Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Shannon]

Just read the product page for LTU. damn sam!! This program is worth every penny! understatement. the first 4 listings those combine and if it were just those 4 would be worth it Man!! This program is gonna sell like hot cakes,in a few short months!! Let the word git out,you watch!! all of it combined,man,though I have several other titles I need and very much do want to use,this is one that is sooo attractive to me.
Im in America,and here,some folkd spend 600$ a week on dining out combined with Live theater,NYC,L.A. Chicago,ect...600 bucks man,are you kidding me. this is steal !! it was a helluva deal for me and a few other who got B.A.M.M. 2.0 when it came out initially fer 1,200$ ( just for a few days!) then it jumped to ,3000$,such a deal, I wouldnt call it a steal at all,but it certainly was a major boon to get it for less than half da price. its a whole new world Gents,this stuff is life changing and I believe in the case of LTU,its gonna change some serious shit ,in weeks for some users.
IM sooo looking forward to Ultra Monetary Success,yet theres sooo much in LTU that I need and want to heal & work on. this is what I call " beautiful happy trouble!",so many beautiful,happy choices to come forth from IML. Shannon M. YOU Rock!!

Interesting how we have such polar reactions to the price. We are seeing, "What? You're crazy! Nobody would pay that!" and "That's perfectly reasonable. I'll buy a copy." and "Holy cow, that's a very low price for that level of value!"

I guess it's all about point of view.

It might be very fairly priced, or even cheap, for all I know. I'm just sad that 6G will probably be out of my reach.

You base this on the assumption that you are unable to do what it takes to get what you want, which is limiting and faulty thinking. Last I checked, saving up to get what you want was not that hard to do. It just requires patience and sufficient desire. So 6G won't be out of your reach, but it may be outside your level of patience, desire, perceived value or the set of limiting beliefs you hold.

I have to save up to buy the things I want. I don't have the money this month to buy a new set of tires? I don't say they're out of my reach. I put aside what I can this month, and I repeat until I have what I need for those new tires.

[Shannon]

It is obvious that some will find the price huge and others a bargain.

Ask someone living in a country that gets a $400 monthly wage, someone that gets $3k monthly wage and someone who pays a performance coach for $200 a session and you will get three different stories about how good or bad the LTU price is.

Even if you go further some people value self-development more and some others not. I paid $500 for AM, run it twice already and did a hundred changes in my appearance, lifestyle and character in general. If I was to do this with coaching I would definitely need a team of different people to coach me, a lot of energy and focus and would still not have the natural smooth changes I experienced. Now if someone would take all these back and make me pay again I would pay at least $5k to get them back.

It is also obvious as terry44 mentioned that an ideal price (which I am not sure how it can be properly determined) will make more profit to Shannon. Yet again Shannon might have other things in mind. For example keeping a specific price and delivering results-value to customers might attract the right audience that can pay.

Yeah, I suppose that would mean that subs have gone from something anyone with an open mind and a modest income could afford to try, to something only those with a much larger amount of spare cash can afford.

First, there are no shortage of subs out there that are ranging from 99c a copy and up, so "subs" haven't gone from something anyone with an open mind and a modest income could afford to try, to something only those with a much larger amount of spare cash can afford".

Second, as I pointed out already, if you want something expensive, you either pay for it in installments, or you save up for it. The difference being that in one case you can use it before you have it paid off, and in the other you have to pay it off first. We don't have the capacity to offer a payment plan right now. That's just the way it works for reasons outside of my control at the moment. So you will have to save up if you want it badly enough. If you'd rather not have it, there are alternative options at lower price points.

[terry44]

Just read the product page for LTU. damn sam!! This program is worth every penny! understatement. the first 4 listings those combine and if it were just those 4 would be worth it Man!! This program is gonna sell like hot cakes,in a few short months!! Let the word git out,you watch!! all of it combined,man,though I have several other titles I need and very much do want to use,this is one that is sooo attractive to me.
Im in America,and here,some folkd spend 600$ a week on dining out combined with Live theater,NYC,L.A. Chicago,ect...600 bucks man,are you kidding me. this is steal !! it was a helluva deal for me and a few other who got B.A.M.M. 2.0 when it came out initially fer 1,200$ ( just for a few days!) then it jumped to ,3000$,such a deal, I wouldnt call it a steal at all,but it certainly was a major boon to get it for less than half da price. its a whole new world Gents,this stuff is life changing and I believe in the case of LTU,its gonna change some serious shit ,in weeks for some users.
IM sooo looking forward to Ultra Monetary Success,yet theres sooo much in LTU that I need and want to heal & work on. this is what I call " beautiful happy trouble!",so many beautiful,happy choices to come forth from IML. Shannon M. YOU Rock!!

