BIABW is awesome.

[SargeMaximus]

Overcoming your biological needs? lol. Like eating eh? Or how bout sleep? Or deification? Or breathing, or sweating, or digesting food, or dreaming, or drinking water, or reproducing or any number of other things.

They CAN be overcome. Should they? That's up to you.

Taking into consideration bar in your signature they should But I digress. Important thing is that you can do it indeed.

Why is that? Just because I'm exercising free will now everyone must do the same for everything? The world doesn't work that way I'm afraid.

The important thing for ME is that you can do whatever you want, there is no should or should not. Only what YOU personally think YOU should or should not do. You are allowed to make that moral stand on yourself, you are not, imo, allowed to make that stand for anyone else.

Who says we're programmed? Then again, even if we are, why must we NOT?

Programming was continuation of my thought of being slaves to our urges, won't argue about it as it wasn't my point, even if topic is fascinating indeed

Totally, but WHY must we not give in to our programming?

People are hypocrites almost by definition, not even thinking about it. Myself included.

Exactly, it's part of life, best to accept it. You're not "bad" for being a hypocryte, just a human being.

I agree that we can go for open marriages, but just because someone is not as "controlled" as you say they should be, doesn't mean there will cease to be cheating and whatnot. In the end, we ARE just animals.

YES, we CAN overcome it, but not everyone knows this, and even the ones who do, can't control every little thing.

Can you control yourself 100% of the time for the moral right side of things? Or do you get angry sometimes? Maybe you lust after a married woman. Don't pretend to be a saint, and don't expect others to be. Accept your an animal, and aspire to greatness if you must, but never forget what you are.

I get angry a lot, last post is sadly good example of that. I'm not a saint either. We are animals, we cannot control fully our emotions, fears, longings ect.

I want to recognize you for that realization, very humble of you.

I just think it doesn't justifies us to blame everything on instinct and subconscious. After all it is the conscious, part of us animals don't have or have extremely limited, that controls us and it can override other parts of oneself. It is hard as we are not design to it (it's easier to go on subconscious' autopilot), but it can be done.

Not quite sure what you're saying here, but I think you're saying "we should do the best we can". I agree with that. I also believe everyone is doing the best they can at any given time with the information/experiences they have. Granted, you can always choose to make a change, but even then, there are so many emotions, so many thoughts and experiences, we're lucky we are even sane enough to walk down the road without killing or being killed.

Aspiring to greatness and our discussion reminded me of this:

What is the ape to man? A laughing-stock, a thing of shame. And just the same shall man be to the Superman: a laughing-stock, a thing of shame.

I don't think he meant that in context of sex however

Lol, well I'm sure superman is VERY popular with the ladies. Man of Steel and all that

But yeah, exactly. We aspire to greatness, and do the best we can. We learn from our mistakes, and hopefully improve. Such is life. Forgiveness is key as is acceptance and understanding. Once you realize you are an animal, it's easier to recognize your impulses.

I didn't decide to abstain from ejaculation till this year, and, interestingly, I had been under the belief that man was something more than animals up till about 3 years ago. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it's not. Point is: we're doing the best we can.