Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[RTBoss]

I started my second run of USLM v4.2 last Sunday and I have completed my first 5 days of listening.  I can't remember if I was affected in the same way on my first run, but so far I have noticed that the DRS in USLM v4.2 seems to be canceling out the effects of my morning coffee.  I have to get up early every morning and I like the effects of coffee on my brain and body in the AM.  Since the DRS prevents these effects (or at least seems to) is it possible to get the USLM v4.2 WITHOUT the DRS ?  

I got USLM v4.2 as a free upgrade since I previously purchased v4, but I would be willing to pay for a new version without the DRS.  Shannon, is this possible ?  If not, I will probably go back to using USLM v3, which has always given me great results.

I'm not sure why you would equate the Directional Reflection Shield with cancellation of caffeine.  The issue here is almost certainly the module that causes your body to override chemically induced state shifting in order to put you in, and keep you in, the ideal state of awareness in which to achieve the goals of the program.  I can't rebuild it without that.  Your best bet is going to be to try waiting until an hour or two after you've had your morning coffee to play the program, instead of playing it at night.

Hi Shannon and thanks for your reply. I noticed that I have been feeling mentally and physically sluggish ever sine I started the USLM v4.2.  It is not the same kind of tired that I got before from the subs.  This is my first sub with a DRS.  I did use USLM v4.2 briefly last year, but I had so much chaos going on in my life at the time, that it is hard for me to remember if I got sluggish from it, or if I was just going on adrenaline for a lot of that time. I looked at the DRS description page for clarification :

Recreational drug use, as well as drugs that are not typically thought of as being drugs (caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, etc.) will be affected and you may find they become significantly less enjoyable. This may also affect natural substances/supplements that shift state.

I don't smoke or drink very much, so I wasn't concerned with that.  However, I am NOT a morning person and I do find coffee to be very helpful in the morning.  I only drink 1 cup and I usually feel really good after that.  This past week, I have been feeling like I am just drinking water instead of coffee.  I have tried playing the sub at different times of the day and it has not made any difference. My gut feels different too, and I feel like I am not getting the usual amount of energy after taking my vitamins.

I know that you originally had planned to have the DRS be an add-on sub that one could use with another sub.  If it is going to be included in all the new subs, I am not sure that I will want to use them. I really wish we had the option of using it strictly as an add-on.  Maybe my system is more sensitive than others, but it's taking away from my normally great energy, and that is not how I want to feel.

I am going to re-run USLM v3 again. For me, it has been the absolute best sub I have ever used.

The tiredness you're feeling is the FRM at work and/or resistance against it (or resistance to any other part of the script).  Until that's overcome, you'll be more tired.  I'm experiencing it on Aura of Love, just like I did on LTU6.  It will be there until it is overcome, and it's usually not that long (for me).  When it stops, it's just suddenly gone.

I am also not a morning person, and a caffeine fan.  Like Shannon said, it isn't the DRS, it's that the latest subs are much more effective, and you're more effectively executing the chemical intoxicant override module (a module that is also in the DRS stand alone, which is why that point is mentioned on the DRS sales page).  I noticed my wife and I both drink more caffeine to get the same effect as before.  I also need to drink a few more beers to get any sort of buzz from alcohol than I did before.  

Anyway, please don't give up on USLM 4.2.  You need to stick with it to get past what's making you tired.

[Shannon]

Not trying to rush you but I’m trying to figure out my own timeline for starting Natural song and lyric writing, do you have an estimated time frame of when UMS2 with be completed? 

Shannon when will work on this new sub begin?
Sounds very intriguing

I'm taking the rest of today off to try to get some rest, but I have been playing with various ideas for branching off of the first example of what I'm planning to build and release.  I officially start working on it tomorrow.

Once I get past the parts that are taking forever (I'm 1/3rd of a step from finished with those), the job consists of creating the stage scripts from the master script and then building them.  I don't know exactly how long it will take to build them.  Days?  Weeks?  Obviously, I am hoping for pays each.

I also have to build something I can release this month, and that would seem to be OF v3 by the votes. Of course you guys can't vote for what I didn't mention.  But the modeling run to finalize the choice happens today, if the models are stable enough.  That I'm not sure how long it will take, again because 5.75.7G is such a new approach.

So many things are up in the air right now that I can't say when.  I am working as quickly as I can, given the circumstances I have to deal with.

[Shannon]

when is OF v3 going to be released? thanks

I don't know.

[CatMan]

LONG POST NOVEL WARNING: It's so awesome to see all the interest for OF V3!

Hey @Shannon, a few things:

1. You referenced the module for the creation of 5.75.5G some time ago. No comment on it since release. Has it performed as you envisioned? Or will it be worked on for OF V3 and beyond? I admit, after such a post, I felt kinda disappointed on the surface. That was quite a build-up! Referenced post here: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Tune-...#pid241480 .

2. I forgot to mention intermittent bouts of nausea on OF. I almost never get nausea otherwise, so this was noticeable to see it increase to like 1-2 times a week, requiring OTC to stabilise it. I recall your post about "fear/terror" from needles and getting nausea too, so I understand the rationale for it, just reporting it for possible improvements.

I have also had issues again with fapping since starting OF V1, annoyingly. Some old urges for porn, be that softcore or otherwise, have been noted as well. Even just softcore sfw images are noted. More of the same stuff from before, indirectly having interest in women in a "safe" environment. So it seems OF V2 has had yet to breach too much of that in and of itself. It's about halfway through the run to be fair, but just reporting it because I believe the next version needs to dig deeper to get at that stuff down there. It doesn't "feel" like it's going down far enough, not sure how to describe that.