Interesting how we have such polar reactions to the price. We are seeing, "What? You're crazy! Nobody would pay that!" and "That's perfectly reasonable. I'll buy a copy." and "Holy cow, that's a very low price for that level of value!"

I guess it's all about point of view.

It might be very fairly priced, or even cheap, for all I know. I'm just sad that 6G will probably be out of my reach.

You base this on the assumption that you are unable to do what it takes to get what you want, which is limiting and faulty thinking. Last I checked, saving up to get what you want was not that hard to do. It just requires patience and sufficient desire. So 6G won't be out of your reach, but it may be outside your level of patience, desire, perceived value or the set of limiting beliefs you hold.

I have to save up to buy the things I want. I don't have the money this month to buy a new set of tires? I don't say they're out of my reach. I put aside what I can this month, and I repeat until I have what I need for those new tires.

I have some quite difficult responsibilities which limit how much I can work, causing my income to drop at the same time that my living costs have risen, so saving is being limited more by outside forces than limited thinking. I'm trying to stay positive and maybe I'll have a go at earning from alternative online income streams, but the responsibilities are crowding out my mind right now.

[Shannon]

It is obvious that some will find the price huge and others a bargain.

Ask someone living in a country that gets a $400 monthly wage, someone that gets $3k monthly wage and someone who pays a performance coach for $200 a session and you will get three different stories about how good or bad the LTU price is.

Even if you go further some people value self-development more and some others not. I paid $500 for AM, run it twice already and did a hundred changes in my appearance, lifestyle and character in general. If I was to do this with coaching I would definitely need a team of different people to coach me, a lot of energy and focus and would still not have the natural smooth changes I experienced. Now if someone would take all these back and make me pay again I would pay at least $5k to get them back.

It is also obvious as terry44 mentioned that an ideal price (which I am not sure how it can be properly determined) will make more profit to Shannon. Yet again Shannon might have other things in mind. For example keeping a specific price and delivering results-value to customers might attract the right audience that can pay.

Yeah, I suppose that would mean that subs have gone from something anyone with an open mind and a modest income could afford to try, to something only those with a much larger amount of spare cash can afford.

From Shannon’s earlier post, it sounds like he plans to offer 4G and 5G products at lower price points and keep 6G higher priced as a way to offer different sub levels for a wide variety of consumers. Somewhat similar to the way a new smartphone comes out each year and the last year’s gets cheaper.

It’s a smart approach imo but the big issue I see is the limit of 4G and 5G subs. From what I’ve seen, it could be that a 4G and a 6G version of the same sub exists and someone would be more than willing to pay the price for the 6G but they never tried subs so they try the 4G one out but they “resist” the entire sub and decide they just don’t work. Whereas if they had used the 6G one they’d get the results and stay a long time customer.

I think it’d be great though if at some point 4G and 5G received some kind of “anti resisting” upgrade so that doesn’t happen. Or maybe something where you take an online quiz that tells you the minimum sub generation you should use. Just something that crossed my mind.

We are eventually going to be phasing out 4G and 5G and possibly even 5.5G subs over time, to keep our product offerings and quality consistent across the entire product line. Partly because lower levels of tech will not represent the higher levels and people will assume that they do.

My programs are and almost always have been a top end level of option in the field, a luxury product. In order for me to use this to fund my real goals, I can't be selling them at the prices other charge. So I have worked for ~26 years now to develop the tech and the product into something worth paying these prices and more for. As a result, people can, will and do pay what I ask for them, even when they run hundreds and thousands of dollars.

If you look at any market where there are different price and quality levels, you're always going to see that there is a low end market, a mid level market and a high end market. The high end market is the luxury brands, and they are typically the best you can get and the most expensive of whatever they are. We are really the first and probably only luxury subliminal brand in the market.

