Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[NOMAD]

From Shannon’s journal:

I will begin focusing more on programs designed for in the moment usage or shorter term usage. Those titles are still being contemplated, but I think we can improve on such things as the sleep aid, awakener, pain relief, etc as one potential path. I will continue to contemplate that.

If you can safely script a badass, ultra-concentrated, in the moment aphrodisiac aimed at married/committed relationships, that would sexually arouse, heighten physical sensitivity, and maximize the emotional response to sex, I'm in. The intent of what I'm describing would be for existing committed relationships between legal adults where consensual sex already exists and where the affected users are willing to accept the personal responsibility for executing the sub. 

I know SDM exists, but I'm describing something hyper-targeted and tuned for in the moment use only and designed for the audience I noted above in an attempt to avoid misuse. I think this would be really enjoyable for us married guys and our wives, while avoiding problems with derailing the primary sub we're running. I realize that there are safety concerns with a sub like this, so maybe this suggestion is still a pipe dream, even with the target audience I mentioned. It's a shame we live in a world where asshats can ruin something that the rest of us would enjoy immensely.

In any case, this is the only thing I can currently think of that I would be interested in using outside of my primary sub. I would imagine that it could could help bring in some nice "in the moment" excitement that some of the more foundational subs might lack.

***ADDENDUM***

As I typed that last paragraph, it occurred to me that maybe in the moment subs geared at maximizing the enjoyment of whatever activity is going on might be something people would be interested in. For instance, when played before going to a concert, festival, dinner, birthday party, or even mowing the grass...every positive aspect of that experience is identified, focused on, and amplified (physically, emotionally, and otherwise) so that the user is immersed in an overwhelmingly positive experience.

The more I think about it, anything that could sprinkle in some fun to help offset the day to day monotony (or pangs, whatever the case may be) that tends to accompany developmental stuff could potentially sell well. After all, no work & no play makes [insert sub user] a dull boy.

[fab10]

Hey Shannon, isn't DRS generally SOP now? 

I just think you wouldn't have many sales for it due to that. I think it'd be redundant because of the fact it's in several of the programs now. Especially since LTU (stage 7) and OF V2 have it in 5.75.5G format. UMS V2 etc. will as well most likely. So, not sure what the REAL market of that will be for you in reality. People would have to forego the other programs to use it properly, not sure who would do that realistically...

Hey @CatMan, I believe that my suggestion makes it clear that a new and updated DRS wouldn’t be redundant nor would force users to forego other programs. 
I am running LTU and I assure you that the DRS in LTU isn’t nearly as powerful as the stand-alone version (despite the stand-alone being an older technology), the reason being that the focus is necessarily split with 12 other titles, or so I believe.
As for foregoing other titles, we are talking of an itm boost to use mostly alongside other programs in a moment of need like a difficult conversation or before meeting a very negative person. If you were on the receiving end of the ridiculous shit that his thrown my way you’d know what I mean.
Eventually only Shannon can decide if it’s worth his time, all I know for sure is that I would buy it.

As for other ideas: I’d definitely buy an in-the-moment pain relief if it’s built in such a way as to not derail the main program. Another option could be a calm down/stay centered/don’t spin your wheels, an adaptation of tranquilizer I guess.

[NOMAD]

From Shannon’s journal:

I will begin focusing more on programs designed for in the moment usage or shorter term usage. Those titles are still being contemplated, but I think we can improve on such things as the sleep aid, awakener, pain relief, etc as one potential path. I will continue to contemplate that.

Would it make sense to add DRS to that list? As an optimized in-the-moment quick fix to use  by itself or, more likely, as a boost alongside other programs? (I am aware that most programs contain DRS already but I feel the need for a shield boost in some situations.)

If you do, I hereby commit to buying it the very day it’s published.

Signed - the biggest DRS fan

Not a bad idea.  I think an updated version of DRS could be quite impressive.

Hey Shannon, isn't DRS generally SOP now?

I just think you wouldn't have many sales for it due to that. I think it'd be redundant because of the fact it's in several of the programs now. Especially since LTU (stage 7) and OF V2 have it in 5.75.5G format. UMS V2 etc. will as well most likely. So, not sure what the REAL market of that will be for you in reality. People would have to forego the other programs to use it properly, not sure who would do that realistically...