Sleep schedule has been insanely hard to keep, or even GET. Virtually impossible, I hate this so much. Even if I stay up super long to try to fix it, somehow I'll get a giant burst of energy again and it'll last way through until the next stupid sleep pattern like before, lol. It's fear of "something", it seems, but who knows. "Covidsomnia" is a thing apparently, so maybe that's complicating it. But I've seen this with subs before in some cases, so due to the goal in mind with this one, it seemed plausible it'd upset my sleep.

Heart seems to pump hard and fast it feels like it's going nuts often on it, I get like tinges here and there, weird feelings. I remember with OF 5G I had to stop the sub, due to what my heart was doing when listening to it. That's NEVER happened to me before or since. Heart issues are in my family, even young men, so it's been a concern. Nothing with me specifically, just mentioning history and the thought process and why the concern surfaced about this. It's a potent reaction to the sub again on an OF sub for me, worth noting. I've noticed lately I've been consuming more and more "pop", you yanks call it "soda", lol. I was good at cutting it down for a decent while, now for a little awhile it's crept up. Maybe the caffeine is aggravating that issue with the heart, and the sleep schedule on some level as well. So maybe the detox module is partially involved in this circular pattern. I love the idea of the detox module, to be clear. Maybe it needs more muscle, I don't know. Just reporting my experience with things. But I know full well what previous OFs did to my heart, so I'm thinking it goes beyond the detox module mostly...

Hunger pangs making weight loss much harder has been noted too. This is very frustrating. I hope something can be tuned here. I lost weight years ago and have been so proud about losing 65 pounds! It really did a lot for my confidence and self esteem physically. Which I have needed if I am to cross the next bridge to execution of DMSI with women someday.

I mentioned a few of these before, but figured I'd compile them with others I noticed in advance of the new program in case they can be of benefit.

3. I get strong heat sensation on the sub when listening often. It centers around my "deep torso", it feels like the heat is deep inside my torso, somehow. It also is strong in my throat, mouth and nostrils, and right arm. Sometimes my legs. I feel the heat billowing off, it's like smoke in a sense. I like to amuse myself by breathing out and feeling the heat in my nose go out. It's weird, haha. I've had "heat sensations" in a small way before on subs, but it was only when initially listening for the first night or two maybe. This has been 8+ months of OF V1 and OF V2, and they still occur often while listening, and even when not. Was worth noting. Is that the DRS you speak of? Will it be upgraded for OF V3 as well? I suspect it could be helping me heat up to lose more weight, lol. I tend to see huge drops in weight at times, when I'm able to resist the hunger pangs. Indirect weight loss ability now for this scripting, lol. Amusing.

4. I also get random massive exhaustion hits on this. It's weird, not as often as "being forced awake" and ruining my sleep schedule. But they still happen. Was worth reporting for sure, as I know you're working to fix that going forward.

5. Could you give us a breakdown on what will be upgraded in the new OF V3? I saw changes to FRM mentioned, that's fantastic to see! 5.75.5G to 5.75.7G or more, and generically what that means improvements-wise. DRS? Negative side effects listed above? The 5.75.5G module? Etc.?

6. Dreams are often a bit hard to relate back to "overcoming fear". I don't seem to recall many if all in general during the whole run, oddly. They seem to either have seemingly nothing to do with the OF goal, or are kinda observational "wouldn't it be nice if" blue sky types. I guess the second one is showing me what's possible for me if I remove the fear behind whatever it is or something or another possibility, I don't know. Still though, the dreams are hard to relate to the sub a lot somehow for me. I don't seem to recall many if any, "scary" "fear" dreams on this, which is what you'd assume would be the norm on the sub, lol. Reminds me of DMSI/SM3, I didn't really get "girl/sex dreams" on those. Strange! Just reported it, even though I assume it's because I have to work on "preamble" stuff with fear before those dreams can happen? I don't know, sounds weird that the dreams aren't even really happening in relation to the sub. So the girls aren't even in my dreams, unlike the saying "in your dreams", LOL.

Thanks for reading my novel Shannon, lol. Looking forward to hearing more about OF V3. It'll be a winner also.

[Shannon]

LONG POST NOVEL WARNING: It's so awesome to see all the interest for OF V3!

Hey @Shannon, a few things:

1. You referenced the module for the creation of 5.75.5G some time ago. No comment on it since release. Has it performed as you envisioned? Or will it be worked on for OF V3 and beyond? I admit, after such a post, I felt kinda disappointed on the surface. That was quite a build-up! Referenced post here: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Tune-...#pid241480 .

It works well, yes.

2. I forgot to mention intermittent bouts of nausea on OF. I almost never get nausea otherwise, so this was noticeable to see it increase to like 1-2 times a week, requiring OTC to stabilise it. I recall your post about "fear/terror" from needles and getting nausea too, so I understand the rationale for it, just reporting it for possible improvements.

That would be an indication that OF is touching on things that scare you so much that it makes you nauseous.  Very close to the direct fear of death.  

I have also had issues again with fapping since starting OF V1, annoyingly. Some old urges for porn, be that softcore or otherwise, have been noted as well. Even just softcore sfw images are noted. More of the same stuff from before, indirectly having interest in women in a "safe" environment. So it seems OF V2 has had yet to breach too much of that in and of itself. It's about halfway through the run to be fair, but just reporting it because I believe the next version needs to dig deeper to get at that stuff down there. It doesn't "feel" like it's going down far enough, not sure how to describe that.

