Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[MasterEnki]

I am wondering what kinda brain damage she's suffering from?

Also, I think the care taker is taking things to extreme.. No Kissing..? WTF?

That really does sound pretty crazy. From your description she doesn't sound like she's challenged or anything.

My first thought is that there's something strange up with the carer. Who knows.

EDIT: Ok, I just read your post above this which I hadn't before I wrote the reply. I can see where they are coming from now that you described how she is.

Well the 9nly this I would say that if u want to spend time with her like walking around and watching movies then it's OK.. I think this woman just wants to stay in close to you and spend time with you..

I like being around her.

At the least, her presence is getting me more use to women, and this familiarity is helping me be comfortable around women (and she has amazing natural tits).

Plus having a real woman express interest in me can only be good for my self-esteem, and mindset.

[Shawn]

TID causing an aura so powerful that it keeps you awake? That's... interesting... since we are at least a month away from 3.3 still. But I will put that in my notes.

If they are maturing when affected, are you saying it needs to stay in, or it needs enhancement?

Yes, it's strange, because I don't even wanted to run it at begin. But I don't know what else can cause it.

Regarding masturbating, they should be more willing to have sex with the user, maybe every time they masturbating realize more and more that only sex with the user can bring the relief she needs from sex.

Wouldn't that be taking away her free will? And remember, this program may be primarily in use by men to attract women right now, but what happens when it works and the news media picks it up? It's going to be in use by a lot of women, too.

Part of the reason I designed it for all genders is so that no one gender would go too far with it. What you can do to them, they can also do to you. Remember that.

Hm, I don't know if it is already taking away her free will, but maybe you can can make a variation. Like making her think how much better it would be now having sex with the user. Maybe you have a better idea. But if you think it goes too far then I understand if you just leave the part as it is.

I will also write something about the aura I noticed when I am home again from my business training.

I've got a lot of work to do on 3.3, and a lot more than I can remember. But I'm working on it.

Now, here is the addition to what I alread wrote:

Now as I am back I wanted to add some things I noticed in regard to my experience this week. First at all I started thinking that the experience I had was maybe some blend of DMSI 3.3 TID, USLM TID and the existing DMSI programming. I think that because getting better in that area and attracting more girls and sex is definitely a big desire for me, but I also think it used partially the existing programming and it may have also enhanced TID from 3.3. But now back to the things I noticed or wanted to mention:

- The aura was really strong and there was an almost insane amount of energy, which was exhausting in long term. In fact I sometimes started to shaking, but not sure if through energy overload, or exhaustion (it happend the last days) or maybe fear to execute completely and get her. I tried to increase the distance between myself and her to get a relief from the exhaustment, which worked to some degree, probably because the was no live-sourcing of the energy and the aura wasn't probably that big of size

- It looks like the energy came from my heart center, if you know what I mean

- It also looks like people perceive me at least to some degree as creepy when I was highly sexual charged, so the nofap and similar modules wouldn't help here just make it worse. I know it will still go inside, but wanted to mention anyway

- The (most) affected woman gave me many crotch displays while wearing a skirt and when wearing a jeans sitting there with wide spread legs. It was always in my direction, no matter where I sat. And when I sat alone in that direction I got a really long view on her panties. The thing is I went over and started talking to her but couldn't turn the conversation into more flirty and sexual. And every time I started to initiate some "accidentaly" touches she gained a bit more distance between us. I have to mention that it was a difficult situation, because it was a business settting, even if that was in our free time. I don't know about the getting more distance, but in regard to conversation we really need some conversation skills. And I am just talking here about basic skills, which I still seem to lack, like turning a conversation into more sexual or flirty. It doesn't to be at master level, but as long DMSI doesn't make her come over, saying "let's go in my room and you fuck me now", we definitely need these basic skills.