The highest end products have the best quality, cost the most to make and are the most valuable. They have a corresponding price tag. There are other options available, and there will be even after we have removed everything but 6G or maybe 5.5 and 6G. You will be certain to see others trying to grab our market share by offering the closes thing they can come up with for a significantly lower price, and in fact that's already started happening within the last couple years at least. Those alternative offerings by different producers have various levels of value, but they are there.

If you want a Rolls Royce, you can either save up, make yourself able to afford one, or maybe get one used or rent one. Otherwise, you don't have it, because quite simply it has that level of value and requires that level of value to remain constant to support the production of such a car and the continued existence of the company making it.

If you want a genuine Clive Christian fragrance, or a genuine Creed or an genuine Amouage, it is much the same story.

If you want a genuine Coach purse, or a genuine Tory Burch or a genuine Kate Spade, same deal. You pay what they ask, or you get it used, or you save up or get a less expensive competitor.

I happen to think Creed's prices are insane, but that's not because they don't have very good fragrances; rather, it's because I have the means to eventually be able to make it myself, at least as good, and for a fraction of the price. The time and effort that go into me educating myself sufficiently to do so, and the aroma chemistry and components and labware required to do it are still a cost; and in the end, unless I want to make a huge batch, it will actually be cheaper for me in the long run to buy from Creed. One way or the other, if I want that level of quality (in those cases where I think the fragrance is high quality; I don't think well of all of what Creed has to offer), I will have to pay for it.

I can't make high end stuff and then charge low or mid range prices and stay in business, it takes too long to make each one. It also devalues the time, energy, skill and expertise required to make one, and it kills my ability to make enough money to achieve my real goals, funding of which will require literally hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Shannon]

ASC 6G will be offered for free, so that "resistor" type would have an opportunity to experience the power of a 6G sub without risk.

And there will still be UMS 5.5G - I think we'll see quite a few people makin' some moula. Dude who won the Pick 5 Lotto using USLM3 certainly has enough cash to buy whatever subs he wants to run in the future, lol. Obviously, that result comes w/ a tag "results not typical," but who knows...maybe one day, they will be (typical).

USLM3 hasn't really helped my luck much. It has been great for fear removal and being more confident and positive. I'm still hoping it will deliver some money luck eventually though.

Terry, USLM3 is a set of instructions. You execute, or you don't. It's not that USLM3 hasn't helped your luck much, it's that you subconsciously don't choose to execute the script enough to recreate the effects that your definition of luck would have.

That just tells me you're not done removing the issues that prevent you from executing fully. If it's doing well removing fears and helping you be more confident and positive, then the rest should be coming along too.

[Shannon]

Just read the product page for LTU. damn sam!! This program is worth every penny! understatement. the first 4 listings those combine and if it were just those 4 would be worth it Man!! This program is gonna sell like hot cakes,in a few short months!! Let the word git out,you watch!! all of it combined,man,though I have several other titles I need and very much do want to use,this is one that is sooo attractive to me.
Im in America,and here,some folkd spend 600$ a week on dining out combined with Live theater,NYC,L.A. Chicago,ect...600 bucks man,are you kidding me. this is steal !! it was a helluva deal for me and a few other who got B.A.M.M. 2.0 when it came out initially fer 1,200$ ( just for a few days!) then it jumped to ,3000$,such a deal, I wouldnt call it a steal at all,but it certainly was a major boon to get it for less than half da price. its a whole new world Gents,this stuff is life changing and I believe in the case of LTU,its gonna change some serious shit ,in weeks for some users.
IM sooo looking forward to Ultra Monetary Success,yet theres sooo much in LTU that I need and want to heal & work on. this is what I call " beautiful happy trouble!",so many beautiful,happy choices to come forth from IML. Shannon M. YOU Rock!!

Interesting how we have such polar reactions to the price. We are seeing, "What? You're crazy! Nobody would pay that!" and "That's perfectly reasonable. I'll buy a copy." and "Holy cow, that's a very low price for that level of value!"

I guess it's all about point of view.

It might be very fairly priced, or even cheap, for all I know. I'm just sad that 6G will probably be out of my reach.

You base this on the assumption that you are unable to do what it takes to get what you want, which is limiting and faulty thinking. Last I checked, saving up to get what you want was not that hard to do. It just requires patience and sufficient desire. So 6G won't be out of your reach, but it may be outside your level of patience, desire, perceived value or the set of limiting beliefs you hold.