It isn't redundant. Fab10 already explained why.

OF is also SOP, but layering it in with the primary sub has proven to help several users on several occasions.

Since you don't want to build DMSI now it seems due to the FRM aura issue that is still unsolved sadly, and that would be free anyway, ways to generate income are a bit sparse. I'd love the anti-aging sub, but that needs time as we've said. IYPS needs time it seems too, unfortunately. Grow Taller could be intriguing, not sure your take on that for it being possible now (or not sure of it's widespread appeal compared to below, to be honest). IYPS or GT, DMSI would be amazing, not sure how realistic they are now, that's up to you.

From someone who has been rooting for you since I first began reading your posts, these subtle "digs" are starting to get annoying. At this point, I'm pretty sure Shannon knows you want to be taller, have a bigger dick, and screw hot women. I doubt that he needs to be continually poked with a stick as a reminder.

[NOMAD]

Hey @CatMan, I believe that my suggestion makes it clear that a new and updated DRS wouldn’t be redundant nor would force users to forego other programs. 

Your suggestion was perfectly clear and perfectly reasonable.

[Yous]

Im reading to all of your suggestions. Good ideas.

I have a really simple one really similar to one suggested now. A subliminal that only put you in the best mood for achieving something that you want.  Hearing it in the moment with the mobile. There could be many subliminals in this way...

[Shannon]

Dear Shannon,

I have been using the new USLM for about 2 months now. So far, I only notice that I have vivid dreams every day, often several times a night. At the beginning I had a few nightmares, but now they are just normal dreams. I also did not have vivid dreams every day in the beginning, now it is every day.

All in all, interesting to notice what the subliminal is doing, but I am not seeing much actual results.

What do you think about resistance in my case? Should I continue as before, or change usage or something like that?

Thanks.

Given the results you see, it seems reasonable to me that you're probably dealing with the FRM working you through some sort of fears that have been slowing things down.  I suggest you keep going for a while longer and see if anything changes.

Now you don't say how you're using it, what format, what player, what volume, etc.  If you get more specific I can be more specific with suggestions.  Unfortunately, I can't remember what everyone's usage patterns are even if you tell me, so if you think that might be a part of the issue, share that with me and I'll see if I can find something further to suggest.

[Shannon]

From Shannon’s journal:

I will begin focusing more on programs designed for in the moment usage or shorter term usage. Those titles are still being contemplated, but I think we can improve on such things as the sleep aid, awakener, pain relief, etc as one potential path. I will continue to contemplate that.

Would it make sense to add DRS to that list? As an optimized in-the-moment quick fix to use  by itself or, more likely, as a boost alongside other programs? (I am aware that most programs contain DRS already but I feel the need for a shield boost in some situations.)

If you do, I hereby commit to buying it the very day it’s published.

Signed - the biggest DRS fan

Not a bad idea.  I think an updated version of DRS could be quite impressive.

Hey Shannon, isn't DRS generally SOP now?

I just think you wouldn't have many sales for it due to that. I think it'd be redundant because of the fact it's in several of the programs now. Especially since LTU (stage 7) and OF V2 have it in 5.75.5G format. UMS V2 etc. will as well most likely. So, not sure what the REAL market of that will be for you in reality. People would have to forego the other programs to use it properly, not sure who would do that realistically...

I didn't expect OF v2 to sell, either, except to maybe 6-7 people.  We sold more than 20 copies on the first day, and it has been a good seller since.  So it seems like it may be worthwhile, especially since I can now make the shield stronger than v1 could make it, and bypass types of resistance that occasionally interfere with it, where I could not do that in v1.

Since you don't want to build DMSI now it seems due to the FRM aura issue that is still unsolved sadly, and that would be free anyway, ways to generate income are a bit sparse. I'd love the anti-aging sub, but that needs time as we've said. IYPS needs time it seems too, unfortunately. Grow Taller could be intriguing, not sure your take on that for it being possible now (or not sure of it's widespread appeal compared to below, to be honest). IYPS or GT, DMSI would be amazing, not sure how realistic they are now, that's up to you.

