Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Shannon]

Shannon does the new UM/OP deal with social life in any way?If not what sub would you recommend?Sorry if you answered this question already.

It deals with whatever your conscious goals are. As for recommending something else, I don't know what you want to accomplish.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Hey buddy, so my brother lives with us at home here in the UK. Hes today confided in me of just how badly hes lost motivation and cant seem to turn it on for his work and career which is stalling.

I wanted to know if its okay to allow him to use the UM/OP sub (downloaded to his phone) that I bought even though I want to start it for myself too in 35days time and continue when I get back to Europe?

thanks alot man!

That has been answered already by others on the forum. Just get another copy. He's not going to want to "give it back".

[Broski]

Hey Shannon,

Does US/LM cover success in all facets of life? For example is it aimed at success in terms of both external success(relationships, finances, career, achieving different goals ect) and inner success(viewing oneself as a success and successful, having a positive relationship with oneself, being grateful and joyful ect)

Thanks!

US/LM focuses on whatever you are doing, focusing on, desiring.

What if you consciously desire certain things, but your focus is generally fearful/negative which makes it hard to accomplish/get them? Will it help overcome this?

[Shannon]

Yes, it's strange, because I don't even wanted to run it at begin. But I don't know what else can cause it.

Regarding masturbating, they should be more willing to have sex with the user, maybe every time they masturbating realize more and more that only sex with the user can bring the relief she needs from sex.

Wouldn't that be taking away her free will? And remember, this program may be primarily in use by men to attract women right now, but what happens when it works and the news media picks it up? It's going to be in use by a lot of women, too.

Part of the reason I designed it for all genders is so that no one gender would go too far with it. What you can do to them, they can also do to you. Remember that.

Hm, I don't know if it is already taking away her free will, but maybe you can can make a variation. Like making her think how much better it would be now having sex with the user. Maybe you have a better idea. But if you think it goes too far then I understand if you just leave the part as it is.

I will also write something about the aura I noticed when I am home again from my business training.

I've got a lot of work to do on 3.3, and a lot more than I can remember. But I'm working on it.

Now, here is the addition to what I alread wrote:

Now as I am back I wanted to add some things I noticed in regard to my experience this week. First at all I started thinking that the experience I had was maybe some blend of DMSI 3.3 TID, USLM TID and the existing DMSI programming. I think that because getting better in that area and attracting more girls and sex is definitely a big desire for me, but I also think it used partially the existing programming and it may have also enhanced TID from 3.3. But now back to the things I noticed or wanted to mention:

- The aura was really strong and there was an almost insane amount of energy, which was exhausting in long term. In fact I sometimes started to shaking, but not sure if through energy overload, or exhaustion (it happend the last days) or maybe fear to execute completely and get her. I tried to increase the distance between myself and her to get a relief from the exhaustment, which worked to some degree, probably because the was no live-sourcing of the energy and the aura wasn't probably that big of size

There is always love live-sourcing of the energy. You may be expending more than you are sourcing from currently available sources, but there are multiple streams of concurrent live sourcing being used at all times. If it worked "to some degree" then she was probably being hit by the SRS at the same time as the Standard Sniper. You'll need to move more than 200' (something like 62 or 66 meters, IIRC) from her if that's the case.

- It looks like the energy came from my heart center, if you know what I mean

- It also looks like people perceive me at least to some degree as creepy when I was highly sexual charged, so the nofap and similar modules wouldn't help here just make it worse. I know it will still go inside, but wanted to mention anyway

Then perceiving you as creepy just means you don't yet know how to deal with having that level of sexual energy.

- The (most) affected woman gave me many crotch displays while wearing a skirt and when wearing a jeans sitting there with wide spread legs. It was always in my direction, no matter where I sat. And when I sat alone in that direction I got a really long view on her panties. The thing is I went over and started talking to her but couldn't turn the conversation into more flirty and sexual. And every time I started to initiate some "accidentaly" touches she gained a bit more distance between us. I have to mention that it was a difficult situation, because it was a business settting, even if that was in our free time. I don't know about the getting more distance, but in regard to conversation we really need some conversation skills. And I am just talking here about basic skills, which I still seem to lack, like turning a conversation into more sexual or flirty. It doesn't to be at master level, but as long DMSI doesn't make her come over, saying "let's go in my room and you **** me now", we definitely need these basic skills.

