we not give in to our programming?

Yeah, maybe we should like billions people out there, living, eating, having sex, obeying law etc. without much thought or recollection. It is not path for me, but this rebellion comes from within, cannot force anyone to it.

Also isn't it funny how we are trying right now to modify our programming? I mean with subs and PSTEC and whatnot. Quite funny come to think of it. As if we knew we cannot escape it fully, so at least we're doing an upgrade.

You still haven't answered me: WHY must we not give in to our programming? Do you even know or are you just acting out emotionally?

Not quite sure what you're saying here, but I think you're saying "we should do the best we can". I agree with that. I also believe everyone is doing the best they can at any given time with the information/experiences they have. Granted, you can always choose to make a change, but even then, there are so many emotions, so many thoughts and experiences, we're lucky we are even sane enough to walk down the road without killing or being killed.

It was continuation of my "you're human, don't act like an animal and take responsibility" train of thought. But you summed it up very well Reason why people don't always "do their best" and improve is because change is hard while stasis (lack of change) is familiar and "safe", don't you agree?

Ah I see, yes I do agree change is hard (thought of that today as a matter of fact). It is what it is. It's not morally wrong, just the nature of human beings. And again, once we understand that, we can live consciously, unlike most who ARE on autopilot. I try not to be too hard on them because I used to be that way at times too (and still am).

Lol, well I'm sure superman is VERY popular with the ladies. Man of Steel and all that Wink

But yeah, exactly. We aspire to greatness, and do the best we can. We learn from our mistakes, and hopefully improve. Such is life. Forgiveness is key as is acceptance and understanding. Once you realize you are an animal, it's easier to recognize your impulses.

I didn't decide to abstain from ejaculation till this year, and, interestingly, I had been under the belief that man was something more than animals up till about 3 years ago. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it's not. Point is: we're doing the best we can.

Yes, that understanding is very, very important. I think information about subconscious and instincts, our reptilian and mammal brain should be taught in schools as important topic because people don't understand it almost at all how brain works. And I know many ideas in this forum are unorthodox, but this is early XX century science stuff pioneered by Freud and others. Why something known for a century in a scientific way is still mystery to the masses?

Optimistic point at the end of the post, I like that

Oh I know, it's crazy how much has changed yet morality and social norms remain quite the same in many areas.

But as for school, where would you start? lol. Would you start teaching kids about the reptillian brain? Or maybe the ego? Or maybe Jung's "Shadow"? I mean, I just think there's too much to cover, and it can ALL be beneficial at some point. Life is too vast to be able to decide what tools will help someone on their journey or not.

When it comes to that, I just have faith that "life will find a way" and realize that when there is a need to adapt and grow, the survivors will, and the evolutionary dead-ends will not. I found these subs, can't even remember how, but it was just what I needed. That's totally how life seems to unfold. Don't know about you, but when I realize that, my need for humanity to "change" is met by the realization that it is, and does everyday.

Also, I don't watch the news, so maybe that helps lol.