- She definitely was strongly affected, I often got a look from her saying "What's going on here?", sometimes she even looked that desperate that I felt sorry for her, like she really wanted me badly and couldn't help herself. I have to mention here that I found out that she was married, which probably made it more difficult for her

- The days with the strongest affection when close to me she started to avoiding me and put as much distance between myself and her as possible. Knowing the fact that she was married it is understandable. The last day it changed a bit and the affection wasn't that crazy strong but still very noticeable. Maybe it was also because my energy was depleted as well. However, then she was closer to me again, at least here and there. I was thinking about the energy depletion and I somehow wonder if the energy sourcing from food might be to aggressive and doesn't leave enough for the body. I mean, I know there are safety limiters but maybe we can add some extra buffer of energy which would be available for the other body functions, maybe it would also decreas brain fog some experience. It is like the difference between minimum requirement for hardware for a video game (safety limiter) and optimum hardware requirements (safety limiter + energy buffer). And for those who are afraid taking energy away from the aura, the aura seems to be more than strong enough. In fact it seems that women are already intimidated by the amount of energy, so also here we need to get smarter and not necessarily stronger. That's why I don't think creating an extra buffer would hurt. This might be especially important for people who have rather little energy like me. I am more the type of sprinter than a runner and my energy gets depleted fast. And being skinny I also don't have (physical) energy reserves.

- Another thing is that I think the aura creates fear of loosing control in women, don't know what we can do about it or if we need to do at all.


Now some other stuff:
- I also noticed that the DMSI programming seems to become permanent and also use energy sourced from other subs when there is energy left. I remember on UD I used paysex a few times. Almost all of these women have become so incredibly wet that I almost needed a towel. That usually doesn't happen as it is only a job for these girls and they don't really get wet at all. Most use tons of lubrication. Also the service was better at that time and the price conditions were better. That why I am almost a bit sad because of the anti-paysex module, lol.

- In regard to these modules like nofap, anti-paysex you said that they will only run as long the script is running in your head. But what if the script becomes somewhat permanent, wouldn't it mean that these modules would also stay forever in your head? I am simply asking because I am almost scared to death, that these modules could stay forever in your head, the thought really creates an insane fear.

That's what I had in mind for now.

[RTBoss]

- In regard to these modules like nofap, anti-paysex you said that they will only run as long the script is running in your head. But what if the script becomes somewhat permanent, wouldn't it mean that these modules would also stay forever in your head? I am simply asking because I am almost scared to death, that these modules could stay forever in your head, the thought really creates an insane fear.

The loopholes Shannon is closing are closed for the express purpose of preventing you from using those loopholes as reasons to not execute, or escape. Your free will remains intact. You aren't being "forced" to not masturbate or pay for the company of a prostitute. If you are using masturbation or prostitutes to get out of executing DMSI, it's THAT which Shannon is closing off.

If you're happily executing DMSI, and you choose to burp your worm for reasons other than escaping DMSI - no problem.

Put your fears to rest, my friend - Shannon's not removing your free will to choose.

[RTBoss]

@Shannon

Hey buddy, so my brother lives with us at home here in the UK. Hes today confided in me of just how badly hes lost motivation and cant seem to turn it on for his work and career which is stalling.

I wanted to know if its okay to allow him to use the UM/OP sub (downloaded to his phone) that I bought even though I want to start it for myself too in 35days time and continue when I get back to Europe?

thanks alot man!

No, your brother will need to purchase his own copy.

No one can be in possession of a copy, but the owner. If you purchased a copy for yourself, you must be the sole possessor.

If you are actively listening to UM/OP on a speaker for yourself, and your brother is exposed, that's perfectly fine. Putting a copy on your brother's phone is not.

[findingme]

Shannon,

I read you overhauled the UM/OP scripts, and I'm seeing you included scripting regarding self criticism. Thank you for that

I own OP 4G, and when I listen, the internal voices sometimes begin pushing me harshly--which is the only reason for holding off on listening regularly. A true Catch 22.

I'm using IML subs I own presently (back on E2), but I am really curious how much self kindness, encouragement, or positivity you included in UM/OP. Being motivated in a positive way is something I'd enjoy on a very regular basis, so I thought I'd ask.

Thank you for including this

[Raikahoken]

Hi Shannon , I have a question regarding US/LM and OP/UM. What's the difference between these two? Without the luck component, isn't ultra success and overcoming procrastination the same? Because, what creates success is taking the right action. Won't a program that promotes ultra success just make the user take more action? So don't these two essentially do the same thing? Is the difference only in the luck part?

