I was about to make some editing for I replied with phone and when I read it with PC now, the wording seems a bit odd. So yeah, I could understand it's not easy to get.
That's what I referred as being annoyed, though it seemed you could maintain your poise while replying.
That's your comment on Hulse' wife and what I meant by saying "It's value, as you stated you'd want someone who thrives as you do", kinda distracted when typing it so "thriving" was chosen to say.
I'm aware of your unwillingness to get a hooker, we're on the same board here, that's exactly why I said "you refuse to go for exchanging money for a crotch sneeze or two".
Being perceived as "too good to be true" doesn't always yield a positive result as giving a chance for a cup of coffee, it could also lead them to think "Naah, this guy would be a drag by demanding me be a high value woman at all times, it's no fun" or such. This is how our brains are wired, they're designed to associate one thing to another that if we could display it on a monitor we might think that we need some super huge asylum.
I don't know you personally, so I might be being speculative for this one, but again by seeing your comment on Hulse' wife and what I tried to bring up by saying it's highly likely you're after a woman of value as you perceive yourself and sex is one of the consequence, what I was really trying to say is that the value you hold in yourself about the ideal attractive woman could prevent you from getting closer to any of them.
It's like you're saying "that girl's just damn hot, look at all those nice curves! She must be investing a lot of time at gym and maintaining herself, great!" and at the same time your value about women (which is way stronger) says, "a'ight, she's cute and smokin' hot too, but hell, I want something more, I'm gonna raise my bar"
And with your peers as you said in replying my comment, "most of my buddies either got married to the first girl who paid them attention and massively married down due to desperation, or are dating/shacked up with girls in the same situation" it acts as a backup for a justification of you unconsciously want something more.
That's what I meant by saying, "you don't have any target around even if your conscious observation says you do."
This is exactly the first thing I learned as a teenager about girls dynamic. I consider myself as naturally good with women, but I guess it's not that "natural" since I recall my days of trial and error days back then, going from club to club, mall to mall and others. In our local community we have terms of GLOSSY guys and LOSSY guys.
Whenever you're half-into girl, you're a glossy guy and things tend to go nicely. And when you (carefreely displaying) that you actually genuinely like her (without realizing the consequence that you may look clingy that immediately vaporize the strong value you present earlier) and things end up shitty, you're being a lossy guy.
And glossy guys are always the winner of the entire game.
You know, since I replied to your thread, at times I thought how could someone resist this hard? From an outsider point of view, you do qualify as a potential player of the game. It led me to reread Mark Douglas' book on trading, I found some pages about how beliefs work and their effect on a trader's performance in the market, that particular page was about a boy with a trauma of a messy first encounter with dog, I somehow imagined you as a boy who's afraid of dog because your first contact with dog was an unpleasant one, that it's imprinted in your mind that all dogs are bad, this negatively-charged perception will tend to block any information or even slightest evidence of dogs being one of harmless creatures even if later you see kids at your age happily playing with dog.
That information was helpful for me in my own case, maybe you could at least relate and trying to guess how that boy gets out of his shell of being afraid of dogs to being able to have fun with them without discarding the possibility of mean dogs out there.
The storyline might be different, but the underlying dynamics are always the same, be it in the share market, social dynamics, and others as simple as playing around with dogs.
Quote:Thanks both of you for your posts.
However, I feel others are making a bigger deal about these things than I am.
I'm fully aware that I'm a monster in business, and still somehow have a complete deadlock with women, thanks. Maybe that can be changed here, we'll see.
I was only mentioning "my past" etc. in the vein of either answering questions about it that others ask me about it, or in the vein of Shannon and I having our talk about it I quoted above. That's it. Otherwise, I don't find it relevant or productive to go on about, and everybody inherently has a story anyway. Mine isn't more relevant or useful than others. I prefer to look forward anyway, that's more useful, ultimately.
That's what I referred as being annoyed, though it seemed you could maintain your poise while replying.
Quote:I guess my point is, I've worked hard to develop a great life, with great value. So I would NOT be satisfied with a mediocre woman. If I'm not at the point where I am developed enough where I can attract the attractive women I want, then I will be single and continue developing until I am. I will not undervalue myself, and go for mediocre out of desperation or giving up. I guess this is an issue of standards, how much you want to continue developing to be at the level of attractive women, or if you want to give up and accept mediocre. That's a choice each man has to make themselves, perhaps. Me? Go big or go home, like every other aspect of my life.
That's your comment on Hulse' wife and what I meant by saying "It's value, as you stated you'd want someone who thrives as you do", kinda distracted when typing it so "thriving" was chosen to say.
Quote:I don't want to go through this for the millionth time. I have ZERO interest in hiring a hooker. It proves nothing of my ability to get women on my own, and will further bolster my views on gold diggers and not being "good enough" to get women on my own. And having to wave money at them to buy access, which I view as pathetic and just another form of pedestalisation. I REALLY don't want yet another derail on the merits of hookers on my journal, if others like it, rock on. Why bother using a sub to attract women if you want to get a hooker? Makes zero sense to me, just go get one if you dig that. I'm not stooping to bribing a girl to touch me, if I was that desperate, and willing to lower my self worth even more with women, I would've done it a long time ago. I'm doing it "the normal way", creating attraction, or not at all. Getting penetration isn't worth further damage to my self worth by buying it. Too high a price tag for me.
