Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5

[KingDavid93]

Hi Shannon,

Is it possible to be on UMS- but at the same time apply the sleep aid and the awakener to properly tune your sleep/wake schedule?

Also it looks like moving into the future you’re going to releasing a lot of useful instant on/off subs that will prove to be quite handy in the moment and I’m wondering if someone is running a powerhouse sub like a UMS or a DMSI or an AM will they be able to partake in the usage of these without significantly ruining their main goals at the time

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon. The new tranquilizer subs sounds great.

What will be the difference between using tranquilizer as an "instant on" along with the recommended loops on ARA at night vs. using the the recommended loops on ARA at night and using ARA as an "instant on" instead of the tranquilizer?

The primary difference between tranquilizer and ARA is what they are designed to aim at.  ARA aims at anxiety.  Tranquilizer aims at anger and frustration; "being upset".  You probably don't need to use them together.

I created Tranquilizer because my emotional state being outside of neutral to good really degrades my ability to work effectively.  Getting upset, frustrated, angry.  That's not anxiety or fear.  It's a different situation entirely.

Tranquilizer isn't about anxiety, although it may have a mild anti-anxiety effect accidentally.

[THolt]

@Shannon

Congrats on the two new subs.

In the near future, are you going to release a sleep aid sub that can be used in conjunction with whatever other sub you are using.
i am considering the anxiety sub because my mind won't shut off at night when i try to sleep.
I want to keep running UMS as I feel like I am battling through some resistance on it.

The sleep aid that corresponds to the 5.75G Awakener is being developed, but it is a much more challenging job than the Awakener was.  It is much safer to wake up than fall asleep.  So I am not only having to find a way to get as many people as possible to actually fall asleep in response to the sleep aid, I have to find ways to make sure it only works while sleeping is a safe activity, and at the same time, overriding that when "safe" is defined incorrectly by PTSD and fear.

In other words, it's almost impossible.

As a result, I am having to be very creative.  I am now working specifically on making the program just work well enough to make its users happy.  Once I have that accomplished, I'll be working on making the program work at the same time it only works when it is safe for it to work.  IF I can accomplish that, then I will release a version of it for public consumption and start working on a different version for PTSD/phobia sufferers.

The key is, this MUST be safe.  If it cannot be made safe, it may never be released.  That is very important, and VERY challenging.

You could try the ARA 1 loop for sleep, but I can't guarantee that ARA will solve your problem.  If it's caused by anxiety, probably will.  If not, may not.

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Oh ok. Thank you. 

The best I have felt sleep wise was when I was running Ultimate Detox and E3 (not at the same time but separately).  UD made me feel really relaxed.

After your rest, what program(s) will you be working on next?

[Shannon]

I will figure that out after my rest.

[ncbeareatingman]

I will figure that out after my rest.  

Exciting times indeed!! Wow! Fear Remover 4.8 dang! a Monster remover of a program  of October's Halloween! Wow!
 da monster Mash!!

[THolt]

I will figure that out after my rest.  

@Shannon
Oh ok. I am excited for USLM 4.2, UMS 2 and the social sub due to the advancements in FRM. I feel like UMS is starting to make some breakthroughs with me. 

I imagine FRM 4.9 will work faster.

[Shannon]

Faster is one of the goals for FRM 4.9. Better is too.

[Rossignol17]

Shannon,

Here is what I previously posted :



(10-11-2019, 06:21 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote:
Thank you Benjamin and THolt for your replies.  I am looking forward to going on USLM4.2 when it is upgraded.  If it works better than version 3, it will be amazing !  I am sooooo tempted to just switch back to USLM3 right now, but I have been running UMS for 3 months and I really want to give it a fair shot, so I will stay on it, even though no financial improvements are happening for me.

(10-11-2019, 07:06 PM)Shannon Wrote:
If you're not getting financial improvements, it's almost certainly an issue with how and how much you're using it.  What are your usage patterns?

(10-11-2019, 11:47 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote:
I started out with 1x1 and 7x0 per the original instructions.  I gradually increased my loops and then decreased my days off, depending on how I was feeling.  After the initial month, I was able to use it more frequently without feeling completely exhausted by it. I am now doing 4x5 and 3x0.  I tried lengthening the bloom period but nothing was happening and I was feeling the need to run loops after 3 or 4 days.  I have been very consistent with my listening schedule and I play the masked format on wired earbuds.  I usually listen right before bed and I have no trouble falling asleep while it is playing.  I can confirm that the program has played and that my earbuds are still in my ears when I wake up, so that has never been an issue.

(10-12-2019, 06:01 AM)Shannon Wrote:
You say you feel the need to run more loops after 3-4 days.  That means the program is executing.  Which means something in you is resisting the program.