[guybrush]

Some feedback for Shannon regarding my experiences with 3.2 A. I've come across 2 possible resistance loopholes that I didn't experience on 3.1.

1) I've mentioned this before in this thread, some very strong feelings came up saying that the aura is separate from me, and the connections based on it are going to be fake and I'm just tricking girls to be with me. This almost made me quit. Also, I started to be ashamed of the aura being so strong, especially when my friends are around. I don't want them to think I'm hiding something from them and I was also kind of afraid of alienating them (by making them jealous or unintentionally attracting their girlfriends).

I guess these should be already covered by some self optimizing modules or with enough healing, but still it might be worth considering handling them explicitly.

2) This is about the energy sourcing. I've noticed that on 3.2 the aura (sometimes) only starts firing super hard core when I'm getting turned on by the girl. So for example by starting to fantasize about her, I can control to some extent how strong the aura hits her (their reactions make this pretty obvious). The only problem with this is I guess because of the stop masturbating module (which BTW does its job wonderfully) or because of another form of resistance, it's become very hard for me to get turned on by just looking at a girl (especially the days, even a week after I have a wet dream). It's as if as a form of resistance my horniness disappeared and I'm sabotaging the aura this way.

3) And finally, I understand that it's contrary to the original purpose of DMSI, but by nudging the user to take advantage of the opportunities created by the sub would make a huge difference. It just feels such a shame having all these wonderful opportunities present themselves only to let them slip by because of my incompetence or my unwillingness (fear?) to act on them.

I hope my feedback is helpful, you're definitely on the right track, the sub is already amazing, and it's really just a question of weeding out these escape mechanisms. Keep up the great work!

[Havana]

@Shannon

Hey buddy, so my brother lives with us at home here in the UK. Hes today confided in me of just how badly hes lost motivation and cant seem to turn it on for his work and career which is stalling.

I wanted to know if its okay to allow him to use the UM/OP sub (downloaded to his phone) that I bought even though I want to start it for myself too in 35days time and continue when I get back to Europe?

thanks alot man!

No, your brother will need to purchase his own copy.

No one can be in possession of a copy, but the owner. If you purchased a copy for yourself, you must be the sole possessor.

If you are actively listening to UM/OP on a speaker for yourself, and your brother is exposed, that's perfectly fine. Putting a copy on your brother's phone is not.

FAQ doesn't make it clear if a person who was given a sub can give it back after a while or to somebody else entirely. For example it says:

The copy protection is designed to trigger if the program is benefitted from in a situation where fair value is not being returned for fair value. If you’re benefitting from the program, the only time it will not trigger the copy protection is if:
2. You transferred a copy you paid for without keeping any copies for yourself or anyone else.

If you buy it, and you give it to somebody, you must give the person all copies of it and stop using it.

So if Jake deletes his files, then after 35 days his brother deletes his files, according to the above it shouldn't trigger AP. The "fair use" thing seems subjective.

Also it says:

If you buy a copy of a program, and someone else is consistently using it while you are not being exposed, that is not fair use. A person other than the owner is getting value from the program, and that would trigger the copy protection.

Technically Jake won't be "the owner" for that month.

We know for sure that Jake giving the sub to his brother is perfectly fine. The question is can his brother give it back to him.

[Shawn]

- In regard to these modules like nofap, anti-paysex you said that they will only run as long the script is running in your head. But what if the script becomes somewhat permanent, wouldn't it mean that these modules would also stay forever in your head? I am simply asking because I am almost scared to death, that these modules could stay forever in your head, the thought really creates an insane fear.

The loopholes Shannon is closing are closed for the express purpose of preventing you from using those loopholes as reasons to not execute, or escape. Your free will remains intact. You aren't being "forced" to not masturbate or pay for the company of a prostitute. If you are using masturbation or prostitutes to get out of executing DMSI, it's THAT which Shannon is closing off.

If you're happily executing DMSI, and you choose to burp your worm for reasons other than escaping DMSI - no problem.

Put your fears to rest, my friend - Shannon's not removing your free will to choose.

