Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[samba99]

True a good description page could very well result in higher sales. Because many of buyers are not visiting the forum. And many are not even aware of Shannon's hard work and his wisdom in this field and his understanding in general on how things work. So it's easy to think that subs from competitors are somewhat similar to Shannon's sub. Which is far from truth.

Either way I hope you can find a way to give detailed description without giving your secrets away

[callie]

Fairly good. I sleep better which is a huge plus. Im also happier and more optimistic in general. No major fear has been adressed, but its not expected since im still only one and a half week in.

You have the option of going back to the instructions or continuing along as you are.  I suspect you'll want to do as instructed if you switch to ultrasonic.  Otherwise, you will probably be fine regardless.  In this case, having you doing 2 loops per day may be useful for contrasting with other options, so I suggest staying with it unless there's a reason not to.

After 16 days on this sub I think 2 loops might be a tad too much for me. First day on is usually pretty good. Second day on I usually begin to feel a little overwhelmed during the second loop, making me tense up.
What ive also noticed is that the bloom effect usually wears off during the last day off. 

You mentioned that the other option would be to go back to the instructions but I feel like thats not enough exposure now that im used to 2 loops.
Im thinking of making adjustments to something like two or three days on with 1 loop, followed by 2 days off. You think that make sense?

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Can you let us know when we should start to take the 1-2 week break prior to UMS release please

I will do my best, but I'm not entirely sure when that will be.  As we stand right now, I might be done in 6 days and it might take me 3 weeks to finish Stage 1.  So take that as you will.

Will you be releasing them to the public as you complete each stage or all at once? 

Well, if we have pre-orders for Stage 1, and pre-orders for the whole set, there would seem to be only one lofical answer to that question.

And out of curiosity could TID from UMS be causing feelings of depression or being overwhelmed?

It is within the realm of possible that your resistant subconscious might react to the knowledge that "this train is comin', and ain't nothin' gonna stop it" with feelings of depression because it feels hopeless to stop the changes it knows are coming, but the program isn't yet in force enough to override the resistance fully.  

I think feelings of overwhelm from TID seems unlikely though, unless your subconscious is trying to communicate that it wants to believe that the goals of the program are more than it can do.

The thing about that is, I have found ways to differentiate between what your subconscious cannot actually do, and what it does not want to do, or wants to think it cannot do.  I make my subs based on what it can actually do, not excuses that it might want to make for itself to not have to put in the effort.

I think you'll find that once you start using this program, if it was TID, such feelings pass.

And it may not have anything to do with TID or UMSv2.

[Shannon]

Could be TID from UMS2,

Just got a real serious urge to quit my part time job and move on to something that's more rewarding for my time and effort. I've been feeling this way for quite some time, but today it really looks like its going to happen, and I don't even have anything lined up to replace it.

Edit:also extremely surprised that stage 1 could be done in as early as 6 days, from previous experience I've learned to take Shannon's longest estimate and add a week lol

I recall stating that it would be between 6 days and 3 weeks.  Now if we take 6 days and add a week, we are still within the range of what I specified.  I used that wide a range so that I would be more accurate, even if things go wrong.  The other option is, I can stop giving timing estimates at all, which I have repeatedly told you guys I don't like giving because they are almost always wrong when I try to be specific.

[Shannon]

I really wanted to buy the latest OF but the sales page leaves a lot to be desired.  What are the goals of the program? What are the new goals that were added?

When I say this i mean it.  I spent $500 on BASE years ago and what got me excited it to buy it was the sales page.  Probably the best sales page of any program put out Shannon.  I can imagine how many sales have been lost by bad sales pages.

I can only hope the UMS v2 page is improved.  Honestly I can't remember what was said in the original version sales page and for me to drop big money which this sub will cost I would love to get excited have a detailed overview of what i'm buying.  A multi stager and such an important program like this deserves a BASE style sales page.

I'm sorry you feel that way.  I think the sales page for OF is pretty good.  It would also seem to be pretty obvious what the goals of OF are - overcoming fear.  There is the key script pointing to the FRM and the FRM pointing to the key script.  Not every subliminal needs, or has, a list of sub-goals a mile long.  

When I write or update a description page, it's after I have finished the program, and by then I'm usually pretty tired.  I also don't spend forever on it because I know you guys want to buy it, and I have to move on to the next thing.  The sales pages don't get the full Joe Sugarman treatment as a result, but there is nobody else to do that job and the other jobs I do.  So I do the best I can in a day or two or three, and we move on.

We have some changes coming down the pike that may change that, but until they are solidified, it is what it is.  I'm already running on low fuel most days because of how much work it is to make these subs at this point.