Did you allow that same urge to guide you in how many loops per day and how many days off?

Also, are you using ultrasonic with earbuds?  What format are you using?  And what volume?

Rossignol17 Wrote:
Yes, I allowed the same urge to guide me with both number of loops and days off.

I am using the FLAC version, masked trickling stream at a volume of 23 or 24/100. It is a comfortable volume that is pleasant to listen to.......not too loud, not too quiet. I use wired earbuds on a Cowan Plenue player. I cannot use the ultrasonic because it gives me horrible vertigo, even wirh the hybrid version.

I don't understand how I could execute USLM3 so perfectly, and not execute UMS at all. My goals for USLM3 were financial with that sub. I am getting plenty of exposure and it has been 3 months of usage.

Alright.  So if the ultrasonic gives you vertigo, this may be a defense mechanism against the most effective format.  Can you use it laying down with your eyes open or closed and have the feeling be bearable?

If not, I suggest you start trying to carpet bomb every night all night until you start getting more obvious results.

To answer your question, the closer you get to achieving a goal that scares your subconscious, the harder it will fight to prevent that outcome from happening.  The fact that USLM3 executed well, but this does not means this is making you much more likely to (and probably much more directly) achieve one or more goals that terrifies your subconscious.  It means that harder resistance is required to stop your success.  It means the program is more powerful and more successfully targeting the achievement of its goals.  You just have to use it enough to override that response.

I suspect that your vertigo in response to the ultrasonic is aimed to prevent that very thing.  Perhaps you can set up a playlist that uses the ultrasonic, and have it start playing an hour after you go to sleep.

I am not sure I agree with you about the vertigo and perhaps there is a misunderstanding here. I CAN play the hybrid version and listen to continuous loops of it. However, when I awake, and for the rest of the day, I then experience severe vertigo THROUGHOUT the day. When it happens, I have to grab on to something so that I will not fall over. So it is clearly doing something to my ear canals that is affecting my balance all day long. I do not have any physical/medical issues with my ears or with balance.

I actually did use the hybrid version for a short time before I achieved one of my goals on USLM3, so I don't think I am resisting. And I have the SAME goals using UMS now. I only stopped using the hybrid version (while on USLM4) because of the vertigo disrupting my life.

I have been doing 5 loops per night ! That is all night long for me....7 hours worth of listening. I am not sure why it is not working, but I can assure you I have gotten plenty of loops in.....over 3.5 months worth. And I thought you stated that this sub is designed to work while the bloom is occurring......more so on your days off ?

[Shannon]

Shannon,

Here is what I previously posted :



(10-11-2019, 06:21 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote:
Thank you Benjamin and THolt for your replies.  I am looking forward to going on USLM4.2 when it is upgraded.  If it works better than version 3, it will be amazing !  I am sooooo tempted to just switch back to USLM3 right now, but I have been running UMS for 3 months and I really want to give it a fair shot, so I will stay on it, even though no financial improvements are happening for me.

(10-11-2019, 07:06 PM)Shannon Wrote:
If you're not getting financial improvements, it's almost certainly an issue with how and how much you're using it.  What are your usage patterns?

(10-11-2019, 11:47 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote:
I started out with 1x1 and 7x0 per the original instructions.  I gradually increased my loops and then decreased my days off, depending on how I was feeling.  After the initial month, I was able to use it more frequently without feeling completely exhausted by it. I am now doing 4x5 and 3x0.  I tried lengthening the bloom period but nothing was happening and I was feeling the need to run loops after 3 or 4 days.  I have been very consistent with my listening schedule and I play the masked format on wired earbuds.  I usually listen right before bed and I have no trouble falling asleep while it is playing.  I can confirm that the program has played and that my earbuds are still in my ears when I wake up, so that has never been an issue.

(10-12-2019, 06:01 AM)Shannon Wrote:
You say you feel the need to run more loops after 3-4 days.  That means the program is executing.  Which means something in you is resisting the program.

Did you allow that same urge to guide you in how many loops per day and how many days off?

Also, are you using ultrasonic with earbuds?  What format are you using?  And what volume?

Rossignol17 Wrote:
Yes, I allowed the same urge to guide me with both number of loops and days off.

I am using the FLAC version, masked trickling stream at a volume of 23 or 24/100. It is a comfortable volume that is pleasant to listen to.......not too loud, not too quiet. I use wired earbuds on a Cowan Plenue player. I cannot use the ultrasonic because it gives me horrible vertigo, even wirh the hybrid version.

I don't understand how I could execute USLM3 so perfectly, and not execute UMS at all. My goals for USLM3 were financial with that sub. I am getting plenty of exposure and it has been 3 months of usage.