No doubt your subconscious is fighting hard to prevent the fear from being removed fast enough to make progress in certain areas.  It's not that the next version needs to dig deeper.  It's that the next version has to somehow deal with your subconscious trying to preserve the fear and causes for fear better and faster than the cooperative parts are able to deal with and process the fear and causes for the fear in ways that erase it.  It will naturally go down all the way, as long as something doesn't find a way to stop it.  Honestly, I have no idea how your subconscious is able to do a lot of what it manages to do.

Sleep schedule has been insanely hard to keep, or even GET. Virtually impossible, I hate this so much. Even if I stay up super long to try to fix it, somehow I'll get a giant burst of energy again and it'll last way through until the next stupid sleep pattern like before, lol. It's fear of "something", it seems, but who knows. "Covidsomnia" is a thing apparently, so maybe that's complicating it. But I've seen this with subs before in some cases, so due to the goal in mind with this one, it seemed plausible it'd upset my sleep.

Sleep being avoided so that the subconscious doesn't have too deal with direct processing?  Or that it can wear out the parts doing the processing?  Hmmm.

Heart seems to pump hard and fast it feels like it's going nuts often on it, I get like tinges here and there, weird feelings. I remember with OF 5G I had to stop the sub, due to what my heart was doing when listening to it. That's NEVER happened to me before or since. Heart issues are in my family, even young men, so it's been a concern. Nothing with me specifically, just mentioning history and the thought process and why the concern surfaced about this. It's a potent reaction to the sub again on an OF sub for me, worth noting. I've noticed lately I've been consuming more and more "pop", you yanks call it "soda", lol. I was good at cutting it down for a decent while, now for a little awhile it's crept up. Maybe the caffeine is aggravating that issue with the heart, and the sleep schedule on some level as well. So maybe the detox module is partially involved in this circular pattern. I love the idea of the detox module, to be clear. Maybe it needs more muscle, I don't know. Just reporting my experience with things. But I know full well what previous OFs did to my heart, so I'm thinking it goes beyond the detox module mostly...

Hunger pangs making weight loss much harder has been noted too. This is very frustrating. I hope something can be tuned here. I lost weight years ago and have been so proud about losing 65 pounds! It really did a lot for my confidence and self esteem physically. Which I have needed if I am to cross the next bridge to execution of DMSI with women someday.

I mentioned a few of these before, but figured I'd compile them with others I noticed in advance of the new program in case they can be of benefit.

So basically all of this tells me that FRM and OF v2 is close to doing the job but you're subconsciously finding ways to interfere with the process as it gets to the real nitty gritty.  There is definitely serious struggle for control going on here.  That is a good sign, it means the program is definitely on the right track.  We need something more though.

3. I get strong heat sensation on the sub when listening often. It centers around my "deep torso", it feels like the heat is deep inside my torso, somehow. It also is strong in my throat, mouth and nostrils, and right arm. Sometimes my legs. I feel the heat billowing off, it's like smoke in a sense. I like to amuse myself by breathing out and feeling the heat in my nose go out. It's weird, haha. I've had "heat sensations" in a small way before on subs, but it was only when initially listening for the first night or two maybe. This has been 8+ months of OF V1 and OF V2, and they still occur often while listening, and even when not. Was worth noting. Is that the DRS you speak of? Will it be upgraded for OF V3 as well? I suspect it could be helping me heat up to lose more weight, lol. I tend to see huge drops in weight at times, when I'm able to resist the hunger pangs. Indirect weight loss ability now for this scripting, lol. Amusing.

It is common for me to feel "heat" emanating from my body when I am projecting a powered aura strongly; last night I was so warm that GF couldn't snuggle as we were going to sleep, and I had to have the covers off even though it was the right temperature.  So it very likely is the aura, but who knows.  I haven't heard of it being expressed in parts of the body only.

4. I also get random massive exhaustion hits on this. It's weird, not as often as "being forced awake" and ruining my sleep schedule. But they still happen. Was worth reporting for sure, as I know you're working to fix that going forward.

That of course will be what happens when the struggle is relatively evenly matched and it is two or more opposing parts using up your energy in a very rapid manner.

5. Could you give us a breakdown on what will be upgraded in the new OF V3? I saw changes to FRM mentioned, that's fantastic to see! 5.75.5G to 5.75.7G or more, naturally. DRS? Negative side effects listed above? The 5.75.5G module? Etc.?

The skeleton script will be upgraded.  The Platinum Lake settings will be upgraded.  The key script will be upgraded.  The FRM will be upgraded.  There will be changes and upgrades to other aspects of the configuration and build settings as well.  It doesn't sound like much, but that's because I can't tell you the details of what's happening.  This post will help me understand what needs to be added/adjusted/upgraded in the FRM.  

6. Dreams are often a bit hard to relate back to "overcoming fear". They seem to either have seemingly nothing to do with the OF goal, or are kinda observational "wouldn't it be nice if" types. I guess the second one is showing me what's possible for me if I remove the fear behind whatever it is or something. Still though, the dreams are hard to relate to the sub a lot. I don't seem to recall many if any, "scary" "fear" dreams on this. Reminds me of DMSI/SM3, I didn't really get "girl/sex dreams" on those. Strange! Just reported it, even though I assume it's because I have to work on "preamble" stuff with fear before those dreams can happen? I don't know, sounds weird that the dreams aren't even really happening in relation to the sub. So the girls aren't even in my dreams, unlike the saying "in your dreams", LOL.

Thanks for reading my novel Shannon, lol. Looking forward to hearing more about OF V3. It'll be a winner also.

Look at your expectations and assumptions here.  You're expecting scary dreams.  Maybe there are none, and maybe they're being forgotten.  Maybe the dreams you remember are being decided upon by your fearful subconscious?