I propose something easy for you to help you ride out this pandemic then, given the options. Helps future execution of all subs as well. How about some kind of regularly-upgraded OF that we'd purchase as we go? I'd go for that, I'm sure others would too. This program deals with the bedrock of our collective issues, you've said, so it's a good investment of time especially now in the pandemic. To be honest, we don't have too many options right now for programs anyway. Especially since even a fully working DMSI would be virtually useless right now...might as well use a foundation-building sub to develop and prepare for the eventual return to normalcy and future execution of subs. Seems like the best option, imo. That could give you regular, somewhat easy income, compared to building out very old outdated programs constantly, especially since many of them have limited use or relevance now during the pandemic. Might as well take advantage of this once in a life time down time, like Phoenix rising from the ashes...

I'm not sure why a regularly upgraded OF would sell.  There's going to be improvements to the skeleton script and an upgrade of FRM to v5.0 eventually, but I'm thinking upgrading OF more than once per year isn't really likely, based on the speed of advancement and the fact that I'm pretty sure v2 is mostly "there" at this point.

Another option is to do a new GPR! It gives you a chance to extend out the skeleton script, and R&D, for physical work. Which could prove useful when the time comes to DO IYPS and Grow Taller. Wouldn't have the broad appeal of OF, but the experience could be valuable.

I had been contemplating doing a new version of GPR.  That is a title that never sells well, but I realized that last I ran the models on it (when I released GPR-P18), they said that GPR-P20 (the next release version) would be a BIG step up from P18, and then I realized that the changes that have gone into the skeleton script and build methods since P18 was release, what, a year and a half ago now, would give us a BIG step up in power and effectiveness.  GPR is on the list for consideration.

My belief is balancing customer base vs. ease of creation as well as widespread usability as well as allowing future widespread execution of subs...it's clear OF is the path forward. Up to you how to proceed, ultimately.

Just some options there for you, Shannon. Try to select something with many interested customers available, and easier to create than ancient scripting to streamline workflow if possible as I've said. That way you hit the ground running with orders to make it worthwhile for both of us. Win-win once again!

I appreciate the suggestions.  One of the things I am going to do is go through all the 3/4/5G titles and look for what can fit the criteria.  I can think of a couple off the top of my head that might be good choices, and I'm sure there are more I have forgotten about.

[Shannon]

From Shannon’s journal:

I will begin focusing more on programs designed for in the moment usage or shorter term usage. Those titles are still being contemplated, but I think we can improve on such things as the sleep aid, awakener, pain relief, etc as one potential path. I will continue to contemplate that.

If you can safely script a badass, ultra-concentrated, in the moment aphrodisiac aimed at married/committed relationships, that would sexually arouse, heighten physical sensitivity, and maximize the emotional response to sex, I'm in. The intent of what I'm describing would be for existing committed relationships between legal adults where consensual sex already exists and where the affected users are willing to accept the personal responsibility for executing the sub. 

I know SDM exists, but I'm describing something hyper-targeted and tuned for in the moment use only and designed for the audience I noted above in an attempt to avoid misuse. I think this would be really enjoyable for us married guys and our wives, while avoiding problems with derailing the primary sub we're running. I realize that there are safety concerns with a sub like this, so maybe this suggestion is still a pipe dream, even with the target audience I mentioned. It's a shame we live in a world where asshats can ruin something that the rest of us would enjoy immensely.

In any case, this is the only thing I can currently think of that I would be interested in using outside of my primary sub. I would imagine that it could could help bring in some nice "in the moment" excitement that some of the more foundational subs might lack.

***ADDENDUM***

As I typed that last paragraph, it occurred to me that maybe in the moment subs geared at maximizing the enjoyment of whatever activity is going on might be something people would be interested in. For instance, when played before going to a concert, festival, dinner, birthday party, or even mowing the grass...every positive aspect of that experience is identified, focused on, and amplified (physically, emotionally, and otherwise) so that the user is immersed in an overwhelmingly positive experience.

