07-05-2013, 04:31 PM
Quote:My point was once I believe for e.g. that I'm beautiful and I go out and I experience people saying I'm not then I can reframe it at that moment and tell myself that no I'm beautiful or I'm good with women and give no importance to their opinion then the affirmations will stay but also once I truly believe that then the outer reality will change too.
I'm not entirely sure if it's "believe" or "have fully accepted as true at a subconscious level", or if there is any difference between the two.
Quote:Do u mean that using these subs even for 6 months straight, those affirmations are not truly believed by subconscious? If they're believed then its done unless in the meantime u r consciously thinking 24/7 negative.
You ask that question as if it has a simple answer. Humans are complex and dynamic systems, and there is never a simple answer when dealing with humans in depth. It is possible to use a subliminal for 6 months straight and have it not fully accepted yet, and it is possible that it can be. The outcome depends on what condition the subject's mind is in program wise when the subliminal program is started, how the program is used, what the program touches on, if it is addressing all issues that interconnect, how much guilt/shame/fear there is in connection with any, some or all of the script, and on and on. That is why for some things it takes multiple run-throughs of even 6 stage sets to achieve full permanence or result.
Quote:I want to use alpha male, the script that's in 'store' isn't complete script?
The script for AM isn't listed at all. You can see what the program is designed to do, but six stage sets use a proprietary scripting method that I am not going to reveal for my competition to casually steal, so I don't release the scripts for multi-stage programs.
Quote:We're using affirmations 24/7 anyway. Affirmations are just thoughts. I don't think anyone consciously chooses to be negative, they want to be positive but due to habit and conditioning, there is resistance.
By definition, an affirmation is something you consciously repeat to affirm it and enhance it's accepted-as-true-ness. Casual thoughts do have a similar effect, but are not technically affirmations, even though they can act in much the same way.
You would be surprised at how many people consciously choose to be negative because it very obviously gets them what they want: pity, attention, the perception of safety from something, repulsion of those who would disagree with their belief system, etc.
Quote:So if I'm using alpha male and my thoughts are the complete opposite of what the subs are saying then maybe the subs won't work or take longer? On the other hand if I'm consciously using affirmations that is affirming my new reality then the process might speed up?
With enough usage, the subs will always work. For ~98% of people, it is just a matter of building a bigger pile of repetitions than what previously existed. For the other two percent, it's also about resisting the perception of losing control of themselves. For that 2%, more time may not have any impact because they are subconsciously afraid to allow themselves to be influenced. I certainly didn't start off where I am, AM brought me here. It took multiple run-throughs, but I'm here. The man I am now, because of AM, was absolutely unthinkable for me when I started with it.
Consciously affirming the new reality can cause the effects to speed up because then you are acting on the conscious mind. But the use of conscious affirmations usually only rresults in placebo effect unless you spend massive amounts of time doing ridiculous amounts of repetitions of your affirmations, or you do your affirmations in a state of Alpha or Theta brainwave dominance.
Quote:Of course all my affirmations are positive but even that can interfere with subs as I don't know the full script for e.g. if I'm telling myself that I'm kind and the subs for alpha the opposite then it won't work? Or if I've an image of a nice man then that would change?
The primary issue is that everyone thinks they know how to word a script or an affirmation, but that is rarely the case in my observation. Affirmations benefit from the same thing hypnosis does, in that the conscious mind can translate for the subconscious. But if you use both, even then, you may have a conflict of affirmation to subliminal script if you are not understanding something, or how to do something, which contradicts something I have in my subliminal script.
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The scientist has a question to find an answer for. The pseudo-scientist has an answer to find a question for. ~ "Failure is the path of least persistence." - Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ Logic left. Emotion right. But thinking, straight ahead. ~ Sperate supra omnia in valorem. (The value of trust is above all else.) ~ Meowsomeness!