Hey Chaos, thanks for the message. I always dig a Prince Naseem clip, lol. I remember him saying he could've beat Floyd...I'm not so sure about that, haha!
I know you don't like people that don't openly accept things without proof, regardless of how fantastical they come across as to them. I don't think of it as close minded, more of wanting proof of performance when claims are made. It's probably my past trauma with girls making it seem impossible, mixed with all the scam bullshit over the years ripping me off with "attraction" stuff, you know? So no BS certainty is a big deal now I guess. Fair enough, I'm not as willing to take anything with no proof to me as the gospel anymore after all that. Besides, I spoke earlier of the "anti-sniper" in that post, not the aura/manifestation stuff I've asked for clarification about before which I assume you referred to. This is something I don't remember ever asking Shannon about. And no, he hasn't explained it fully. They've been vague concepts and trade secrets, and none of that is relevant anyway. I'm not interested in another aura/manifestation debate as it's a waste of time. As all the guys that are lucky enough to execute with the program will say it's real as they can get results. And the ones that aren't able to execute and get results will call BS, it's a big fight about nothing. Maybe someday the program can be made to be powerful enough to work for all of us, I'm not sure. I only brought it up because if it DID anti-sniper her, that would tell Shannon that is executing, even though I didn't see how that works in reality, not for an argument on auras and what not. If it all works, that's great, I welcome the proof it works for me someday. He said we don't need to believe for it to work anyway, bending my reality of no women, to lots of them IS fantastical and would naturally make me skeptical it is legit. I've listened faithfully for a year, giving it a chance to do so. I'm not one of the sideline detractors, not even running it, while running it down, you know? I'm at least giving it a chance to show me it can do for me what people claim it does for them.
Now on the other stuff, I hear what you're saying, but you're forgetting a few key issues.
As I've said before, if she does that and never communicates with me enough so that I can ask her out or she can do something in line with the program...I tend to question how blatant the "IOI" is or if it really is such in this case.
It's great women respond to you with IOIs and you get traction, I'm happy for you. Obviously, we aren't the same person so I haven't had nearly the traction you have. With this girl, I'm still unsure she's actually interested, especially since like a year or two ago she rejected me, never mind her barely talking to me for awhile now when out, making getting something going very difficult. It's tough for me to believe it's an IOI with those other factors there. I don't know what I was supposed to do, smack or squeeze her ass despite her barely talking with me? Risking some "sexual harassment" bullshit for the second time in my life? No thanks, last time I got caught up in a mess like that I got a badly broken arm with permanent damage and it took 6 years to shake the "rapist" allegation. It's easy to wax theory about would've could've should've, but honestly man, I tried talking to her after and it was pulling teeth like usual so I left it and didn't chase. If she talked to me normal like she used to before DMSI, AND did the ass displays, this would be a different conversation. Weirdly, DMSI has over time, hugely derailed things with her, she was the #1 girl I figured DMSI would work on for me, I've been shocked by what's happened. She's the second hot/normally outspoken girl around me to act this way since starting DMSI, it's very strange. The second one, which chronologically was the first and it was SO strange how she almost started hating me it seemed. Finally, I stopped trying to engage that girl after she was so ignorant at my birthday party, I figured she just became an ignorant bitch and cut her off. Similar to her, with T, awkward demeanor when she's normally very outspoken, the pulling teeth to talk to her, not hugging me anymore even, then weird random things like this, muddy it up for me. I can't help but look at it all and say "okay, given everything, the ass display means nothing, the jealousy with me talking to other girls is just her feeling she's losing attention or validation from someone she wants as an orbiter, her barely talking to me and the rejection way back are more clear cut.".
If she starts engaging like before, I may ask her again, it's been long enough. Maybe Version B will do something different, we'll see. I know I'm nowhere near invested in any of this as much as I was when starting, or even months ago. But again, like I've said before, I can't tell if that's the sub, or if it's just that sense of futility. Weirdly, I don't know what drives me more with this program anymore, getting a girl (which still seems not quite possible), or seeing the program work in reality.
I don't think I don't have lots to learn about women. But some of this is confusing, and given the last time I got into hot water and saw just how fast the world can turn upside down on me...I seem to really err on the side of caution now. So like earlier, certainty seems to be really important to me. I need no-brainer IOIs to take real action now.