The more I think about it, anything that could sprinkle in some fun to help offset the day to day monotony (or pangs, whatever the case may be) that tends to accompany developmental stuff could potentially sell well. After all, no work & no play makes [insert sub user] a dull boy.

The aphrodisiac is something I have been contemplating how to do safely.  The more powerful the programs get, the more they theoretically should work for the limiters, but I haven't run the limiters through testing on the 5.75.2G and later scripts, so I have to do that again.  The subconscious is a tricky thing.  Very hard to understand from the perspective of logic.  I have learned to never assume anything with regards to what it will do, regardless of what it should be doing.

Towards the end of my time on LTUv6 Stage 4, the gratitude programming was making everything, and I do mean everything, an awesome experience.  I could sit down and eat just mashed potatoes for dinner, and have an amazing experience by focusing on the texture, the flavor, and how good I have it to be able to partake of it.  Been contemplating something along the lines of what you suggest in the lower part of your post as a result.  Also good ideas.

I know how to amplify sexual arousal just fine.  I know how to deal with resistance to sexual arousal, and get people to act on it.  I don't know for sure just yet how to perfectly exclude children, or any other group, from executing the script.  As I said I will have to re-do the tests, but the issues I face are basically that certain personality types execute regardless because they don't like being told what to do; some execute regardless because they want to feel included; and some execute regardless, apparently, just because they have been exposed long enough.  It seems that execution is intrinsically tied in some manner to comprehension of the script.

So the limiters work and work well, but they're not 100% yet.  I have made some significant changes since I last ran the tests, and it may now be possible to safely release such a program, but without those limiters, the best I could hope to do would be to increase sexual arousal only.  No shaping it, no directing it, nothing.  That would leave whomever was executing to decide what to do with it, and that would be much safer if children were to execute but must less effective under certain circumstances when used by adults.  I'm working on it.

Maximum enjoyment of whatever you do, though, that sounds promising.  Probably have to be more specific than that, but still that sounds promising.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon, isn't DRS generally SOP now? 

I just think you wouldn't have many sales for it due to that. I think it'd be redundant because of the fact it's in several of the programs now. Especially since LTU (stage 7) and OF V2 have it in 5.75.5G format. UMS V2 etc. will as well most likely. So, not sure what the REAL market of that will be for you in reality. People would have to forego the other programs to use it properly, not sure who would do that realistically...

Hey @CatMan, I believe that my suggestion makes it clear that a new and updated DRS wouldn’t be redundant nor would force users to forego other programs. 
I am running LTU and I assure you that the DRS in LTU isn’t nearly as powerful as the stand-alone version (despite the stand-alone being an older technology), the reason being that the focus is necessarily split with 12 other titles, or so I believe.
As for foregoing other titles, we are talking of an itm boost to use mostly alongside other programs in a moment of need like a difficult conversation or before meeting a very negative person. If you were on the receiving end of the ridiculous shit that his thrown my way you’d know what I mean.
Eventually only Shannon can decide if it’s worth his time, all I know for sure is that I would buy it.

As for other ideas: I’d definitely buy an in-the-moment pain relief if it’s built in such a way as to not derail the main program. Another option could be a calm down/stay centered/don’t spin your wheels, an adaptation of tranquilizer I guess.

One thing I'd like you guys to understand is that just because DRS is not as strong in the early stages of LTU that does not mean it will be true in the later stages also.  Even so, a new version of DRS stand alone seems worth a good look.

[Lowe]

Dear Shannon,

I have been using the new USLM for about 2 months now. So far, I only notice that I have vivid dreams every day, often several times a night. At the beginning I had a few nightmares, but now they are just normal dreams. I also did not have vivid dreams every day in the beginning, now it is every day.

All in all, interesting to notice what the subliminal is doing, but I am not seeing much actual results.

What do you think about resistance in my case? Should I continue as before, or change usage or something like that?

Thanks.

Given the results you see, it seems reasonable to me that you're probably dealing with the FRM working you through some sort of fears that have been slowing things down.  I suggest you keep going for a while longer and see if anything changes.

Now you don't say how you're using it, what format, what player, what volume, etc.  If you get more specific I can be more specific with suggestions.  Unfortunately, I can't remember what everyone's usage patterns are even if you tell me, so if you think that might be a part of the issue, share that with me and I'll see if I can find something further to suggest.