I know what you are trying to say, and I would love to put my fear aside - and in this case I would probably already execute DMSI too - but the amount of fears created by the thought that I could never again masturbate, watch porn or pay for sex if I choose to is really, really insane. I somehow feel like it's more fear than to the end goal of DMSI. So I really need something that ensures that and that makes me be able to believe this. But I also have the impression that Shannon comes up with a more clever idea to close the loopholes than what's already in.

[mat422]

This talk of fear makes me wonder if there's a loophole the subconscious is exploiting about waiting for Shannon to close the loopholes. I can't execute until DMSI V x.x. Maybe something to the effect of "all my subconscious fears aren't addressed, therefore I can't execute". That's been my mentality for the longest time, I'm finally realizing you can't wait forever for things to be 100% solved by DMSI. Sometimes it does take pushing.

[CatMan]

- In regard to these modules like nofap, anti-paysex you said that they will only run as long the script is running in your head. But what if the script becomes somewhat permanent, wouldn't it mean that these modules would also stay forever in your head? I am simply asking because I am almost scared to death, that these modules could stay forever in your head, the thought really creates an insane fear.

The loopholes Shannon is closing are closed for the express purpose of preventing you from using those loopholes as reasons to not execute, or escape. Your free will remains intact. You aren't being "forced" to not masturbate or pay for the company of a prostitute. If you are using masturbation or prostitutes to get out of executing DMSI, it's THAT which Shannon is closing off.

If you're happily executing DMSI, and you choose to burp your worm for reasons other than escaping DMSI - no problem.

Put your fears to rest, my friend - Shannon's not removing your free will to choose.

I know what you are trying to say, and I would love to put my fear aside - and in this case I would probably already execute DMSI too - but the amount of fears created by the thought that I could never again masturbate, watch porn or pay for sex if I choose to is really, really insane. I somehow feel like it's more fear than to the end goal of DMSI. So I really need something that ensures that and that makes me be able to believe this. But I also have the impression that Shannon comes up with a more clever idea to close the loopholes than what's already in.

No offence but you've constantly mentioned this masturbation thing like it's life or death, and championed not putting it into the script, misunderstanding why it was put in over and over and over and over.

Man, he's said time and again, it's only for people who use it to RESIST THE SCRIPT, ie. to not have sex. I can't count how many times it's been said to you .

Look at it this way, if your mind is fighting the no porn no masturbation escape loop holes being closed like this, it must want them to escape, right? So them being in there, is a good thing .

It's okay. Completely okay. It's scripted to be a win-win. Don't worry.

[Shawn]

No offence but you've constantly mentioned this masturbation thing like it's life or death, and championed not putting it into the script, misunderstanding why it was put in over and over and over and over.

Man, he's said time and again, it's only for people who use it to RESIST THE SCRIPT, ie. to not have sex. I can't count how many times it's been said to you .

It's okay. Completely okay. It's scripted to be a win-win. Don't worry.

Believe me, for me it's at least in the same way frustrating like for you guys reading my statements about these modules, but I can't help that, it's an almost panick like feeling when I think about it.

[CatMan]

No offence but you've constantly mentioned this masturbation thing like it's life or death, and championed not putting it into the script, misunderstanding why it was put in over and over and over and over.

Man, he's said time and again, it's only for people who use it to RESIST THE SCRIPT, ie. to not have sex. I can't count how many times it's been said to you .

It's okay. Completely okay. It's scripted to be a win-win. Don't worry.

Believe me, for me it's at least in the same way frustrating like for you guys reading my statements about these modules, but I can't help that, it's an almost panick like feeling when I think about it.

Fair enough, look at it this way then.

Imagine two DMSIs on the table:

1. Allows you to masturbate whenever you want, watch porn when you want, pay for sex when you want, even if it's going to derail the program attracting beautiful women to have sex with instead.

2. Doesn't allow you to derail the program's goal of attracting beautiful women to have sex with by choosing instead to masturbate, watch porn, pay for sex.

Choose one in your mind now . Basically, choose a priority between either sex with beautiful women you attract, or masturbation, porn and escorts. You have nothing to fear pal, because you are making the choice between them. You have the power at ALL times to listen, or not listen, remember that!