Alright.  So if the ultrasonic gives you vertigo, this may be a defense mechanism against the most effective format.  Can you use it laying down with your eyes open or closed and have the feeling be bearable?

If not, I suggest you start trying to carpet bomb every night all night until you start getting more obvious results.

To answer your question, the closer you get to achieving a goal that scares your subconscious, the harder it will fight to prevent that outcome from happening.  The fact that USLM3 executed well, but this does not means this is making you much more likely to (and probably much more directly) achieve one or more goals that terrifies your subconscious.  It means that harder resistance is required to stop your success.  It means the program is more powerful and more successfully targeting the achievement of its goals.  You just have to use it enough to override that response.

I suspect that your vertigo in response to the ultrasonic is aimed to prevent that very thing.  Perhaps you can set up a playlist that uses the ultrasonic, and have it start playing an hour after you go to sleep.

I am not sure I agree with you about the vertigo and perhaps there is a misunderstanding here.  I CAN play the hybrid version and listen to continuous loops of it.  However, when I awake, and for the rest of the day, I then experience severe vertigo THROUGHOUT the day.  When it happens, I have to grab on to something so that I will not fall over. So it is clearly doing something to my ear canals that is affecting my balance all day long.  I do not have any physical/medical issues with my ears or with balance.

I actually did use the hybrid version for a short time before I achieved one of my goals on USLM3, so I don't think I am resisting.  And I have the SAME goals using UMS now. I only stopped using the hybrid version (while on USLM4) because of the vertigo disrupting my life.

I have been doing 5 loops per night !  That is all night long for me....7 hours worth of listening. I am not sure why it is not working, but I can assure you I have gotten plenty of loops in.....over 3.5 months worth.  And I thought you stated that this sub is designed to work while the bloom is occurring......more so on your days off ?

The ultrasonic giving you vertigo through the day is almost certainly your subconscious trying to tell you it's afraid of what the subliminal is trying to get it to do at the perceived level of urgency that that volume creates.

Have you tried taking a 7 day bloom break and observing what happens?

[josh84]

Hi Shannon, i will try carpet bombing tonight, i will run 4 loops with bone conductor headphones masked, then will use my new samsung 10 plus phone to play ultrasonic on repeat all night and will repeat that daily until see results see if that helps get through anything thats causing myself to resist the program.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon, i will try carpet bombing tonight, i will run 4 loops with bone conductor headphones masked, then will use my new samsung 10 plus phone to play ultrasonic on repeat all night and will repeat that daily until see results see if that helps get through anything thats causing myself to resist the program.

Didn't you get the bone conductors because we had no results from using your ears?  Do you really think carpet bombing through ears that apparently don't hear it is going to help?  Use the bone conducting headphones for carpet bombing.

[josh84]

I cant wear those headphones all day, the headphones hang loosely at the back so i couldnt wear them at night in bed because they wont sit properly unless i lay face down all night.

5 hours of listening through them with nothing else playing, i cant watch tv with headphones since these are on it would pretty much mean couldnt do anything that requires audio all day in that case.

I can give it a try but even sitting in a chair at a desk i cant sit back because the back part of the bone conductor headphones will be pushed forward which causes the headphones part to move forward on my face and then you lose the audio because not close enough to your ears.

I will see what i can do but if carpet bombing means all day listening its not going to work listening to masked through the bone conductor headphones for 12-15 hours as i would have to stay at home the entire time listening.

Especially when its required to do loops continuously.

[Rossignol17]

Shannon,

Here is what I previously posted :



(10-11-2019, 06:21 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote:
Thank you Benjamin and THolt for your replies.  I am looking forward to going on USLM4.2 when it is upgraded.  If it works better than version 3, it will be amazing !  I am sooooo tempted to just switch back to USLM3 right now, but I have been running UMS for 3 months and I really want to give it a fair shot, so I will stay on it, even though no financial improvements are happening for me.

(10-11-2019, 07:06 PM)Shannon Wrote:
If you're not getting financial improvements, it's almost certainly an issue with how and how much you're using it.  What are your usage patterns?

(10-11-2019, 11:47 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote:
I started out with 1x1 and 7x0 per the original instructions.  I gradually increased my loops and then decreased my days off, depending on how I was feeling.  After the initial month, I was able to use it more frequently without feeling completely exhausted by it. I am now doing 4x5 and 3x0.  I tried lengthening the bloom period but nothing was happening and I was feeling the need to run loops after 3 or 4 days.  I have been very consistent with my listening schedule and I play the masked format on wired earbuds.  I usually listen right before bed and I have no trouble falling asleep while it is playing.  I can confirm that the program has played and that my earbuds are still in my ears when I wake up, so that has never been an issue.

