07-11-2017, 03:30 PM
(07-11-2017, 03:15 PM)myth Wrote:(07-11-2017, 02:36 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: Ah, I got you. Thank you for clarifying that.
Well, my original explanation was a bit abstract. Using the abstract terms of my original post, I could've rephrased by distilling it to: People often focus on blaming X instead of solving Y (as a way to resist solving Y). But an analogy seemed clearer.
It's all good man. I appreciate you taking the time to make sure you're understood. Forum communication is difficult in the best of times, so thanks. :)
(07-11-2017, 03:15 PM)myth Wrote:(07-11-2017, 02:36 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: I agree with you in that we need to focus on "fixing". However, if there were a bunch of criminals that kept breaking elevators, what would be gained by simply fixing the elevators? Justice is needed to restore balance and to keep bad things from reoccurring. So the criminals would have to be punished in some way.
Now, I don't know what those are metaphors for, just thought I'd point out that simply fixing something does not necessarily fix the real problem.
Justice solves a different problem. For example, regarding DMSI, we're trying to become sexier, not start a war against people (including our past selves) who prevented us from being sexier in the past. Solving the wrong problem is often a distraction from solving the right one.
True, however, I'm talking about addressing undermining behaviours or thoughts/beliefs.
For example, I have a tendency to be idealistic. It doesn't matter how much I learn, if there's a tiny chance I can believe in the disney fairytale (or, [insert belief here]) and it can work, I'll JUMP in, abandoning all reason and evidence to the contrary.
Simply resetting that and giving me more proof idealism doesn't work won't fix it (I don't think it will at least), I believe I need to stop wanting it somehow. I don't know why I want it to work, but I do.
So I guess I'm saying we need to trace all our faulty beliefs, behaviors, etc to the root, and fix them by not just replacing them with works, but something that's more powerful in some way. I honestly don't know how, but I think that;s what needed.
I could be wrong, though.
(07-11-2017, 03:15 PM)myth Wrote:(07-11-2017, 03:15 PM)myth Wrote: [quote='SargeMaximus' pid='173674' dateline='1499812602']
Anyhow, to fix anything you need 2 things:
1. Know what's wrong
2. Know how to fix it
I'd say we're still in the process of developing those 2 in regards to DMSI.
Well, what's wrong varies by person. And will take more time with some than with others. Or, in elevator terms, each person's elevator is broken differently. The more guinea pig elevators that test it, the better it'll probably turn out.
And I'm beginning to regret choosing elevators as an analogy. :)
Lol, I think it's a good analogy. I agree with you tho. I think things may go deeper, but going deep may be the wrong choice too (for example: an elevator may work just fine, but because we are now focusing on each molecule in the elevator, inspecting them, and trying to fix them, we're "out of service" even though it would work just fine)
Who knows tho.