I have to save up to buy the things I want. I don't have the money this month to buy a new set of tires? I don't say they're out of my reach. I put aside what I can this month, and I repeat until I have what I need for those new tires.

I have some quite difficult responsibilities which limit how much I can work, causing my income to drop at the same time that my living costs have risen, so saving is being limited more by outside forces than limited thinking. I'm trying to stay positive and maybe I'll have a go at earning from alternative online income streams, but the responsibilities are crowding out my mind right now.

You really don't want LTU 4.0 then. You want USLM3, or 4 or UMS.

I take it you are using it according to the instructions. Have you ever had the urge to use it more than that?

[terry44]

ASC 6G will be offered for free, so that "resistor" type would have an opportunity to experience the power of a 6G sub without risk.

And there will still be UMS 5.5G - I think we'll see quite a few people makin' some moula. Dude who won the Pick 5 Lotto using USLM3 certainly has enough cash to buy whatever subs he wants to run in the future, lol. Obviously, that result comes w/ a tag "results not typical," but who knows...maybe one day, they will be (typical).

USLM3 hasn't really helped my luck much. It has been great for fear removal and being more confident and positive. I'm still hoping it will deliver some money luck eventually though.

Terry, USLM3 is a set of instructions. You execute, or you don't. It's not that USLM3 hasn't helped your luck much, it's that you subconsciously don't choose to execute the script enough to recreate the effects that your definition of luck would have.

That just tells me you're not done removing the issues that prevent you from executing fully. If it's doing well removing fears and helping you be more confident and positive, then the rest should be coming along too.

Yeah, I wasn't really blaming the sub. I suspected I still had issues, because I'm having so many weird dreams/nightmares. Hopefully I'll have a breakthrough soon.

[ncbeareatingman]

Just watched this video... on "Fear"..."Living Life Without Fear | Neale Donald Walsch" on youtube. cant put the link here,as the video mentions the "G" word and I dont want break the rule of Rule #4. its easy to find on YT,though. I Post this here because Im so impressed with FRM 3.0 and I know I will be even more so, with FRM 4.5. A Lot of people can talk about fear/fear removal/give speeches and this one on the video is so darn good,honestly,but they cant actually remove the stuff like fear remover does and almost no where else do I know of that can do so,so deeply and on a regular like FRM. does.

I've done workshops that cost Lots Moola to do so..and the ether's get so up there ,so inspired,uplifted,then 4 days later back to regular like and the fear based stuff is 'up & active again"
I loved listening to this video and the insight it gave me,I shall watch again,all the while running USLM3 with FRM 3.0 in it!:-) awesome combo.
if FRM 4.5 is worth sooo much more than whats asked for...all the while contained in a goal oriented script like USLM3-4,UMS,UMOP,ect...LTU! dang!! what a deal. OK I've made my points ,I;'ll give it a rest.

[mat422]

Just wanted to lend my perspective on this whole pricing thing. Since I've been using these subs for a while I've been through all types of resistance. Moments where I thought I was going to breakthrough and then basically get a slap in the face. I've seen the effectiveness of these subs grow over the years. Similar to tuning into a fuzzy radio station, the goals are coming in much clearer. I remember when I first bought AM 2011, can't remember how much it was but I wasn't exactly in a financially stable place. At the time it was a lot of money to drop on something that I wasn't even sure of the outcome for. And I think that might be where some of the hesitation comes at with the new pricing model. Because even after I ran AM I had another run with the next version, then the next, but I really struggled with stuff. I'm a unique case though, not so sure my results are typical.

My point is, the 600 price is perfectly reasonable for the amount of work and research that goes into it. But if someone has had trouble in the past executing there's that "will I actually execute this or just end up resisting again the whole time"? The main thing I see is that for some people execution isn't as straightforward as ideal. I'd think that once Shannon moves past that hump there will be more of a "guarantee". Similar to if you bought a 600 dollar TV, you know exactly what you're getting and you're not going to end up using it the wrong way(well some people might). My 2 cents.

[DarkPlouf]

I bought LTU 4.0 as a gift for my Uncle. He is old school, I had to put it on a compact disc just so he could use it.

