Overblown Hyperbole - DMSI V3.1-A

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon.

Glad to see you back.

No, I don't believe in body language that much. That's right. I find it to be mostly wishful thinking, and not an exact science at all. I've been wrong enough when a girl is sending "clear IOIs" to be very skeptical of it.

And "results" are subjective. But, INTERNAL "results" are one thing, EXTERNAL "results" are another. I don't know why we butt heads on this so often. I've been clear on the difference often. I get dreams and stuff internally, but nothing on the outside so far. I can't talk about what isn't there.

If a day comes where I do get clear results EXTERNALLY, I'll post about it, believe me...

Body language is the most misunderstood form of communication humans engage in. It's the most instinctual and primal, and therefore below the level of logic. It's also the most subtle.

To understand it, you first must be able to see it. 99% of guys have no idea it exists, and the majority of the rest learn a few things and think they understand it, when there's a lot more to understand.

For example, when women flip their hair, it could mean three different things depending on her age, the context and how frequently she does it.

When a woman bends over and aims it at you, it could mean at least two different things, again depending on context and other factors.

The issue guys have with body language is that they are trying to make it simple and it's not. Body language is a series of "words" made up of actions, which are conjugated or declined according to a variety of variables, and then combined to form the final communication.

Here's an example.

A few days ago, I went out to eat with GF. We went to IHOP and it was 3 am. The only people in the restaurant were me, GF and the server, B, who is a long time friend of ours.

B is married and has a daughter. I have met her daughter, husband, mother and grandmother. I know that B is interested in me sexually, because she gives me sexual interest body language signals.

Not sometimes. Every time she sees me, and is not ridiculously busy. Point #1: Repetition and thematic signals. One signal could typically mean 2-3 different things, depending on circumstances. In her case, it is repetitious, and thematic. Every time she is not busy, and always sexual signals.

This particular time she was sitting talking to us while waiting for our food to be cooked, and she was across the aisle from us, facing me, but sitting on the same side of the table as GF was (across from me). Signal #1: She is facing me, while predominantly talking to GF. Normally you would sit facing 45 degrees left or right of where she was facing. This is a signal that I have her attention, she is focused on me.

Signal #2: She had her legs apart. One leg was down and bent, one leg was up and tucked in. In this configuration, the signal is, "I want to fuck you, and I'm offering you pussy, but I don't want to look like a total whore, especially in front of your girlfriend, so I'll put my foot in front of pussy so I have some plausible deniability."

Signal #3: She eventually spread her legs as wide as they could go and uncovered pussy. Both legs were down. She was almost doing a seated split. This is an escalation of signal #2, and remains consistent with the theme. "I REALLY want you to understand what I'm saying here, and at this point, I don't care what your girlfriend thinks, or I don't think she'll notice." I was dying to photograph this, but could not do so without being noticed. I do have some photographs of other women signalling me this way, but I'm too lazy right now to upload them.

Signal #4: She returned to the position of Signal #2.

Signal #5: She held this position for 20+ minutes. It was more than slightly unladylike.

Signal #6: I have seen her do this to me before, even when the restaurant was not empty.

Signal #7: I have seen her respond to other women giving me this signal by also giving me this signal.

Now, at this point, it should be easy for me to just say, "Hey, B, wanna fuck?" and have her drag me out behind the building, right? Nope. Because as much as she is signalling me that she wants to fuck, we have to deal with the second half of the equation, too.

She is female.

Which means she's under a lot of societal scrutiny. Which means she can and will only move on her desires if I make an aggressive enough move and take full responsibility for what I do, AND what she does. In other words, she's willing to fuck me, but only if she has no responsibility for whatever happens. And I have to make all the moves. And I still have to do it in the right way for her to be able to and willing to fuck. Remember, she must always have zero responsibility for sex, have plausible deniability at all times, and must have enough privacy. And I must approach and do my thing to get us to sex without making her look like or feel like a slut, whore or anything else that is negative.

Body language is real, and it exists, and we humans communicate through it more than spoken language. But it's also a very complex language and consciously, it takes a lot of time and practice to even see it, and then more still to understand it correctly.

Repetition, theme maintenance and context are everything.

Almost every body language signal can mean multiple things.

And on top of all that... she may not even consciously realize she is signalling! You are observing what her subconscious wants... and if her conscious mind is not aware of that, or you approach her the wrong way, or at the wrong time, she will deny deny deny. Anything to save face, be innocent, and not have to take personal responsibility or be judged by others. Denial is not just a river in Egypt, my friend.

So all told, it's rather amusing, to be polite, that you take the stance that "body language doesn't exist/mean anything because I think I know how to see and read it, but it doesn't get me the results I thought it should". I have told you this before... that only means you don't speak the language well enough yet.

As for the external results, the logic there is about like saying that "I have only climbed the staircase if I have stepped on the top step." Well, lots of steps need to be taken before that top step... and they are all still climbing the staircase.

You're back to trying to stonewall. Give B side a week and see what happens.