I know you don't like people that don't openly accept things without proof, regardless of how fantastical they come across as to them. I don't think of it as close minded, more of wanting proof of performance when claims are made. It's probably my past trauma with girls making it seem impossible, mixed with all the scam bullshit over the years ripping me off with "attraction" stuff, you know? So no BS certainty is a big deal now I guess. Fair enough, I'm not as willing to take anything with no proof to me as the gospel anymore after all that. Besides, I spoke earlier of the "anti-sniper" in that post, not the aura/manifestation stuff I've asked for clarification about before which I assume you referred to. This is something I don't remember ever asking Shannon about. And no, he hasn't explained it fully. They've been vague concepts and trade secrets, and none of that is relevant anyway. I'm not interested in another aura/manifestation debate as it's a waste of time. As all the guys that are lucky enough to execute with the program will say it's real as they can get results. And the ones that aren't able to execute and get results will call BS, it's a big fight about nothing. Maybe someday the program can be made to be powerful enough to work for all of us, I'm not sure. I only brought it up because if it DID anti-sniper her, that would tell Shannon that is executing, even though I didn't see how that works in reality, not for an argument on auras and what not. If it all works, that's great, I welcome the proof it works for me someday. He said we don't need to believe for it to work anyway, bending my reality of no women, to lots of them IS fantastical and would naturally make me skeptical it is legit. I've listened faithfully for a year, giving it a chance to do so. I'm not one of the sideline detractors, not even running it, while running it down, you know? I'm at least giving it a chance to show me it can do for me what people claim it does for them.
Now on the other stuff, I hear what you're saying, but you're forgetting a few key issues.
As I've said before, if she does that and never communicates with me enough so that I can ask her out or she can do something in line with the program...I tend to question how blatant the "IOI" is or if it really is such in this case.
It's great women respond to you with IOIs and you get traction, I'm happy for you. Obviously, we aren't the same person so I haven't had nearly the traction you have. With this girl, I'm still unsure she's actually interested, especially since like a year or two ago she rejected me, never mind her barely talking to me for awhile now when out, making getting something going very difficult. It's tough for me to believe it's an IOI with those other factors there. I don't know what I was supposed to do, smack or squeeze her ass despite her barely talking with me? Risking some "sexual harassment" bullshit for the second time in my life? No thanks, last time I got caught up in a mess like that I got a badly broken arm with permanent damage and it took 6 years to shake the "rapist" allegation. It's easy to wax theory about would've could've should've, but honestly man, I tried talking to her after and it was pulling teeth like usual so I left it and didn't chase. If she talked to me normal like she used to before DMSI, AND did the ass displays, this would be a different conversation. Weirdly, DMSI has over time, hugely derailed things with her, she was the #1 girl I figured DMSI would work on for me, I've been shocked by what's happened. She's the second hot/normally outspoken girl around me to act this way since starting DMSI, it's very strange. The second one, which chronologically was the first and it was SO strange how she almost started hating me it seemed. Finally, I stopped trying to engage that girl after she was so ignorant at my birthday party, I figured she just became an ignorant bitch and cut her off. Similar to her, with T, awkward demeanor when she's normally very outspoken, the pulling teeth to talk to her, not hugging me anymore even, then weird random things like this, muddy it up for me. I can't help but look at it all and say "okay, given everything, the ass display means nothing, the jealousy with me talking to other girls is just her feeling she's losing attention or validation from someone she wants as an orbiter, her barely talking to me and the rejection way back are more clear cut.".
If she starts engaging like before, I may ask her again, it's been long enough. Maybe Version B will do something different, we'll see. I know I'm nowhere near invested in any of this as much as I was when starting, or even months ago. But again, like I've said before, I can't tell if that's the sub, or if it's just that sense of futility. Weirdly, I don't know what drives me more with this program anymore, getting a girl (which still seems not quite possible), or seeing the program work in reality.
I don't think I don't have lots to learn about women. But some of this is confusing, and given the last time I got into hot water and saw just how fast the world can turn upside down on me...I seem to really err on the side of caution now. So like earlier, certainty seems to be really important to me. I need no-brainer IOIs to take real action now.