I'm aware of your unwillingness to get a hooker, we're on the same board here, that's exactly why I said "you refuse to go for exchanging money for a crotch sneeze or two".
Quote:It would be the biggest mindscrew in the world if girls believed I was too good to be true. They seem to have mistreated me and taken me for granted, LJBF me, or blown me off my whole life. To me, that seems to suggest I'm not valuable for some reason to them. I would find it hard to believe, that all the not texting back, not calling back, not hitting me up for a date or chasing me, mistreatment blah blah blah, dating, sex, everything, is because each of them thought I was too good to be true. It's a nice thought, but I'm not sure I'd buy it given all the behaviour, I figure at least a few of them would've taken a chance at a coffee or something to test it. To me, it suggests some sort of "thing" they're all feeling, I'm not valuable to them somehow despite everything I bring to the table.
Being perceived as "too good to be true" doesn't always yield a positive result as giving a chance for a cup of coffee, it could also lead them to think "Naah, this guy would be a drag by demanding me be a high value woman at all times, it's no fun" or such. This is how our brains are wired, they're designed to associate one thing to another that if we could display it on a monitor we might think that we need some super huge asylum.
Quote:I have several targets around me I'm very attracted to, and have mentioned that often. So I don't understand your view that I don't.
I don't know you personally, so I might be being speculative for this one, but again by seeing your comment on Hulse' wife and what I tried to bring up by saying it's highly likely you're after a woman of value as you perceive yourself and sex is one of the consequence, what I was really trying to say is that the value you hold in yourself about the ideal attractive woman could prevent you from getting closer to any of them.
It's like you're saying "that girl's just damn hot, look at all those nice curves! She must be investing a lot of time at gym and maintaining herself, great!" and at the same time your value about women (which is way stronger) says, "a'ight, she's cute and smokin' hot too, but hell, I want something more, I'm gonna raise my bar"
And with your peers as you said in replying my comment, "most of my buddies either got married to the first girl who paid them attention and massively married down due to desperation, or are dating/shacked up with girls in the same situation" it acts as a backup for a justification of you unconsciously want something more.
That's what I meant by saying, "you don't have any target around even if your conscious observation says you do."
Quote:I have NEVER been able to figure out a pattern with girls my entire life...except for one thing. Anytime I was only half-into a girl or less, or she THOUGHT I was only half-into her when I was really into her, she seemed to show some real possible signs of attraction. When I actually genuinely liked her after that, it always went to shit, she'd start being ignorant, distant, pulling away, more and more and more, until she's a memory and always "busy" and not responding and being a rude bitch. They don't seem to like it when I like them. So, if only I can somehow like them without liking them...nice paradox there, they're so ridiculous. I'm not even sure they're worth it, tough to know from my perspective, I have real doubts though. But, that's been the only pattern I've observed with any kind of reliability over tons of girls in my life. There must be something to it. I don't understand how to get around it though, makes no sense to me.
This is exactly the first thing I learned as a teenager about girls dynamic. I consider myself as naturally good with women, but I guess it's not that "natural" since I recall my days of trial and error days back then, going from club to club, mall to mall and others. In our local community we have terms of GLOSSY guys and LOSSY guys.
Whenever you're half-into girl, you're a glossy guy and things tend to go nicely. And when you (carefreely displaying) that you actually genuinely like her (without realizing the consequence that you may look clingy that immediately vaporize the strong value you present earlier) and things end up shitty, you're being a lossy guy.
And glossy guys are always the winner of the entire game.
Quote:Bottom line, I feel the program is far from delivering on the girl front in reality. If V3.3 or so is supposed to be "final", I'm nervous. It feels like WAY too much of a leap to expect real results with real girls in reality in such a short time, given how things are. At this point, despite the higher loop count, I'm still not convinced programs of this nature work.
You know, since I replied to your thread, at times I thought how could someone resist this hard? From an outsider point of view, you do qualify as a potential player of the game. It led me to reread Mark Douglas' book on trading, I found some pages about how beliefs work and their effect on a trader's performance in the market, that particular page was about a boy with a trauma of a messy first encounter with dog, I somehow imagined you as a boy who's afraid of dog because your first contact with dog was an unpleasant one, that it's imprinted in your mind that all dogs are bad, this negatively-charged perception will tend to block any information or even slightest evidence of dogs being one of harmless creatures even if later you see kids at your age happily playing with dog.
That information was helpful for me in my own case, maybe you could at least relate and trying to guess how that boy gets out of his shell of being afraid of dogs to being able to have fun with them without discarding the possibility of mean dogs out there.
The storyline might be different, but the underlying dynamics are always the same, be it in the share market, social dynamics, and others as simple as playing around with dogs.
What a fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking that by his laughter he shows superiority instead of latent idiocy ~MC
ENFP-2 ; US + TLAM >> DMSI 3.1
ENFP-2 ; US + TLAM >> DMSI 3.1
