Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[Shannon]

Hi @Shannon

How far back would you say results from TID can reach theoretically- weeks, months, a year, multiple years?

Theoretically, there is no limit.  In practice, the effects become more and more subtle the further back you go, and the more you resist.  So in actual practice, the furthest I have been able to identify its effects confidently have been around 3 months.

And do you think it is possible for DMSI to be successful in helping you to reach its goals, regardless of which version of the user is listening to it- what I mean by this is, say you have a younger, healthier, more fit/vibrant version of the user vs an older out of shape less physically appealing version of the user (albeit more experienced and aggressive) - all versions of the user are interested in/find the same kinds of women appealing but they happen to physically be at different stages in their life....

First, I don't really understand your question.  Second, you have to understand something that people have a really hard time with, which is, if you affect her the right ways, looks don't matter for shit.

I will give you an example.  My gf is 22 years old.  I'm 47.  How did that happen?  I'm surely not rich and famous and powerful.  But even more... she was 18 when I met her and we started dating.  How did that happen?

I have women regularly expressing interest in me, and frustration that I am taken.  Most of them are 18-30, but they range into the 60's.  Yesterday I went to a rock and gem show and got hit on by a woman in her mid 50's, while I was standing right next to my gf.  At dinner, I went to a restaurant where I happen to know that women who are 51, 18 and 22 are interested in me.  If I wasn't taken, I'm pretty sure I could have dated any of them.  One is happily married and one has a boyfriend.

I get interest from women of all ages, all the time, but the majority are teenage or in their 20's.  How does this happen? I'm not rich, I'm not famous, I'm not powerful and I have developed something of a dad bod in the last few years.

It's all down to my presence, which can be broken down into attitude, personality and energy.  My attitude is "I'm going to have a good time, even if I have to make fun of myself to do it."  And as my gf can tell you, I laugh a lot.  I laugh at jokes she makes, jokes I make, and jokes others make.  I laugh at my own jokes a lot, and my jokes are pretty stupid and ridiculous most of the time.  So bad that I regularly hear gf say, "I don't know you."  But they make me laugh, and it is fun to be silly.  So I am playful and socially open, and I enjoy laughing and don't mind making stupid jokes to make myself laugh, and I don't care if those jokes poke fun at me and I laugh at myself too.

I'm playful and I laugh and try to engage others in my fun.

Fun.  I try to have fun.  Not trying to get anything from her, just trying to have fun.  I really don't care if she's laughing too, because I'm entertaining myself, and I'm having fun.  If she wants to join in, great - more opportunity for fun.  Otherwise, peace.  I'm doing my thing.

In other words, not only is she not the focus of my efforts, I really couldn't care less what she does in response to me having fun.  I'm as far from needy and insecure about myself as it gets, even if I'm bald, have a little belly going on and haven't shared in a few days.  In the words of the pick up artists, I generate my own frame, and I hold it.  She can join in or bounce off, but she isn't going to change it because I'm having a good time.

And I don't need alcohol or drugs to have a good time and be silly socially.  I've been to bars where I ordered a Coke and gotten laughed at by a group pf burly bikers and laughed right along with them.  I don't care if I fit in, I don't care if they interpret me as being a pansy because I no longer choose to drink Jack Daniels or Souza or Glenlivet or what have you.

It also has a lot to do with my energy.  The focus of DMSI is based on what I know is possible because I do it with and without DMSI.  I can adjust my energy and through it I can get different responses from others.  By making my energy warm and approachable, I give people permission to approach and make them feel comfortable doing so.  By having no hidden agenda, I attract women who are used to guys having one.  By being fun and playful, my energy and presence becomes positive and enjoyable.  I am also trustworthy.  And so forth.

None of this requires DMSI.  It does require that you not be needy and insecure, and you decide to have a good time and let go of hidden agendas.  8-9-10 females are very used to (and at 9 and 10, expect) you having an agenda to get sex from them.  If that is present, they can feel it in your energy.  If not, they can feel that too.

Attraction is a natural result of her feeling like you are what she wants to be around.  Someone she can trust, enjoy, and feel safe being vulnerable around.  Sex and sexual interaction requires vulnerability on her part, not just to judgement of her body and her reputation being at risk, but of pregnancy.

Most women don't care much what you look like, although as you get higher and higher on the physical attractiveness scale it gets more and more important to her.  The majority of what she's looking for is simply... security and having a good time.  With enough security she can open up to you sexually, and a good time makes her open up.  If you know how to tune your energy, you can also activate her sexual arousal simply by being in her presence, which is part of what DMSI automates.

In other words, don't worry about being out of shape.  Worry about being out of insecurity.

Now as for DMSI, it's designed to automate all the important parts of the energy manipulation for you, so you don't have to learn how to do it the hard way, like I did.  Any of this is possible with or without DMSI.  The key is, are you going to get in the way by being insecure and afraid of something silly?