TBH, initially, I was shocked by the introductory price of $600. After reading the description, the price is justified!!

Patiently waiting for UMS...

As far as I remember it isn't the first time you buy subs for your relatives. How do you actually make them use the subs? I've been wanting to expose my dad to a copy MHS I bough centuries ago but I don't know how to approach it. I can't explain these stuff to them, they'll get defensive and suspicious, and probably trigger the ugliest form of "resistance" even if they agree to test.
Right now I'm very close to my sister and I wonder if it's right to expose her to the ultrasonic sub without her consent. Even though I think that could help her.

[4Kingdoms]

I bought LTU 4.0 as a gift for my Uncle. He is old school, I had to put it on a compact disc just so he could use it.

TBH, initially, I was shocked by the introductory price of $600. After reading the description, the price is justified!!

Patiently waiting for UMS...

As far as I remember it isn't the first time you buy subs for your relatives. How do you actually make them use the subs? I've been wanting to expose my dad to a copy MHS I bough centuries ago but I don't know how to approach it. I can't explain these stuff to them, they'll get defensive and suspicious, and probably trigger the ugliest form of "resistance" even if they agree to test.
Right now I'm very close to my sister and I wonder if it's right to expose her to the ultrasonic sub without her consent. Even thou I think that could help her.

I'm 53 y/o and I take care of my Mom 75 y/o, blind. We live together. When it's a program like USLM3, I play it on speakers and she hears it. When I was using DMSI, I used earphones.

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With my Uncle, I had to make a compact disc because he still uses a cd player. I cut and pasted the product description, only picking what I knew he would be interested in.

Ultra Success Luck Maximizer, Disconnect From Negative Stress, Genuine Gratitude & Appreciation (Which tends to result in attracting more good things into your life.), and Anger Management.

While he was genuinely happy to receive the cd and product description. Whether or not he actually plays it and follows instructions is on him. Fortunately, we gather as a family once a week for cookouts and I'll be able to observe changes in his behavior up close and from a distance.

[ianmarconi]

I bought LTU 4.0 as a gift for my Uncle. He is old school, I had to put it on a compact disc just so he could use it.

TBH, initially, I was shocked by the introductory price of $600. After reading the description, the price is justified!!

Patiently waiting for UMS...

As far as I remember it isn't the first time you buy subs for your relatives. How do you actually make them use the subs? I've been wanting to expose my dad to a copy MHS I bough centuries ago but I don't know how to approach it. I can't explain these stuff to them, they'll get defensive and suspicious, and probably trigger the ugliest form of "resistance" even if they agree to test.
Right now I'm very close to my sister and I wonder if it's right to expose her to the ultrasonic sub without her consent. Even thou I think that could help her.

I'm 53 y/o and I take care of my Mom 75 y/o, blind. We live together. When it's a program like USLM3, I play it on speakers and she hears it. When I was using DMSI, I used earphones.

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With my Uncle, I had to make a compact disc because he still uses a cd player. I cut and pasted the product description, only picking what I knew he would be interested in.

Ultra Success Luck Maximizer, Disconnect From Negative Stress, Genuine Gratitude & Appreciation (Which tends to result in attracting more good things into your life.), and Anger Management.

While he was genuinely happy to receive the cd and product description. Whether or not he actually plays it and follows instructions is on him. Fortunately, we gather as a family once a week for cookouts and I'll be able to observe changes in his behavior up close and from a distance.

Does it work with your mother?
I would love to play for my family but we live in Brazil and they don't speak english =/ such a shame
Maybe one day i will make a type of 1G sub in portugues for my family with simple instructions like "i love myself". I have a grandmother who is 73 in the verge of dementia and awful limiting beliefs, i am sure she would greatly benefit from any kind of improvement.

[4Kingdoms]

I bought LTU 4.0 as a gift for my Uncle. He is old school, I had to put it on a compact disc just so he could use it.

TBH, initially, I was shocked by the introductory price of $600. After reading the description, the price is justified!!

Patiently waiting for UMS...

As far as I remember it isn't the first time you buy subs for your relatives. How do you actually make them use the subs? I've been wanting to expose my dad to a copy MHS I bough centuries ago but I don't know how to approach it. I can't explain these stuff to them, they'll get defensive and suspicious, and probably trigger the ugliest form of "resistance" even if they agree to test.
Right now I'm very close to my sister and I wonder if it's right to expose her to the ultrasonic sub without her consent. Even thou I think that could help her.