This is a situation where she is MARRIED, so you probably shouldn't be pursuing in the first place. But otherwise, this is a display that her subconscious is on board, while her conscious is not yet.

- She definitely was strongly affected, I often got a look from her saying "What's going on here?", sometimes she even looked that desperate that I felt sorry for her, like she really wanted me badly and couldn't help herself. I have to mention here that I found out that she was married, which probably made it more difficult for her

I'm sure.

- The days with the strongest affection when close to me she started to avoiding me and put as much distance between myself and her as possible. Knowing the fact that she was married it is understandable. The last day it changed a bit and the affection wasn't that crazy strong but still very noticeable. Maybe it was also because my energy was depleted as well. However, then she was closer to me again, at least here and there. I was thinking about the energy depletion and I somehow wonder if the energy sourcing from food might be to aggressive and doesn't leave enough for the body. I mean, I know there are safety limiters but maybe we can add some extra buffer of energy which would be available for the other body functions, maybe it would also decreas brain fog some experience. It is like the difference between minimum requirement for hardware for a video game (safety limiter) and optimum hardware requirements (safety limiter + energy buffer). And for those who are afraid taking energy away from the aura, the aura seems to be more than strong enough. In fact it seems that women are already intimidated by the amount of energy, so also here we need to get smarter and not necessarily stronger. That's why I don't think creating an extra buffer would hurt. This might be especially important for people who have rather little energy like me. I am more the type of sprinter than a runner and my energy gets depleted fast. And being skinny I also don't have (physical) energy reserves.

Having enough energy is partly the issue. Energy sourcing is a sticking point still. I still don't know how to do that yet while ensuring the safety of the user. But the reason I'll be working heavily on optimizing the aura in 3.3 is that indeed, it does need to be adjusted.

- Another thing is that I think the aura creates fear of loosing control in women, don't know what we can do about it or if we need to do at all.

It creates a fear of losing control because they want to execute, but they are afraid of the consequences. Especially when they are married. I'm not sure it's a good idea to get people who are not in a position to freely engage to try to freely engage. I'm trying to figure out a workable solution for that too.

Now some other stuff:
- I also noticed that the DMSI programming seems to become permanent and also use energy sourced from other subs when there is energy left. I remember on UD I used paysex a few times. Almost all of these women have become so incredibly wet that I almost needed a towel. That usually doesn't happen as it is only a job for these girls and they don't really get wet at all. Most use tons of lubrication. Also the service was better at that time and the price conditions were better. That why I am almost a bit sad because of the anti-paysex module, lol.

Well if you want it to do what it's supposed to do, you have to close off the easy derails.

- In regard to these modules like nofap, anti-paysex you said that they will only run as long the script is running in your head. But what if the script becomes somewhat permanent, wouldn't it mean that these modules would also stay forever in your head? I am simply asking because I am almost scared to death, that these modules could stay forever in your head, the thought really creates an insane fear.

That's what I had in mind for now.

These modules are designed to prevent you from using those things as a way of escaping from execution. And any fear over this is insane, because it's insane to worry about not being able to masturbate or pay for sex.

[CatMan]

LOL...irrelevant to anything in this thread. But let's be honest, is this the first time irrelevant nonsense infected this thread? Lmao.

You know you're executing a program when you end up on the testimonials thread . Not once, but TWICE wow...I think this is my first time getting on there ever, haha.

I'd like to thank the academy for nominating me, my parents for raising me and supporting me throughout the path from resistance to execution, and Shannon for making a great program I couldn't have done it without all of you...

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Subli...s-?page=29

[Shannon]

Shannon,

I read you overhauled the UM/OP scripts, and I'm seeing you included scripting regarding self criticism. Thank you for that

I own OP 4G, and when I listen, the internal voices sometimes begin pushing me harshly--which is the only reason for holding off on listening regularly. A true Catch 22.

I'm using IML subs I own presently (back on E2), but I am really curious how much self kindness, encouragement, or positivity you included in UM/OP. Being motivated in a positive way is something I'd enjoy on a very regular basis, so I thought I'd ask.

Thank you for including this

UMOP attempts to disable self criticism as a reason for procrastination. It doesn't include self kindness, but there is a LOT of encouragement. Positivity is included in that it's designed to make overcoming procrastination enjoyable.