(10-12-2019, 06:01 AM)Shannon Wrote:
You say you feel the need to run more loops after 3-4 days.  That means the program is executing.  Which means something in you is resisting the program.

Did you allow that same urge to guide you in how many loops per day and how many days off?

Also, are you using ultrasonic with earbuds?  What format are you using?  And what volume?

Rossignol17 Wrote:
Yes, I allowed the same urge to guide me with both number of loops and days off.

I am using the FLAC version, masked trickling stream at a volume of 23 or 24/100. It is a comfortable volume that is pleasant to listen to.......not too loud, not too quiet. I use wired earbuds on a Cowan Plenue player. I cannot use the ultrasonic because it gives me horrible vertigo, even wirh the hybrid version.

I don't understand how I could execute USLM3 so perfectly, and not execute UMS at all. My goals for USLM3 were financial with that sub. I am getting plenty of exposure and it has been 3 months of usage.

Alright.  So if the ultrasonic gives you vertigo, this may be a defense mechanism against the most effective format.  Can you use it laying down with your eyes open or closed and have the feeling be bearable?

If not, I suggest you start trying to carpet bomb every night all night until you start getting more obvious results.

To answer your question, the closer you get to achieving a goal that scares your subconscious, the harder it will fight to prevent that outcome from happening.  The fact that USLM3 executed well, but this does not means this is making you much more likely to (and probably much more directly) achieve one or more goals that terrifies your subconscious.  It means that harder resistance is required to stop your success.  It means the program is more powerful and more successfully targeting the achievement of its goals.  You just have to use it enough to override that response.

I suspect that your vertigo in response to the ultrasonic is aimed to prevent that very thing.  Perhaps you can set up a playlist that uses the ultrasonic, and have it start playing an hour after you go to sleep.

I am not sure I agree with you about the vertigo and perhaps there is a misunderstanding here.  I CAN play the hybrid version and listen to continuous loops of it.  However, when I awake, and for the rest of the day, I then experience severe vertigo THROUGHOUT the day.  When it happens, I have to grab on to something so that I will not fall over. So it is clearly doing something to my ear canals that is affecting my balance all day long.  I do not have any physical/medical issues with my ears or with balance.

I actually did use the hybrid version for a short time before I achieved one of my goals on USLM3, so I don't think I am resisting.  And I have the SAME goals using UMS now. I only stopped using the hybrid version (while on USLM4) because of the vertigo disrupting my life.

I have been doing 5 loops per night !  That is all night long for me....7 hours worth of listening. I am not sure why it is not working, but I can assure you I have gotten plenty of loops in.....over 3.5 months worth.  And I thought you stated that this sub is designed to work while the bloom is occurring......more so on your days off ?

The ultrasonic giving you vertigo through the day is almost certainly your subconscious trying to tell you it's afraid of what the subliminal is trying to get it to do at the perceived level of urgency that that volume creates.

Have you tried taking a 7 day bloom break and observing what happens?

I did take a few 7 day breaks at the beginning of my UMS usage. I did not experience anything that could even remotely be associated with bloom.

I am considering buying an external speaker for my digital player, so I can try the ultrasonic and/or hybrid versions while sleeping without using earbuds. From what I have read online on quite a few sites, earbuds CAN cause positional vertigo, which is what I experience. I even get it while using the masked version, but not nearly as bad as when I was using the hybrid version. I do not believe it is resistance. If it was resistance then I would not have manifested my very first goal while using USLM3, which I played on the hybrid version for about 2 weeks before attaining it.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good external speaker for a digital player ? Does it have to have 2 separate speakers (one for each ear) or can I use 1 stereo speaker ? I would prefer something that is smaller and more portable so I can use it when I travel.

[Shannon]

[snip]

I did take a few 7 day breaks at the beginning of my UMS usage.  I did not experience anything that could even remotely be associated with bloom.

I am considering buying an external speaker for my digital player, so I can try the ultrasonic and/or hybrid versions while sleeping without using earbuds.  From what I have read online on quite a few sites, earbuds CAN cause positional vertigo, which is what I experience.  I even get it while using the masked version, but not nearly as bad as when I was using the hybrid version.  I do not believe it is resistance.  If it was resistance then I would not have manifested my very first goal while using USLM3, which I played on the hybrid version for about 2 weeks before attaining it.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good external speaker for a digital player ?  Does it have to have 2 separate speakers (one for each ear) or can I use 1 stereo speaker ?  I would prefer something that is smaller and more portable so I can use it when I travel.

Well if there is a good explanation other than resistance, I'll take it!