[Shannon]

Fairly good. I sleep better which is a huge plus. Im also happier and more optimistic in general. No major fear has been adressed, but its not expected since im still only one and a half week in.

You have the option of going back to the instructions or continuing along as you are.  I suspect you'll want to do as instructed if you switch to ultrasonic.  Otherwise, you will probably be fine regardless.  In this case, having you doing 2 loops per day may be useful for contrasting with other options, so I suggest staying with it unless there's a reason not to.

After 16 days on this sub I think 2 loops might be a tad too much for me. First day on is usually pretty good. Second day on I usually begin to feel a little overwhelmed during the second loop, making me tense up.
What ive also noticed is that the bloom effect usually wears off during the last day off. 

You mentioned that the other option would be to go back to the instructions but I feel like thats not enough exposure now that im used to 2 loops.
Im thinking of making adjustments to something like two or three days on with 1 loop, followed by 2 days off. You think that make sense?

I think you should, starting from the instructed usage pattern, adjust one variable at a time and start with reducing the days off.  So if we go with the instructed actions, and adjust the days off down by one, you get 1 loop per day on, 2 days on, 2 days off.  That seems like a good place to go from where you are.

Then if that's too many days off, or not enough exposure, you can make an incremental adjustment from there.

[KingDavid93]

@Shannon

Can you let us know when we should start to take the 1-2 week break prior to UMS release please

I will do my best, but I'm not entirely sure when that will be.  As we stand right now, I might be done in 6 days and it might take me 3 weeks to finish Stage 1.  So take that as you will.

Will you be releasing them to the public as you complete each stage or all at once? 

Well, if we have pre-orders for Stage 1, and pre-orders for the whole set, there would seem to be only one lofical answer to that question.

And out of curiosity could TID from UMS be causing feelings of depression or being overwhelmed?

It is within the realm of possible that your resistant subconscious might react to the knowledge that "this train is comin', and ain't nothin' gonna stop it" with feelings of depression because it feels hopeless to stop the changes it knows are coming, but the program isn't yet in force enough to override the resistance fully.  

I think feelings of overwhelm from TID seems unlikely though, unless your subconscious is trying to communicate that it wants to believe that the goals of the program are more than it can do.

The thing about that is, I have found ways to differentiate between what your subconscious cannot actually do, and what it does not want to do, or wants to think it cannot do.  I make my subs based on what it can actually do, not excuses that it might want to make for itself to not have to put in the effort.

I think you'll find that once you start using this program, if it was TID, such feelings pass.

And it may not have anything to do with TID or UMSv2.

Well I have been going back and forth between feelings of depression, anger and fatigue the last 5 days, at first I thought it was bizarre and shitty weather we were having here (very cold and cloudy given the time) and then when it got nice warm and sunny out again the feelings didn’t go away- so then I thought that it’s either TID from UMS, or the LTU Stage 7 I’m running right now could be either I’m not entirely sure

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Can you let us know when we should start to take the 1-2 week break prior to UMS release please

I will do my best, but I'm not entirely sure when that will be.  As we stand right now, I might be done in 6 days and it might take me 3 weeks to finish Stage 1.  So take that as you will.

Will you be releasing them to the public as you complete each stage or all at once? 

Well, if we have pre-orders for Stage 1, and pre-orders for the whole set, there would seem to be only one lofical answer to that question.

And out of curiosity could TID from UMS be causing feelings of depression or being overwhelmed?

It is within the realm of possible that your resistant subconscious might react to the knowledge that "this train is comin', and ain't nothin' gonna stop it" with feelings of depression because it feels hopeless to stop the changes it knows are coming, but the program isn't yet in force enough to override the resistance fully.  

I think feelings of overwhelm from TID seems unlikely though, unless your subconscious is trying to communicate that it wants to believe that the goals of the program are more than it can do.

The thing about that is, I have found ways to differentiate between what your subconscious cannot actually do, and what it does not want to do, or wants to think it cannot do.  I make my subs based on what it can actually do, not excuses that it might want to make for itself to not have to put in the effort.

I think you'll find that once you start using this program, if it was TID, such feelings pass.

And it may not have anything to do with TID or UMSv2.

Well I have been going back and forth between feelings of depression, anger and fatigue the last 5 days, at first I thought it was bizarre and shitty weather we were having here (very cold and cloudy given the time) and then when it got nice warm and sunny out again the feelings didn’t go away- so then I thought that it’s either TID from UMS, or the LTU Stage 7 I’m running right now could be either I’m not entirely sure

Possible in either direction, but we have no real way to know.

[callie]

Fairly good. I sleep better which is a huge plus. Im also happier and more optimistic in general. No major fear has been adressed, but its not expected since im still only one and a half week in.