You bring up some interesting points in this post.  Useful reporting.  Thank you.

[fab10]

No problem Shannon i understand that you are buisy and active here on the forum and that you have your private life. Everything ok.

I would like to do a test run for especialy this kind of situations where I can not avoid people who are somekind close to me (in a phisical sense) to see if it can do anny healing,and if the love that is being generated will be repulsive to them so that their attacs stop.

Acording to my understanding of energies, and energetic work, love should be repulsive to the attackers to the point where attacks stop and the atackers are not interested in their "prey" annymore.

I will for shure give you updates on this matter and how it goes...if it would be too much...I have DRS in my collection also.

If I understood you good what you wrote....I can just jump right on to DRS (or AOL) without anny pause and even witout finishing the 4-th cycle of MHS.

-Today I have been having like short sparks of love and a sense of happyness and playfullness, I guess that are TID-s from AOL,and a week before I felt somekind of shield (weird cause I am listening toMHS) in the form of a sphere all around me I would say more than five meters in diameter from me and it felt like impermeable, I have not felt that while listening to DRS plus I have an urge to run it since you have put AOL in the store-

If you think you can handle it, finishing the ASRB2 cycle of MHS is going to be helpful.  If not, switching straight away may cause turbulence, but it is possible.

If you want to use AOL instead, be my guest.  I certainly can use the feedback.  5 meters in diameter is a pretty big auric projection, from what I have seen... around 12 feet radius.  Not bad at all.  And impenetrable, that sounds even better.

Unless the attackers are actually physically inside the shield, then the love won't be affecting them, most likely.  If they are inside the shield, it may not prevent or reflect their attacks.  It would be very interesting to see how things go if you do use it.  Sounds like you will.

I shure will.
But I am also thinking if to do or not to do one more cycle of MHS...will see how I feel tomorow.

Thank you

 Sorry @Shannon this post gets longer and longer...

I tried to do one more ASRB2 cycle of MHS (last night I started the fourth cycle), but since that beasts (people) are coming tomorrow all those attacks are getting too devastating on my body, and I would even say that all this attack's are somehow blocking and overloading (best word's I could think of right now that would describe what is going on) the detox MHS started, and because of the attack's the body produces even more waste, so probably it will be better to stop MHS and start it again in a more favorable time.

Btw the same thing happened the last time the same relatives came, a week before those energies started to destroy me, but at that time I was listening to OFv1 so, the shield was on, and the attacks were I would say 50% less serious than now without a shield, and I could somehow handle that and defend myself...and what is more interesting, one week before they left, the attacks went down to the 10% of strength and continued until they started to think of me less (the physical distance was too big for them to continue)

(just to mention...some fears resurfacing as this attacks happen, life treating fears)

So, the plan is to stop MHS and to start AOL right away this evening.

uhhhh....not in a nice place now...I feel broken...and trying to find a way how to resolve this, but the main problem is I can not do anything to stop them giving me this energies and draining me, that is a problem they do not want to resolve within themselves, this time I will try to expose them to love so they can "learn" and eventually stop doing that (I would give them love even before if those attack's did not block me and if I was not so concentrated in removing fears) so this is why I will do a test ride with AOL.

Will keep you informed in what happens next.

Thanks.  I look forward to seeing how Aura of Love works for this situation.

I also deal with “beasts” regularly. In my experience, stand-alone DRS is the way to go. The good thing about DRS is that it either stops them or flips them right away. If they are extremely hurtful and aggressive, it knocks them out. Maybe you could use DRS when they are around and the attacks are stronger and AOL at other times.

[fab10]

What did you think of being able to run AOL at just one loop a day?  How did you like AOL?

I don’t own AOL but I can’t wait to run a one-loop-a-day program. I wish IYE was that short - listening time longer than 7 hours is challenging for me. I had the same problem with the longest stage of LTU6. A listening time shorter than 3 hours would also allow me to listen to Hybrid, which I like a lot but can’t handle during sleep.

[fab10]

"Who else would be interested in OF v3?"

Another instabuy here, no matter how many cycles or how many months (even though I would prefer shorter of course.)

[UniversalMan]

If you think you can handle it, finishing the ASRB2 cycle of MHS is going to be helpful.  If not, switching straight away may cause turbulence, but it is possible.

If you want to use AOL instead, be my guest.  I certainly can use the feedback.  5 meters in diameter is a pretty big auric projection, from what I have seen... around 12 feet radius.  Not bad at all.  And impenetrable, that sounds even better.

Unless the attackers are actually physically inside the shield, then the love won't be affecting them, most likely.  If they are inside the shield, it may not prevent or reflect their attacks.  It would be very interesting to see how things go if you do use it.  Sounds like you will.

I shure will.
But I am also thinking if to do or not to do one more cycle of MHS...will see how I feel tomorow.

Thank you

 Sorry @Shannon this post gets longer and longer...

I tried to do one more ASRB2 cycle of MHS (last night I started the fourth cycle), but since that beasts (people) are coming tomorrow all those attacks are getting too devastating on my body, and I would even say that all this attack's are somehow blocking and overloading (best word's I could think of right now that would describe what is going on) the detox MHS started, and because of the attack's the body produces even more waste, so probably it will be better to stop MHS and start it again in a more favorable time.