And realise that holding onto those escape routes, will just damn you to using them and not executing.

That's what I've used to get myself past some over time.

That should help, buddy.

[Shannon]

@Zane

I am wondering what kinda brain damage she’s suffering from?

37yo woman has some difficulty speaking, she can only say shorter sentences, that are other missing words. But she usually always says key words. For example about a week ago when I was seeing her at the local cafe (her carer is okay with cafe lunches with her), she said “Bed... Together” while pointing at me. Another time she was saying “My house... Me... You... Sleep”.

Recently, at one of our cafe lunches, she was saying “You... My house”, and I asked her what do you want to do together, and she replied “Upstairs... Cuddle” (her room is upstairs). It seems like she wants to sleep with me (she is fairly consistent with her message).

37yo woman also has below-average IQ, and is noticeably slower in her movements and often takes several seconds to answer simple questions (her answers are consistent though). She tends to ask me the same questions over and over, so her memory may not be too great. She’s asked me if I live with my parents several times now (I live by myself at the moment).

Also, I think the care taker is taking things to extreme.. No kissing..? WTF?

Agreed. It is quite extreme.

State legislation says that one of the many exceptions to consent includes ‘Mentally impairment’, meaning that if a person who is ‘mentally impaired’ consents to sex, then it is automatically rape.

Her carer said to me “she has trouble saying ‘no’” and that this point voids her consent. I think her carer is over-reacting, but the group home policies consider kissing as a romantic / sexual act, and according to the group home policies, romantic relationships and sexual relationships are treated the same (referred to as ‘personal relationship’). The group home errs on the side of over-protected, rather than under-protected.

Very recently, my state has new legislative requirements for group homes focused on preventing sexual harassment, abuse, assault and/or rape. State consent laws were made ‘tougher’ a few months ago.

“Only an enthusiastic ‘Yes’, means ‘Yes’.” is the current legislation. But all grey areas are treated as an automatic ‘no’ / non-consent (such as brain damage, intellectual disability, drunk, high, coercion, blackmail, and many others).

MeToo has lead to hysteria, paranoia and mass fear. At the local shops there are government sponsored billboards that show women crying, with short messages about sexual abuse / violence. One of the government sponsored ads said “9 in 10 women have been sexually harassed, but only 1 in 4 adults report it”.

All this is likely why the carer is so over-the-top / over-protective. It frustrates me greatly.

I am going to point out to you that if I was to make a bet that NOBODY else on this forum would even THINK of trying to get into a relationship with, or have sex with, a woman in that condition. Wouldn't even have to think about it for a split second.

What you describe is the lowest possible value for a woman to have for relationships and mating with a healthy male. I'm not saying she's not human, doesn't have feelings, isn't deserving of love and affection, being treated with consideration and respect, taken care of, etc. What I am saying is that nobody in their right mind would pursue such a female for sex or romance if they were not on or very close to her level of disability. EXCEPT someone who has NO self esteem or sense of personal value.

You need to drop this AYP program IMMEDIATELY and start working on self esteem, self respect, self validation and things like that. Focus on THAT for a year instead, because man, you are seriously in need of growing past that.

I recommend you start using DMSI-A RIGHT NOW. Of course I'm expecting that you'll just ignore my advice again and continue along your merry way - again. But if you do that, your situation will not change and you will only be wasting the time of anyone who responds to help you. Again.

AM6 is also a possibility for making progress, but DMSI-A is a better one in my opinion.

You are right now stuck in lala land and self defeating. You can either hide from your fears and have more of that, or you can make some changes that will actually result on progress. Your choice, but I'm not going to respond to your posts anymore after this unless I see you are indeed making changes and progress.

EDIT: I want you to understand that DMSI-A will require that you stay away from this woman, as she will not likely have the self control to prevent herself from acting on her reactions, even in public. Do AM6 if you are unwilling to stay away from her. Or E2, or SE 5.5G, but do SOMETHING to improve your self esteem, sense of self worth, self validation, etc. DMSI-A is going to be the best choice right now.