[AbundanceCH]

Shannon,

will Overcome erectile dysfunction/overcome premature ejaculation be updated to 5.5g? If so will there be a discount for those that bought them and who couldn't get results from them?

[Shawn]

- The aura was really strong and there was an almost insane amount of energy, which was exhausting in long term. In fact I sometimes started to shaking, but not sure if through energy overload, or exhaustion (it happend the last days) or maybe fear to execute completely and get her. I tried to increase the distance between myself and her to get a relief from the exhaustment, which worked to some degree, probably because the was no live-sourcing of the energy and the aura wasn't probably that big of size

There is always love-sourcing of the energy. You may be expending more than you are sourcing from currently available sources, but there are multiple streams of concurrent live sourcing being used at all times. If it worked "to some degree" then she was probably being hit by the SRS at the same time as the Standard Sniper. You'll need to move more than 200' (something like 62 or 66 meters, IIRC) from her if that's the case.

I think she got most affection by the standard sniper as it was strongest when I could see her. But there was also a bit of affection all the time and very likely that she was at least 90% of the time within range of SRS.

- The (most) affected woman gave me many crotch displays while wearing a skirt and when wearing a jeans sitting there with wide spread legs. It was always in my direction, no matter where I sat. And when I sat alone in that direction I got a really long view on her panties. The thing is I went over and started talking to her but couldn't turn the conversation into more flirty and sexual. And every time I started to initiate some "accidentaly" touches she gained a bit more distance between us. I have to mention that it was a difficult situation, because it was a business settting, even if that was in our free time. I don't know about the getting more distance, but in regard to conversation we really need some conversation skills. And I am just talking here about basic skills, which I still seem to lack, like turning a conversation into more sexual or flirty. It doesn't to be at master level, but as long DMSI doesn't make her come over, saying "let's go in my room and you **** me now", we definitely need these basic skills.

This is a situation where she is MARRIED, so you probably shouldn't be pursuing in the first place. But otherwise, this is a display that her subconscious is on board, while her conscious is not yet.

At this time I didn't even know she was married, later, when she later tried to keep more distance between us I didn't even try to come closer. Last day she came closer again, but as I said, my energy seemed depleted and the affection was by far not that strong like in the first days.

- Another thing is that I think the aura creates fear of loosing control in women, don't know what we can do about it or if we need to do at all.

It creates a fear of losing control because they want to execute, but they are afraid of the consequences. Especially when they are married. I'm not sure it's a good idea to get people who are not in a position to freely engage to try to freely engage. I'm trying to figure out a workable solution for that too.

I have been thinking about that, too, but not sure what a good solution would be here. I mean it also depends on how happy she is in the relationship and so on.

[RTBoss]

We know for sure that Jake giving the sub to his brother is perfectly fine. The question is can his brother give it back to him.

This is true, IF only one person has possession. It seemed to me that Jake implied, "even though I intend to use it," that they would both be using (or possess) the subliminal simultaneously.

If they want to go through the back-and-forth of swapping possession of the subliminal for the 35 days, then that's their prerogative. But if they're BOTH in possession of copies, it activates the AP code.

But, like Shannon said in a post above, he's not going to want to "give it back."

[DarkPlouf]

@"Mr. Anderson" I'm fascinated by your sensitivity to DMSI's aura and the experience you had with it so far. I wonder, did you ever try to "manually" recharge your energy to see if the sniper fire again?
By manually recharging energy I mean doing some meditation, breathing exercises or energy control stuff.
It'd be interesting to see if and how any conscious effort toward restoring energy can definitely help.
If you get a positive outcome from that experience that'd give one more thing a DMSI user can consciously do to help with the program.

With your experience so far I'm wondering if most people hat failed with DMSI, for some reason didn't have enough energy to power the program. As from what you'have experienced, more energy => moar attraction, moar effect. Depleted energy => less or close to no effects. Even though you were still executing.
If that's true then success with DMSI not only depends on how much you execute the script but on your energy levels.
I think many have the idea that execution is a magic pill but your experience may suggest that you may still execute but "miss" a little something for the program to work as intended.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon , I have a question regarding US/LM and OP/UM. What's the difference between these two? Without the luck component, isn't ultra success and overcoming procrastination the same? Because, what creates success is taking the right action. Won't a program that promotes ultra success just make the user take more action? So don't these two essentially do the same thing? Is the difference only in the luck part?