Btw the same thing happened the last time the same relatives came, a week before those energies started to destroy me, but at that time I was listening to OFv1 so, the shield was on, and the attacks were I would say 50% less serious than now without a shield, and I could somehow handle that and defend myself...and what is more interesting, one week before they left, the attacks went down to the 10% of strength and continued until they started to think of me less (the physical distance was too big for them to continue)

(just to mention...some fears resurfacing as this attacks happen, life treating fears)

So, the plan is to stop MHS and to start AOL right away this evening.

uhhhh....not in a nice place now...I feel broken...and trying to find a way how to resolve this, but the main problem is I can not do anything to stop them giving me this energies and draining me, that is a problem they do not want to resolve within themselves, this time I will try to expose them to love so they can "learn" and eventually stop doing that (I would give them love even before if those attack's did not block me and if I was not so concentrated in removing fears) so this is why I will do a test ride with AOL.

Will keep you informed in what happens next.

Thanks.  I look forward to seeing how Aura of Love works for this situation.

I also deal with “beasts” regularly. In my experience, stand-alone DRS is the way to go. The good thing about DRS is that it either stops them or flips them right away. If they are extremely hurtful and aggressive, it knocks them out.  Maybe you could use DRS when they are around and the attacks are stronger and AOL at other times.

Regularly? Day to day? Cause I get no pause time @fab10 .... 
In my opinion, AOL works better for the current state I am in.
Except the shield, I also need some universal healing, and as I see it, AOL is providing me exactly that.

[Rossignol17]

I started my second run of USLM v4.2 last Sunday and I have completed my first 5 days of listening.  I can't remember if I was affected in the same way on my first run, but so far I have noticed that the DRS in USLM v4.2 seems to be canceling out the effects of my morning coffee.  I have to get up early every morning and I like the effects of coffee on my brain and body in the AM.  Since the DRS prevents these effects (or at least seems to) is it possible to get the USLM v4.2 WITHOUT the DRS ?  

I got USLM v4.2 as a free upgrade since I previously purchased v4, but I would be willing to pay for a new version without the DRS.  Shannon, is this possible ?  If not, I will probably go back to using USLM v3, which has always given me great results.

I'm not sure why you would equate the Directional Reflection Shield with cancellation of caffeine.  The issue here is almost certainly the module that causes your body to override chemically induced state shifting in order to put you in, and keep you in, the ideal state of awareness in which to achieve the goals of the program.  I can't rebuild it without that.  Your best bet is going to be to try waiting until an hour or two after you've had your morning coffee to play the program, instead of playing it at night.

Hi Shannon and thanks for your reply. I noticed that I have been feeling mentally and physically sluggish ever sine I started the USLM v4.2.  It is not the same kind of tired that I got before from the subs.  This is my first sub with a DRS.  I did use USLM v4.2 briefly last year, but I had so much chaos going on in my life at the time, that it is hard for me to remember if I got sluggish from it, or if I was just going on adrenaline for a lot of that time. I looked at the DRS description page for clarification :

Recreational drug use, as well as drugs that are not typically thought of as being drugs (caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, etc.) will be affected and you may find they become significantly less enjoyable. This may also affect natural substances/supplements that shift state.

I don't smoke or drink very much, so I wasn't concerned with that.  However, I am NOT a morning person and I do find coffee to be very helpful in the morning.  I only drink 1 cup and I usually feel really good after that.  This past week, I have been feeling like I am just drinking water instead of coffee.  I have tried playing the sub at different times of the day and it has not made any difference. My gut feels different too, and I feel like I am not getting the usual amount of energy after taking my vitamins.

I know that you originally had planned to have the DRS be an add-on sub that one could use with another sub.  If it is going to be included in all the new subs, I am not sure that I will want to use them. I really wish we had the option of using it strictly as an add-on.  Maybe my system is more sensitive than others, but it's taking away from my normally great energy, and that is not how I want to feel.

I am going to re-run USLM v3 again. For me, it has been the absolute best sub I have ever used.

The tiredness you're feeling is the FRM at work and/or resistance against it (or resistance to any other part of the script).  Until that's overcome, you'll be more tired.  I'm experiencing it on Aura of Love, just like I did on LTU6.  It will be there until it is overcome, and it's usually not that long (for me).  When it stops, it's just suddenly gone.

I am also not a morning person, and a caffeine fan.  Like Shannon said, it isn't the DRS, it's that the latest subs are much more effective, and you're more effectively executing the chemical intoxicant override module (a module that is also in the DRS stand alone, which is why that point is mentioned on the DRS sales page).  I noticed my wife and I both drink more caffeine to get the same effect as before.  I also need to drink a few more beers to get any sort of buzz from alcohol than I did before.  

Anyway, please don't give up on USLM 4.2.  You need to stick with it to get past what's making you tired.

Thanks for your reply RT. I enjoy reading your posts because you always have something interesting to say. Given that you have been using the subs which contain the DRS (with the chemical state shifting override module) and have experienced reduced effects from caffeine yourself, with the need to increase your caffeine intake, I feel that you are essentially corroborating my experience with the DRS in USLM v4.2. I have been both caffeinated and un-caffeinated during various periods of my life so I know the difference, and I know my body very well. The entire last week of using USLM v4.2 has to me felt like being un-caffeinated; so yes, I am executing the chemical state shifting override module very well. But now you and Shannon are saying that I am resisting the script. You can't have it both ways.

I have used USLM v3 with much success in the past, both while caffeinated AND un-caffeinated so I do not feel like caffeine affects my ability to manifest and attain my intentions. The whole idea that I would have to override caffeine to manifest something does not ring true to me. I also wonder if the chemical state shifting override module is affecting my ability to power my methylation cycle that I get from my B vitamins, which could affect my dopamine/noradrenaline/adrenaline/serotonin balance, which could also affect energy levels. That is not something I want. I have spent a lot of time finding the right supplements for me. I'm sure you already know that in nutrition there is no "one-size-fits-all". Maybe that goes for subs too. Maybe everyone does not need the chemical state shifting override module. Maybe everyone does not need the DRS.

