(10-16-2018, 08:04 AM)Have at ye Wrote: Well, these new gen Shannon-subs may be making many demands of the nervous system due to their intensity, especially now that fear-removal is in the mix. So mayhap this additional layer of stimulation together with other stimulants is a touch too much. It's why I like Cutting Edge, it hasn't any (not even caffeine) but does what it says on the label anyway and has stuff that's good for the heart and the liver. Haven't used it over the summer, though - maybe it's time to purchase another bottle; winter's coming, the subC may want to put some flab on.
Green tea, choline, l-carnitine - all good non-stimulant additions. Diuretics I save (if I use them) for when I'm lean enough that it matters. Unfortunately for me, choline sends me into depression. I can't take any form of it. In fact, now that I think about it, I ate a lot of eggs yesterday. I wonder if that contributed...
I take coleus forskholii, as well. That's not a stimulant, raises cAMP, and is a good recompositioning agent.
I tried getting off caffeine completely awhile back to see if I would execute DMSI 3.2 better. It didn't make a difference that I could note. And then I missed my caffeine. I'm just going to try and keep it reigned in, rather than half a pot of coffee, pills, and 3 diet mountain dews in the morning. I bet my caffeine minimum for the day was over 2000 mg.