You have the option of going back to the instructions or continuing along as you are.  I suspect you'll want to do as instructed if you switch to ultrasonic.  Otherwise, you will probably be fine regardless.  In this case, having you doing 2 loops per day may be useful for contrasting with other options, so I suggest staying with it unless there's a reason not to.

After 16 days on this sub I think 2 loops might be a tad too much for me. First day on is usually pretty good. Second day on I usually begin to feel a little overwhelmed during the second loop, making me tense up.
What ive also noticed is that the bloom effect usually wears off during the last day off. 

You mentioned that the other option would be to go back to the instructions but I feel like thats not enough exposure now that im used to 2 loops.
Im thinking of making adjustments to something like two or three days on with 1 loop, followed by 2 days off. You think that make sense?

I think you should, starting from the instructed usage pattern, adjust one variable at a time and start with reducing the days off.  So if we go with the instructed actions, and adjust the days off down by one, you get 1 loop per day on, 2 days on, 2 days off.  That seems like a good place to go from where you are.

Then if that's too many days off, or not enough exposure, you can make an incremental adjustment from there.

Gotcha, thanks

[Superman]

Could be TID from UMS2,

Just got a real serious urge to quit my part time job and move on to something that's more rewarding for my time and effort. I've been feeling this way for quite some time, but today it really looks like its going to happen, and I don't even have anything lined up to replace it.

Edit:also extremely surprised that stage 1 could be done in as early as 6 days, from previous experience I've learned to take Shannon's longest estimate and add a week lol

I recall stating that it would be between 6 days and 3 weeks.  Now if we take 6 days and add a week, we are still within the range of what I specified.  I used that wide a range so that I would be more accurate, even if things go wrong.  The other option is, I can stop giving timing estimates at all, which I have repeatedly told you guys I don't like giving because they are almost always wrong when I try to be specific.

I know that's why I said longest estimate and add a week, not earliest estimate

Which would be 4 weeks out

[fab10]

1 loop per day on, 2 days on, 2 days off

I have the impression that more and more people are shifting to this usage pattern, am I right? Especially reducing the days off from three to two. Could this become the next version of the provisional general instructions?

[Shannon]

Could be TID from UMS2,

Just got a real serious urge to quit my part time job and move on to something that's more rewarding for my time and effort. I've been feeling this way for quite some time, but today it really looks like its going to happen, and I don't even have anything lined up to replace it.

Edit:also extremely surprised that stage 1 could be done in as early as 6 days, from previous experience I've learned to take Shannon's longest estimate and add a week lol

I recall stating that it would be between 6 days and 3 weeks.  Now if we take 6 days and add a week, we are still within the range of what I specified.  I used that wide a range so that I would be more accurate, even if things go wrong.  The other option is, I can stop giving timing estimates at all, which I have repeatedly told you guys I don't like giving because they are almost always wrong when I try to be specific.

I know that's why I said longest estimate and add a week, not earliest estimate

Which would be 4 weeks out

Let's hope that's not the case, for everyone's sake.

[Shannon]

1 loop per day on, 2 days on, 2 days off

I have the impression that more and more people are shifting to this usage pattern, am I right? Especially reducing the days off from three to two. Could this become the next version of the provisional general instructions?

Indeed.  While I was calculating the initial instructions, the models were showing a pattern of accumulation of the answers in the 2-3-4 days off range.  2 and 3 were better than 4, and so I chose 3 because it would be much easier to see that it was in need of adjustment and how if that was necessary.  I was essentially expecting that this would happen, but because I was having trouble getting consistent answers, I chose to err on the side of caution.  This happens occasionally, and I try to err on the side of caution when it does.  

The most likely thing to see for the initial instructions in the not too distant future is a recommendation of 1 loop per day on, 2 days on and 2 days off.

I think in rare cases, there may be people will who benefit from 2 or even 3 loops per day on, at least initially.  Over time, that is likely to be overkill as the initial conditions are overcome.  But the vast majority should be just fine with 1 loop, 2 days on, 2 days off.

[Oversoul]

@Shannon Hey Shannon I did want to ask something since things seem to be really turning around with the new tech updates. Since for the summer you might still need to have a sub to build to make money off of have you considered consulting the models again to see if now ,due to the tech upgrades, if you can make that Psychic sub without having to come out with several different versions of it? Just thought it might be a good idea to see if the subs are now a sufficient level of power now to do that since that was one of the titles that people claimed they would definitely spend money on.

I believe DMSI unlocked some psychic senses in me (nothing dangerous) and led me into some rule 4 stuff which I cant talk about. Thats one of the reasons why I stopped posting here. The newer version of DMSI, whenever its out, likely will have a side effect of taking this further (atleast for me)