I have already proven that I DO execute USLM and I have backed that claim up with photos of my successes, and I have shared my methods with you Shannon because you asked me to. I reported my successes. And I did this without a DRS. Now you are claiming I am "resisting". I am not going to lie about what the sub is doing or how I am feeling on it. I am not attacking you or your subs, I am just reporting honestly, so please don't think I am just trying to start an argument. Maybe everything does not boil down to "resisting".

In light of the fact that you have brought back some of the older tech subs, and given that I and many others here on the forum have have great success with USLM v3, maybe you could offer that to those who do not want the DRS in their sub. The bottom line for me is that I would like a choice whether or not to have the DRS, and I wish it was not automatically included in all the newer subs. I have already proven that I can execute the sub without it and I don't want it affecting my own bio-chemical processes that I have worked very hard to balance to what I consider optimal levels for me.

[Nox]

I started my second run of USLM v4.2 last Sunday and I have completed my first 5 days of listening.  I can't remember if I was affected in the same way on my first run, but so far I have noticed that the DRS in USLM v4.2 seems to be canceling out the effects of my morning coffee.  I have to get up early every morning and I like the effects of coffee on my brain and body in the AM.  Since the DRS prevents these effects (or at least seems to) is it possible to get the USLM v4.2 WITHOUT the DRS ?  

I got USLM v4.2 as a free upgrade since I previously purchased v4, but I would be willing to pay for a new version without the DRS.  Shannon, is this possible ?  If not, I will probably go back to using USLM v3, which has always given me great results.

I'm not sure why you would equate the Directional Reflection Shield with cancellation of caffeine.  The issue here is almost certainly the module that causes your body to override chemically induced state shifting in order to put you in, and keep you in, the ideal state of awareness in which to achieve the goals of the program.  I can't rebuild it without that.  Your best bet is going to be to try waiting until an hour or two after you've had your morning coffee to play the program, instead of playing it at night.

Hi Shannon and thanks for your reply. I noticed that I have been feeling mentally and physically sluggish ever sine I started the USLM v4.2.  It is not the same kind of tired that I got before from the subs.  This is my first sub with a DRS.  I did use USLM v4.2 briefly last year, but I had so much chaos going on in my life at the time, that it is hard for me to remember if I got sluggish from it, or if I was just going on adrenaline for a lot of that time. I looked at the DRS description page for clarification :

Recreational drug use, as well as drugs that are not typically thought of as being drugs (caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, etc.) will be affected and you may find they become significantly less enjoyable. This may also affect natural substances/supplements that shift state.

I don't smoke or drink very much, so I wasn't concerned with that.  However, I am NOT a morning person and I do find coffee to be very helpful in the morning.  I only drink 1 cup and I usually feel really good after that.  This past week, I have been feeling like I am just drinking water instead of coffee.  I have tried playing the sub at different times of the day and it has not made any difference. My gut feels different too, and I feel like I am not getting the usual amount of energy after taking my vitamins.

I know that you originally had planned to have the DRS be an add-on sub that one could use with another sub.  If it is going to be included in all the new subs, I am not sure that I will want to use them. I really wish we had the option of using it strictly as an add-on.  Maybe my system is more sensitive than others, but it's taking away from my normally great energy, and that is not how I want to feel.

I am going to re-run USLM v3 again. For me, it has been the absolute best sub I have ever used.

The tiredness you're feeling is the FRM at work and/or resistance against it (or resistance to any other part of the script).  Until that's overcome, you'll be more tired.  I'm experiencing it on Aura of Love, just like I did on LTU6.  It will be there until it is overcome, and it's usually not that long (for me).  When it stops, it's just suddenly gone.

I am also not a morning person, and a caffeine fan.  Like Shannon said, it isn't the DRS, it's that the latest subs are much more effective, and you're more effectively executing the chemical intoxicant override module (a module that is also in the DRS stand alone, which is why that point is mentioned on the DRS sales page).  I noticed my wife and I both drink more caffeine to get the same effect as before.  I also need to drink a few more beers to get any sort of buzz from alcohol than I did before.  

Anyway, please don't give up on USLM 4.2.  You need to stick with it to get past what's making you tired.

Thanks for your reply RT.  I enjoy reading your posts because you always have something interesting to say. Given that you have been using the subs which contain the DRS (with the chemical state shifting override module) and have experienced reduced effects from caffeine yourself, with the need to increase your caffeine intake, I feel that you are essentially corroborating my experience with the DRS in USLM v4.2.  I have been both caffeinated and un-caffeinated during various periods of my life so I know the difference, and I know my body very well. The entire last week of using USLM v4.2 has to me felt like being un-caffeinated; so yes, I am executing the chemical state shifting override module very well.  But now you and Shannon are saying that I am resisting the script. You can't have it both ways.

I have used USLM v3 with much success in the past, both while caffeinated AND un-caffeinated so I do not feel like caffeine affects my ability to manifest and attain my intentions. The whole idea that I would have to override caffeine to manifest something does not ring true to me. I also wonder if the chemical state shifting override module is affecting my ability to power my methylation cycle that I get from my B vitamins, which could affect my dopamine/noradrenaline/adrenaline/serotonin balance, which could also affect energy levels.  That is not something I want.  I have spent a lot of time finding the right supplements for me.  I'm sure you already know that in nutrition there is no "one-size-fits-all". Maybe that goes for subs too.  Maybe everyone does not need the chemical state shifting override module. Maybe everyone does not need the DRS.