One is focused on success and includes the luck magnifier, and one is focused on motivating you and overcoming procrastination.

If ultra success and overcoming procrastination were the same, it would not have required completely different scripts.

Creating success does require right action. And motivation is a side effect of that program. They do things that intertwine in some ways, but they have a very different specific focus.

[Shannon]

Some feedback for Shannon regarding my experiences with 3.2 A. I've come across 2 possible resistance loopholes that I didn't experience on 3.1.

1) I've mentioned this before in this thread, some very strong feelings came up saying that the aura is separate from me, and the connections based on it are going to be fake and I'm just tricking girls to be with me. This almost made me quit. Also, I started to be ashamed of the aura being so strong, especially when my friends are around. I don't want them to think I'm hiding something from them and I was also kind of afraid of alienating them (by making them jealous or unintentionally attracting their girlfriends).

I guess these should be already covered by some self optimizing modules or with enough healing, but still it might be worth considering handling them explicitly.

That is your subconscious attempting anything and everything possible to get you to stop using the program, because it knows that unless you stop, you will eventually begin executing. What you are describing is handled explicitly in A side and B side. ASS/ART - the "anti-self-sabotage" parts. But I recommend A side for you.

2) This is about the energy sourcing. I've noticed that on 3.2 the aura (sometimes) only starts firing super hard core when I'm getting turned on by the girl. So for example by starting to fantasize about her, I can control to some extent how strong the aura hits her (their reactions make this pretty obvious). The only problem with this is I guess because of the stop masturbating module (which BTW does its job wonderfully) or because of another form of resistance, it's become very hard for me to get turned on by just looking at a girl (especially the days, even a week after I have a wet dream). It's as if as a form of resistance my horniness disappeared and I'm sabotaging the aura this way.

As if? That would be exactly what your subconscious is trying to do to again sabotage DMSI.

3) And finally, I understand that it's contrary to the original purpose of DMSI, but by nudging the user to take advantage of the opportunities created by the sub would make a huge difference. It just feels such a shame having all these wonderful opportunities present themselves only to let them slip by because of my incompetence or my unwillingness (fear?) to act on them.

I hope my feedback is helpful, you're definitely on the right track, the sub is already amazing, and it's really just a question of weeding out these escape mechanisms. Keep up the great work!

What good does training wheels do if:

A) they weren't producing the desired result anyway, and
B) they were masking what needed to be done to get DMSI to achieve it's goals instead of doing something it was never intended to do?

Your feedback is helpful. It is appreciated, as well, thank you.

[Shannon]

- In regard to these modules like nofap, anti-paysex you said that they will only run as long the script is running in your head. But what if the script becomes somewhat permanent, wouldn't it mean that these modules would also stay forever in your head? I am simply asking because I am almost scared to death, that these modules could stay forever in your head, the thought really creates an insane fear.

The loopholes Shannon is closing are closed for the express purpose of preventing you from using those loopholes as reasons to not execute, or escape. Your free will remains intact. You aren't being "forced" to not masturbate or pay for the company of a prostitute. If you are using masturbation or prostitutes to get out of executing DMSI, it's THAT which Shannon is closing off.

If you're happily executing DMSI, and you choose to burp your worm for reasons other than escaping DMSI - no problem.

Put your fears to rest, my friend - Shannon's not removing your free will to choose.

I know what you are trying to say, and I would love to put my fear aside - and in this case I would probably already execute DMSI too - but the amount of fears created by the thought that I could never again masturbate, watch porn or pay for sex if I choose to is really, really insane. I somehow feel like it's more fear than to the end goal of DMSI. So I really need something that ensures that and that makes me be able to believe this. But I also have the impression that Shannon comes up with a more clever idea to close the loopholes than what's already in.

How about this.

Everything he said is correct.

And why are you so afraid of not being able to use masturbation or paying for sex as an escape? Is it because maybe you might actually have to... I dunno... achieve the goals of DMSI instead?

Those modules are in place to prevent using them as an escape from execution. You didn't pay for this program to be able to escape and fail to get the goal results.

[Shannon]

Shannon,

will Overcome erectile dysfunction/overcome premature ejaculation be updated to 5.5g? If so will there be a discount for those that bought them and who couldn't get results from them?

They will be updated eventually. When they are upgraded, there will be a discount if you did not get results from the previous version. I don't know if they will be upgraded in 5.5G or 6G yet.