Dear Shannon,

I have been using it according to instructions for the past month. Format: hybrid track on my laptop while I sleep. It's not at a high volume since I need to sleep... but it is loud enough to hear the ocean sound very clearly.

Earlier you suggested taking longer breaks than the one day for every five as prescribed, since I have more dreams during breaks, but I did that a couple of times with no change in results. I switched back to the default instructions and now I have dreams everyday regardless of whether I use USLM that night or not.

I could add that previous subliminal usage (such as previous USLM) also led to vivid dreams but they fade away after a few weeks. For the new USLM it has been like this for 2 months, which I guess is better. But that's all the effects I can see for now.

Lowe

[Shannon]

Dear Shannon,

I have been using the new USLM for about 2 months now. So far, I only notice that I have vivid dreams every day, often several times a night. At the beginning I had a few nightmares, but now they are just normal dreams. I also did not have vivid dreams every day in the beginning, now it is every day.

All in all, interesting to notice what the subliminal is doing, but I am not seeing much actual results.

What do you think about resistance in my case? Should I continue as before, or change usage or something like that?

Thanks.

Given the results you see, it seems reasonable to me that you're probably dealing with the FRM working you through some sort of fears that have been slowing things down.  I suggest you keep going for a while longer and see if anything changes.

Now you don't say how you're using it, what format, what player, what volume, etc.  If you get more specific I can be more specific with suggestions.  Unfortunately, I can't remember what everyone's usage patterns are even if you tell me, so if you think that might be a part of the issue, share that with me and I'll see if I can find something further to suggest.

Dear Shannon,

I have been using it according to instructions for the past month. Format: hybrid track on my laptop while I sleep. It's not at a high volume since I need to sleep... but it is loud enough to hear the ocean sound very clearly.

Earlier you suggested taking longer breaks than the one day for every five as prescribed, since I have more dreams during breaks, but I did that a couple of times with no change in results. I switched back to the default instructions and now I have dreams everyday regardless of whether I use USLM that night or not.

I could add that previous subliminal usage (such as previous USLM) also led to vivid dreams but they fade away after a few weeks. For the new USLM it has been like this for 2 months, which I guess is better. But that's all the effects I can see for now.

Lowe

The only thing I can suggest in that case is to give it more time.

[CatMan]

Forget it. Not worth the aggravation yet again.

Looking forward to the next program, Shannon.

All the best.

[fab10]

Shannon said:

One thing I'd like you guys to understand is that just because DRS is not as strong in the early stages of LTU that does not mean it will be true in the later stages also.  Even so, a new version of DRS stand alone seems worth a good look.

Aha, that is very good news for me, especially if it’s strong in Stage 7, which will be the most frequently used stage eventually. (I am at stage 5 so there’s not many “later” stages left otherwise.)
As the resident “vampire victim”, I’ll make sure to report any change.
Even so, I would definitely buy a new version of DRS stand alone! You are making it sound more and more promising - if v1 almost killed my nemesis, I can only imagine what v2 could do. 

[CatMan]

From someone who has been rooting for you since I first began reading your posts, these subtle "digs" are starting to get annoying. At this point, I'm pretty sure Shannon knows you want to be taller, have a bigger dick, and screw hot women. I doubt that he needs to be continually poked with a stick as a reminder.

He's looking for a program to make now to make money to keep IML alive during this nightmare we're all in.

Nobody is "poking him with a stick". Getting Shannon more money during this fiasco, is hardly "a subtle dig". I've already helped him with OF V2, even he resisted initially, but I kept up with it, we now have an awesome program and he's made some good money. A win-win.

Truthfully, I don't see anybody ELSE here with business experience, that has helped him create a solid income-earner during a worldwide pandemic...

You said you want OF V2 after LTU. So even YOU benefit from my intial posts to get favour for OF V2 going. So this post from you confused me. It's like you want the program my earlier posts sparked, but then criticise me for MAKING said posts. Odd.

Enjoy OF V2 when you run it. 11 days in, it's showing some signs of life. I think you'll like it.