Thanks that cleared it up a lot for me

What I meant by the second part was- if you were to compare you today vs you back when you were for example your gf’s age, would you be attracting the same amount and quality of women today vs then (would it be more now, then, etc)

Back when I was 22, I was a very handsome guy, but I didn't dare believe it.  In other words, I could see it, but I didn't believe it because I was afraid that maybe I was wrong, maybe everyone else though otherwise, etc.  I was raised in circumstances that made me intrinsically doubt my perception of reality and its validity.  I've had women I knew back then tell me I was an 8 or 9.  A couple thought I was a 10.

Now I am older, showing some signs of age that come from being worn down from constant exhaustion and stress, and gaining weight.  Now most women seem to consider me a 6-7 based on what I get out of the models, with a few having commented that I am more attractive than that to them.

Back then I got a lot of interest.  Hell, 17-25 I had women - some of them very hot -including a stunning half Japanese lingerie model - either overtly expressing interest in having sex with me (put my hand down their pants, etc.) or outright throwing themselves at me, but I didn't know it or get it because I was too messed up.  I was dealing with severe clinical depression, and I had severe social anxiety on top of being a virgin until I was 20 and terrified of being laughed at for that fact.  So even when I had some of them say point blank to my face things like, "I want you to fuck me right now on these stairs." (which happened, by the way) I either passed it off as a joke or ignore it, because I was afraid of being vulnerable to them that way.  Case in point: Physical attractiveness fails when the person in the body does not feel or believe themselves to be attractive enough, good enough, or has too much fear to take advantage of the results.

Now I am considerably less physically attractive, and I still don't really think much of myself physically because regardless of who thinks what, I just don't want to deal with the risk of an overblown ego that's not based in reality.  I consider myself "probably better than average looking in most cases, but nothing special".  And yet because of the work I have done on myself internally, overcoming my fears and insecurities, coming to understand humans in general and realizing that when I chose women based on looks I wasn't happy, but when I chose women based on how happy they made me I was - I have put myself in a position to be happy in and of myself, and choose women who make me happy. 

And happiness for me is always going to be an issue because part of me is only happy when I have a specific type of woman emotionally, and part is only happy when she looks a certain way.  So far I have never found any one woman who can be both, so I have decided that a woman I can trust and know that she genuinely loves and cares about me, who will be there for and with me forever, and who is worth having as family, is what I will choose even if she's not a model.

The whole idea is, I attract a lot more women now, even though I am not as physically attractive or rich, powerful or famous, than I did at my best looking because of my personality and attitude and self development level.  I used to attract more physically attractive women in general, but that is because they tend to make their choices based heavily on what others will think of their choice in men, not what would actually make them happy. 

And while I didn't have to try for the 8's, 9's and occasional 10's back in the day, it isn't terribly difficult for me to attract them now because of other things if I really want to.  I have just found that by and large, 9's and 10's are usually too focused on maintaining social status based on what others think of them and want and expect from them (basically approval and attention, in most cases), instead of what really matters and what they are actually happy with.  It's not my bag, so I don't try for them.  Could I get them if I wanted?  In at least some cases, to be sure.  But I don't want them, and I'm in a committed LTR now.

Also if appearance doesn’t really matter like you say - then I’m confused what exactly is different about me now vs me 7-10 years ago (I guess I’ll think on it further, but thus far my conclusions have been more in the realm of my physical appearance)

Up to about 6-7 years ago, I probably wouldn’t really think I would need a program like DMSI I’d probably just try it out for fun to see what happens but wouldn’t really care or think I need it

What's different about you now is - just a guess, because I only have some of the facts here - that some part of you is trying to do what it can to make you physically unattractive to women, and that may be triggering insecurities that make that happen.

I think it sounds like you came too close to acieving the full goals of DMSI, and that eventually scared some part of you, which sought to "protect you" by gaining weight.  Gaining weight is commonly used by the subconscious as a defense and protection mechanism.  It seems to believe that more weight = intrinsically safer some how, and it also uses more weight as a way to make others less interested in you.  I have seen this a LOT in cases of people (usually women) who have been raped.  They'll get raped and then gain a LOT of weight. 

Here's an example.  I saw one woman - a long time friend of mine - gain almost 300 pounds after getting raped, achieving a total weight of 440 pounds at her most heavy.  Not all of that was the rape, some of it (up to ~140 from ~125) was her trying to reverse resist "being told what to do".  But if you subtract 300 from 440, you'll see that when she got raped, she weighed about 140 pounds. 

In another case, another friend of mine gained a lot of weight as a result of having been raped also.  I don't remember the specifics of her weight and amount she gained, but in her case she asked to help me test V5 of the old 5G weight loss subliminal and in response, gained a pound per day during the 2 weeks she used it.  I interviewed her to find out why and it came out that she had been raped by her father and one or more uncles and I think maybe also a brother.  Her way of stopping that was to move away when she got the chance, but she also gained a lot of weight to make herself unattractive to them.  Such was her subconscious terror at not having that "safety mechanism" to protect her against them that her subconscious reverse resisted to the degree of her gaining a pound a day in response.

As you probably know, we later determined that the parts of the subconscious that do these things tend strongly to do so as a result of them believing that whatever the trigger is, is a direct threat to the literal survival of the person.  In some cases, like hers, it really is.  In others, it is a wholly imaginary threat that makes no sense at all logically.