I have already proven that I DO execute USLM and I have backed that claim up with photos of my successes, and I have shared my methods with you Shannon because you asked me to. I reported my successes.  And I did this without a DRS. Now you are claiming I am "resisting".  I am not going to lie about what the sub is doing or how I am feeling on it.  I am not attacking you or your subs, I am just reporting honestly, so please don't think I am just trying to start an argument. Maybe everything does not boil down to "resisting".

In light of the fact that you have brought back some of the older tech subs, and given that I and many others here on the forum have have great success with USLM v3, maybe you could offer that to those who do not want the DRS in their sub. The bottom line for me is that I would like a choice whether or not to have the DRS, and I wish it was not automatically included in all the newer subs. I have already proven that I can execute the sub without it and I don't want it affecting my own bio-chemical processes that I have worked very hard to balance to what I consider optimal levels for me.

Just keep listening to the sub man.  Everyone goes through this and it isn't long term.  It goes away.

If you need your caffeine to have more of an effect just add some tyrosine to it until you're back to normal.

[Shannon]

I started my second run of USLM v4.2 last Sunday and I have completed my first 5 days of listening.  I can't remember if I was affected in the same way on my first run, but so far I have noticed that the DRS in USLM v4.2 seems to be canceling out the effects of my morning coffee.  I have to get up early every morning and I like the effects of coffee on my brain and body in the AM.  Since the DRS prevents these effects (or at least seems to) is it possible to get the USLM v4.2 WITHOUT the DRS ?  

I got USLM v4.2 as a free upgrade since I previously purchased v4, but I would be willing to pay for a new version without the DRS.  Shannon, is this possible ?  If not, I will probably go back to using USLM v3, which has always given me great results.

I'm not sure why you would equate the Directional Reflection Shield with cancellation of caffeine.  The issue here is almost certainly the module that causes your body to override chemically induced state shifting in order to put you in, and keep you in, the ideal state of awareness in which to achieve the goals of the program.  I can't rebuild it without that.  Your best bet is going to be to try waiting until an hour or two after you've had your morning coffee to play the program, instead of playing it at night.

Hi Shannon and thanks for your reply. I noticed that I have been feeling mentally and physically sluggish ever sine I started the USLM v4.2.  It is not the same kind of tired that I got before from the subs.  This is my first sub with a DRS.  I did use USLM v4.2 briefly last year, but I had so much chaos going on in my life at the time, that it is hard for me to remember if I got sluggish from it, or if I was just going on adrenaline for a lot of that time. I looked at the DRS description page for clarification :

Recreational drug use, as well as drugs that are not typically thought of as being drugs (caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, etc.) will be affected and you may find they become significantly less enjoyable. This may also affect natural substances/supplements that shift state.

I don't smoke or drink very much, so I wasn't concerned with that.  However, I am NOT a morning person and I do find coffee to be very helpful in the morning.  I only drink 1 cup and I usually feel really good after that.  This past week, I have been feeling like I am just drinking water instead of coffee.  I have tried playing the sub at different times of the day and it has not made any difference. My gut feels different too, and I feel like I am not getting the usual amount of energy after taking my vitamins.

I know that you originally had planned to have the DRS be an add-on sub that one could use with another sub.  If it is going to be included in all the new subs, I am not sure that I will want to use them. I really wish we had the option of using it strictly as an add-on.  Maybe my system is more sensitive than others, but it's taking away from my normally great energy, and that is not how I want to feel.

I am going to re-run USLM v3 again. For me, it has been the absolute best sub I have ever used.

The tiredness you're feeling is the FRM at work and/or resistance against it (or resistance to any other part of the script).  Until that's overcome, you'll be more tired.  I'm experiencing it on Aura of Love, just like I did on LTU6.  It will be there until it is overcome, and it's usually not that long (for me).  When it stops, it's just suddenly gone.

I am also not a morning person, and a caffeine fan.  Like Shannon said, it isn't the DRS, it's that the latest subs are much more effective, and you're more effectively executing the chemical intoxicant override module (a module that is also in the DRS stand alone, which is why that point is mentioned on the DRS sales page).  I noticed my wife and I both drink more caffeine to get the same effect as before.  I also need to drink a few more beers to get any sort of buzz from alcohol than I did before.  

Anyway, please don't give up on USLM 4.2.  You need to stick with it to get past what's making you tired.

Thanks for your reply RT.  I enjoy reading your posts because you always have something interesting to say. Given that you have been using the subs which contain the DRS (with the chemical state shifting override module) and have experienced reduced effects from caffeine yourself, with the need to increase your caffeine intake, I feel that you are essentially corroborating my experience with the DRS in USLM v4.2.  I have been both caffeinated and un-caffeinated during various periods of my life so I know the difference, and I know my body very well. The entire last week of using USLM v4.2 has to me felt like being un-caffeinated; so yes, I am executing the chemical state shifting override module very well.  But now you and Shannon are saying that I am resisting the script. You can't have it both ways.

I have used USLM v3 with much success in the past, both while caffeinated AND un-caffeinated so I do not feel like caffeine affects my ability to manifest and attain my intentions. The whole idea that I would have to override caffeine to manifest something does not ring true to me. I also wonder if the chemical state shifting override module is affecting my ability to power my methylation cycle that I get from my B vitamins, which could affect my dopamine/noradrenaline/adrenaline/serotonin balance, which could also affect energy levels.  That is not something I want.  I have spent a lot of time finding the right supplements for me.  I'm sure you already know that in nutrition there is no "one-size-fits-all". Maybe that goes for subs too.  Maybe everyone does not need the chemical state shifting override module. Maybe everyone does not need the DRS.

