Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 8

[Shannon]

Primal Masulinity.

Awesome, this one is the first program i've been excited about for a while. I look forward to reading the full description.

I'm partly conflicted about the no healing part, but at this point I have no desire to do any sorely healing focused program again as i'm sick of doing so. Unless it's a program that utilyzes healing as a way to move towards the goals of the program.

But general healing programs, I realized it seems to just be a way for me to stay stuck and have an excuse to stay stuck and it seemed to just go around and around and i'd start a different program then be like "oh shit I need more healing". (This doesn't exclude physical healing, just emotional).

My previous favourite program funnily enough was UH, I guess that it was because it had physical healing too and helped me in a few areas. And my favourite before that was LTU.

I have to say OGSF v2 has been my least favourite in a very long time and there's very little chance i'd go back to it.

You define what "primal masculinity" is.  Then you go after it.  I'm not here to decide that for you.

I wonder how defining this for ourselves when using a program such as this is best done? 

I had a thought a while ago that I was going to mention here or to you but I forgot until now. Would it be valuable to have something in some programs, such as this one where you're defining it for yourself, that you write it down and decide in this example "what is masculinity for me?" "what do I want masculinity to be for me?" or something similar.. and then the program helps take you in that direction. And over time you can also refine it and add to it, and read it regularly so that the program has a direction.

Personally as I think i've said here before, i've struggled to find a program, 'mentor' or whatever who is a good middle ground. It's either Andrew Tate and such telilng you that you have to have all these sports cars and a mansion, smoke cigars and have a yaucht etc to be a man, which I don't give a fuck about any of that.

Or on the other side the weak, woke bullshit that almost all of society is trying to brainwash men into so they can weaken them. And also a ton of so called 'masculinity coaches' coming up with incredibly ridiculous shit.. like.. and I can't make this up if I tried.. "if you wrestle naked with 2 of your male friends, it's only gay if you decide it's gay"  

Or just as ridiculous a workshop I seen advertised called "Crossdressing to explore your masculinity". Completely and utterly 1000% against masculinity, but this is the shit we're dealing with sadly.

It's difficult to find a middle ground, of being genuinely secure, having real self worth as a man, developing genuine strength physically, mentally, emotionally, developing genuine ability to protect yourself but only if it's really needed, going for what you want and not giving a shit what others think even if it goes against what they tell you that you should want and such. Also is the 'fake tough guys' talking about how tough they are, will smash anyone who looks at them funny and such.. which i've known ever since I did security are completely full of shit and usually disappear when shit gets real. Then on the other side "You have to show compassion and love to absolutely everybody, no matter how much they abuse or bully you or treat you, and tolerate everything even things that are completely disgusting and ruining society, plus it's never okay to have to ever fight ever no matter what, just tell them they hurt your feelings and give them a cuddle and they won't try to punch you anymore".

I could make more comparisions, and i'm exaggerating some of it to make a point, but I think you guys know what i'm getting at.

The idea is that your beliefs are what defines what "primal masculinity" is, and this works because your beliefs are what you choose to accept as true.  This means that Primal Masculinity will always work for you because it will always align with your beliefs.  If you wish, you can adjust, update or change your beliefs - but PM will not install them for you.  It uses what beliefs you have, and adjusts to whatever changes you make to your beliefs. 

Because of this, it doesn't matter if you cannot find one person's point of view that you agree with entirely, because you will naturally tend to build your beliefs based on parts and pieces of various different ideas and options that resonate with you personally.  So you might take some things one person says, and some things another person says, and some ideas from this philosophy, and so on.

PM will work with what you believe, and adjust as your beliefs and point of view change, so it is always aligned with what resonates with you.