Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

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I don't take working with genetics and epigenetics lightly.  It's not something to do without having a good reason, and understanding what is going on.  So far the MHS has shown that the genetic component in it seems to be as safe as it was designed to be, but attempts at altering the genes and epigenetics have to be reserved for where they are safe, effective and useful.  

Aside from MHS, that may be Overcoming Fear, and maybe Overcoming Guilt Shame and Fear, and Emotional Healing & Pain Relief Aid, maybe we could try to put that in Grow Taller and Penis/Breast Enlargement, but the majority of subs are not going to need or benefit from it.  Ultimate Monetary Success, for example, would seem to be a poor choice for it at first glance.

It is not in the Fear Removal Module 4.9.  Depending on how things go, it may be in FRM 5.0 (which I think will be the next, and last, version of FRM), but we are still early in understanding it for what it's good for, what can be done, etc.  I am being very cautious with this.

Can you be more specific as to how you think it's affecting/helping you?

Hmmm I had to think for like a day to think how I was going to respond to this because some of this is feelings, intuitions, etc and I'm not sure how to exactly put that all into words. I can tell you sometimes while I have listened to it I've felt this deep cleaning. Not simply the detox no this was something else. It felt like it was changing me on a much deeper and I would say even cellular level. Along with this I had felt some resistance but I had this intuition that the genetic component had to deal with this feeling I was having. It was this feeling that I was being "controlled" and I didn't like it as much but I felt "compelled" to listen. Only way I got past that feeling was to perhaps calm myself down and be ok with "letting go" to a degree. Obviously this isn't from FRM as FRM is turned off for the sub. Could be the upgraded magnus engine but I don't think so. Could be a combination possibly.

Other than that its really hard to say how it had affected me and its hard to put into words. It has made me want to continue with possibly getting into genetic engineering as I had this feeling that genetics have a great role to play in things than we think. I'm not saying as in some "genetics determine your destiny" or any of that nonsense but more of I don't think we fully understand how much of a role they truly play yet. 

Does this mean you might consider putting it in FRM 5.0 possibly? Also would you then possibly consider put it in the skeleton script then and turning it on or off depending on the sub?

It is a possibility that it could be included as part of the skeleton script or FRM 5.0, but it will depend on the safety and value of doing so.  I can see the potential for it going into the FRM, but that is just a potential.  It may be useful in the skeleton script, but that would certainly not be something that was turned on in all subliminals.  We cannot, for example, start playing "designer genes" with them being changed with every subliminal you run.  

The usefulness of genetic influence and adjustment through subliminal is going to be limited to what can actually be useful in that direction.  Is it possible that it could be useful for fear removal?  Sure.  I have seen studies that suggested that descendants of the concentration camps of Nazi Germany had a predisposition to certain things that they apparently inherited from the concentration camp survivors.  

The key is, we have to keep genetic and epigenetic adjustments to a minimum.  They have to be necessary helpful, useful and safe.

As a customer I'm happy to hear that you are very cautious with this gene programming, as being something that would make me hesitant to upgrade if it would not be explained in a way that I would find sufficient to overcome my concerns about it. Our genes are extremely complex and what say that if you change oene part of them, wouldn't change something else outside of your scope? And in worst case be carried down to your children. I suspect that the subconscious hold the same level of complexity and I believe your models and understanding of human psychology is safeguarding you to make choices that would put your customers into any kind of danger, but genes - that a whole different story. Does even the brightest minds in genes know how it all work? 

Your subliminals can change our inner beings and make changes in a field that I think you have good understanding of, and this in turn affect our genes by making changes to our inner landscapes, energies, thoughts, etc. I hope you are very careful about this, not that I have seen anything in your contact that would tell otherwise, but I still wanted to voice my concern about it, not being an expert or anything, but just my general gut feeling about it.

The way I approach direct influence of genes and epigenetics is based on our company motto, which is: Safe, effective, useful.  It has to be safe before I will even build it.  I use several methods to make sure it is safe, and I take into consideration the potential for changing one thing to affect another.  The approach I use only makes adjustments through the subconscious, and that is my specialty.  I can instruct it to only make the desired changes, and only do so safely.  As the MHS program is designed, it will fail to affect your genes if it cannot make the changes safely.  So we literally have layers of safeties in place, including at least one failsafe system that will disable the module if the goal cannot be achieved safely.

I don't doubt that you do what you can to make it safe, but while reading things like the following quotes i can't help but becoming a bit concerned that it maybe shouldn't be done. 

"Other ethical concerns are: unintentionally editing the human germline forever, not knowing how one change to a human germline will affect the expression of the remainder of the genes. A scientist recently made an apt analogy for us to understand in regard to mapping and manipulating the human genome / germline is in relation to a stage play: it is if we have very precise character descriptions (the mapped genome), and yet we (the scientific community) have no idea yet how the characters interact with each other. In other words, if one makes one change to the human germline, what other cascade of changes might we be making? [23] [24]"

And

"For safety, ethical, and social reasons, there is broad agreement among the scientific community, and the public that germline editing is a red line that should not be crossed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_germline_engineering