I have already proven that I DO execute USLM and I have backed that claim up with photos of my successes, and I have shared my methods with you Shannon because you asked me to. I reported my successes.  And I did this without a DRS. Now you are claiming I am "resisting".  I am not going to lie about what the sub is doing or how I am feeling on it.  I am not attacking you or your subs, I am just reporting honestly, so please don't think I am just trying to start an argument. Maybe everything does not boil down to "resisting".

In light of the fact that you have brought back some of the older tech subs, and given that I and many others here on the forum have have great success with USLM v3, maybe you could offer that to those who do not want the DRS in their sub. The bottom line for me is that I would like a choice whether or not to have the DRS, and I wish it was not automatically included in all the newer subs. I have already proven that I can execute the sub without it and I don't want it affecting my own bio-chemical processes that I have worked very hard to balance to what I consider optimal levels for me.

Once again... Directional Reflection Shield is a module, and the state shift override is a module.  They have nothing to do with one another.  Directional Reflection Shield is also a stand alone program, which has the state shift override active as a module.  DRS isn't the issue here.  You're not happy with the chemical state shift override module doing it's job.

That module is designed to keep you in the ideal state of awareness in which to achieve the program goals.  If caffeine takes you out of that state, then your body will override the state shifting effects and put you back into the ideal state of awareness for achieving the goals of the program.  It's the same for alcohol, nicotine, and any other drug that shifts your state of awareness.  It doesn't affect anything but your state of awareness; the drug is still in your system doing its thing.  If the only thing the drug does is shift your state of awareness, then the state shift override module will cancel out that drug to the best of its ability.  Vitamins and nutrition won't be negatively affected, and neither will medications.  The script is designed to shut down when it is a prescription medication doing the state shifting, so that the medication takes precedence and does what it's supposed to do.

I said that some of what you describe sounds like resistance.  It is quite possible for you to be experiencing state shift override and resistance at the same time.  I'm not saying you are resisting, I'm saying that some of what you decribed is suggestive of resistance.

If you don't like the effects of the state shift override module, then your best bet is to go back to USLM 3.0, because I am done building USLM for a long time.  I have to move to other things.  Other people simply compensate by ingesting enough of whatever drug they want to be affected by to override the state shift override, and I'm not hearing complaints about it otherwise.  If a module designed to help you guys get better results from the programs is a problem, then with enough votes I'll be glad to remove it from the skeleton script in the future.

[CatMan]

Hey Shannon!

Great exchange the other day. I'm glad my post could help. That's reassuring for things going forward. Keep in mind I've seen things already on the sub, it isn't like it's nothing but negative side effects. For example, as I stated before, I removed the numbers of all females from my phone and let them contact me first over time. If they did, great. If not, I have not reached out. Some have, some haven't. They have seemed surprised I did it, which is amusing. I guess guys don't do that. Now I don't feel like crap when I get a non-response for whatever reason, and don't feel like chasing any contact now. I suppose that's a plus, it's something I wasn't able to do ever, I'd always be pining and chasing somehow I admit. Trying to "make something happen", which never works.

Also, the sub is making certain non girl/sex "way off/impossible things" seems much closer to my reality. That's interesting. Procrastination is a serious problem to put some of those things into action though annoyingly...hopefully procrastination can be fixed somehow with the next version. Very annoying problem, like an "invisible wall" between something you really want and you. Not sure why or how it's happening. I saw your post before about procrastination being a highly motivated attempt to avoid being told what to do. But I'm not sure how to handle it if it's coming from an internal source, something one wants to do themself. It's likely fear in the end so hopefully you can get OF V3 to address this. But I'm just referencing your older post to someone about this as I found it interesting.

Just wanted to confirm because you mentioned in an earlier post that you'd decide which program to make after some model run. I assume OF V3 is next. I don't know what your alternates are like you said, but a confirmation would be nice. It'd be amazing to have it sometime in May, wow! How exciting.

Thanks a lot, Shannon!

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon!

Great exchange the other day. I'm glad my post could help. That's reassuring for things going forward. Keep in mind I've seen things already on the sub, it isn't like it's nothing but negative side effects. For example, as I stated before, I removed the numbers of all females from my phone and let them contact me first over time. If they did, great. If not, I have not reached out. Some have, some haven't. They have seemed surprised I did it, which is amusing. I guess guys don't do that. Now I don't feel like crap when I get a non-response for whatever reason, and don't feel like chasing any contact now. I suppose that's a plus, it's something I wasn't able to do ever, I'd always be pining and chasing somehow I admit. Trying to "make something happen", which never works.

Also, the sub is making certain non girl/sex "way off/impossible things" seems much closer to my reality. That's interesting. Procrastination is a serious problem to put some of those things into action though annoyingly...hopefully procrastination can be fixed somehow with the next version. Very annoying problem, like an "invisible wall" between something you really want and you. Not sure why or how it's happening. I saw your post before about procrastination being a highly motivated attempt to avoid being told what to do. But I'm not sure how to handle it if it's coming from an internal source, something one wants to do themself. It's likely fear in the end so hopefully you can get OF V3 to address this. But I'm just referencing your older post to someone about this as I found it interesting.

Just wanted to confirm because you mentioned in an earlier post that you'd decide which program to make after some model run. I assume OF V3 is next. I don't know what your alternates are like you said, but a confirmation would be nice. It'd be amazing to have it sometime in May, wow! How exciting.

Thanks a lot, Shannon!

I still haven't had a chance yet to finalize the next sub to be built, but it's down to two options.  If it's OF v3, you are looking at a VERY different program between v2 and v3 because of the limits that 5.75.7G removes.