I'm 53 y/o and I take care of my Mom 75 y/o, blind. We live together. When it's a program like USLM3, I play it on speakers and she hears it. When I was using DMSI, I used earphones.

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With my Uncle, I had to make a compact disc because he still uses a cd player. I cut and pasted the product description, only picking what I knew he would be interested in.

Ultra Success Luck Maximizer, Disconnect From Negative Stress, Genuine Gratitude & Appreciation (Which tends to result in attracting more good things into your life.), and Anger Management.

While he was genuinely happy to receive the cd and product description. Whether or not he actually plays it and follows instructions is on him. Fortunately, we gather as a family once a week for cookouts and I'll be able to observe changes in his behavior up close and from a distance.

Does it work with your mother?
I would love to play for my family but we live in Brazil and they don't speak english =/ such a shame
Maybe one day i will make a type of 1G sub in portugues for my family with simple instructions like "i love myself". I have a grandmother who is 73 in the verge of dementia and awful limiting beliefs, i am sure she would greatly benefit from any kind of improvement.

When I first played USLM3, I put the volume very low. Because she is blind, her hearing is enhanced. A few days later... she said, "I feel like I'm going crazy." She was describing the effects of FRM 3.2. After I explain why she felt that way, she was okay from that point forward.

Did it work for her? Yes!!

[Hanpan]

Went through the first night of LTU.

Didn't sleep that well and I have a slight headache. However, I was out (no drinking) and got to bed 5 hours later than usual, so that might be the reason.

What's more important is that I feel really really good. I am starting LTU from a very good place, but I feel extra relaxed and happy today this far. I have a kind of childish bubbly feeling, which is a bit difficult to describe but very cool. Just did some work and my mind seems super sharp.

I know that this is only the first day, but so far so very good.

Will you be starting a LTU journal Hanpan? I'd love to follow your progress on it

Thank you - I might start a journal

I have some reservations about starting a journal:

1) Just started a new job which takes up a shitload of time and energy. However, I would be interesting to see how LTU (hopefully) helps me in a demanding job.

2) As far as I understand, the admins really don't think that the journals are reliable if you do anything else that might alter your state of mind. I have an awesome meditation practice that I've been building over many years and that I will continue. Personally, I believe that something like that will fit beautifully with many of the goals of LTU, but I don't know. Furthermore, I really prioritize my diet, exercise habits and sleep to optimize my brain function and chemistry, so it might be difficult to tell which results come from LTU or from having a good overall lifestyle/making poor lifestyle decisions.

I think I'll make some posts here, and see what times allow me to do and if it brings any value to people.

HanPan, what I don't find value in is when people use DMSI specifically (which is free upgrades until I get it right in exchange for feedback) and then do things that will destroy my ability to tell whether or not a particular change came from DMSI or some other thing (some other form of mind programming or "therapy". Altering your state of mind isn't an issue. You would be giving me valid feedback.

One short comment to the money thing and then a question

If money is an issue I would suggest buying US/LM and go through that first. I did that sub in the fall with 3 pretty big goals in different areas of my life (one of them job/financial) and US/LM worked very well. I would imagine that it would work even better if you one had 1 goal (in this case a financial goal).

Now for the question - I just re-read the product page. Shannon (or others) can you give me some indications on how to meassure my progress on this sub? When I did US/LM it was easy since I had 3 goals where 2 of them were almost 100 % messuareble. I think it's a bit more difficult with this sub since it's 12 subs in one and there is no point in meassuring 30-50 different things. Around Christmas, I decided that I would really focus on my degree of presence in everyday life and especially in difficult situations and my level of gratitude. I think that these "goals" go pretty well with LTU.

My initial idea is to set 3 very measureble goals in the "outside world" similar to US/LM and furthermore meassure:

My overall happiness and peace of mind

The way I relate to myself and my inner world

The way I relate to people around me

My level of gratitude

These goals are awesome and important, but they're just a bit difficult to meassure, especially since I'm already trying to optimize this with my lifestyle in general.

So all inputs on ways to meassure my progress on LTU are much appreciated ?