Shannon's Journal Discussion Volume 3

[Broski]

Hey Shannon,

Currently on day 77 of no fap(longest streak yet) and I believe dmsi 3.2 has really helped me here. I have barely had any urges to masturbate during this time. What I have noticed however as of late is my mind is going into ultra fantasy mode with a particular girl i like and i get a similar dopamine rush pleasure sensation that one gets from porn or masturbation. Just thought I would bring that to your attention in case it was a possible resistance loophole that needs to be plugged up

[Benjamin]

@Benjamin where is your journal? Progress?

I stopped using DMSI like 3 weeks ago. Not using any subliminals at the moment.

Even if I do I likely won't journal as much due to a few things. But i'll keep that for pm.

[thor2014]

6 days into DMSI version A 7 loops strong wood in the mornings. This might be due to taking M stack for the gym. M stack is a natural supplement for body building.

On the 6th day i got angry and began masturbating. The IDGAF is kicking in strong. No external results yet.

[Jake2015]

@Shannon
Hope youre well bro & all is good.

I had a thought. DMSI has definitely been the reason I have stopped fapping.
Its wrong of me to take credit for this when its clear its DMSI. So im executing this and its working on this element!!

I didnt make NOfap a goal at all. I just played DMSI and boom when im aroused and even looking at porn im just not fapping, its automatic.

So does this data help you because im feeling for me anyway, whatever you put in DMSI for no fapping works on me and if this can be duplicated in 3.3 for other sub goals then maybe you can get me to execute way more in 3.3?

thanks in advance my friend.

[robstar]

@Shannon
I have a question about ara and dra vs E2. I have neither "Anxiety" or "Depression" speaking in clinical terms, but I have plenty of depression and anxiety within me, more so than in the past. How would you compare running E2 for say 90 days, vs running ara for 45 and dra for another 45 in terms of making me a happier, depression and anxiety free individual? Ara/dra have newer tech which definitely appeals to me more, but I wonder if they're as effective at actually clearing out issues as E2, of they're sort of more of a bandaid, having 'relief' in the title.. I don't want relief I want total healing.

[Jake2015]

@Shannon
I have a question about ara and dra vs E2. I have neither "Anxiety" or "Depression" speaking in clinical terms, but I have plenty of depression and anxiety within me, more so than in the past. How would you compare running E2 for say 90 days, vs running ara for 45 and dra for another 45 in terms of making me a happier, depression and anxiety free individual? Ara/dra have newer tech which definitely appeals to me more, but I wonder if they're as effective at actually clearing out issues as E2, of they're sort of more of a bandaid, having 'relief' in the title.. I don't want relief I want total healing.

Hey Robstar, im same I think after my first relationship a long long time ago may have caused me to have inner depression though im not a depressed guy.

E2 will heal at your own pace. So it may or not heal you in 90 days to the standard you effect. It could take it very slow or very fast depending on whatever is right for you.

The other subs are higher tech and newer subs so they would work better for their respective issues.

If you want something to work in a short time frame I say get the 2 newer subs, if you have time then try out E2.

Shannon will clarify better and correct me if im wrong but answering you to help him out, thanks - go SuperSaiyan!!

[Dmitry]

It will be very cool to have EHPRA V3.0.

[Shannon]

Its my 3rd day of doing 7 loops on dmsi version A. I had the feeling that i am not that good looking. I feel insecure my mind tells me AMS will cure this but will continue with dmsi on 7 loops.

Im back after a long time away, so been trying to read and catch up on all the news here. This got my attention however because I also had that same experience during my brief run of DMSI A.

I recall mentioning in my journal how I didnt feel attractive and knew I had to work on it which ive always known but have been unable to actually start on due to lack of time, ability on where to start etc.

So now im assured it was DMSI and ill try and get back on to it.

Since stopping DMSI ive had very little desire and urge to actually get back on to it. It could be major resistance and wonder if Shannon thinks it is but consciously I felt since all I thought I was getting was no fapping then why stay on it - thats what my mind has been saying to me.

I am also eager and hoping that 3.3 will allow me to execute alot more of the sub and allow me to consciously notice this since its now clear to me that a feedback of some sorts to help encourage my hope will keep me wanting to continue using DMSI which I think is a better form of attack for all forms of resistance - in other words, if we can see it is working, and working in the right direction then we will continue to persist.

what do you think @Shannon ?

and hope all here are well

I think it makes perfect sense that avoidance would be a great way to defeat DMSI. And going to that length generally means there is no other way to do it for that person.

3.3 won't "allow you to execute" any more than 3.2 does, because neither is "allowing you to execute". That comes from within you.

What 3.3 will do is close the gates on even more ways the subconscious can resist, and make execution much easier as a result.

[Shannon]

So guys ive posted my journal to update what ive been upto and then wrote the following which seemed to be what I have evaluated whilst I was on DMSI.

I want to know what you all think and what @Shannon thinks too please.

Thanks

I have realised more - again is this due to DMSI I dont know - that I am a Beta Male, even though I do feel Alpha, because I make girls friends rather than lovers. I however do believe this HAS alot to do with my image and no matter what anyone says LOOKS do matter to women as much as they do to men.

A women needs to be attracted to a man in the same way a man needs to be attracted to a female. Its basic common sense. If you are a good looking man then you will get the girl. - if anyone wants to challenge this then please do. - I may post this on Shannon's journal to see what he and other say regarding this.

There are other potential reasons why you might make girls friends instead of lovers than just being a "beta male".

No alpha makes every woman his lover unless he is seriously seeking validation or operating on some really fucked up beliefs. You know that a true alpha does as he pleases, and has no need for any one particular woman. He has what he wants and needs, and the rest can take it or leave it. So women come to him because he is confident and self providing, as well as self assured and having other options. He is, in a just a few words, very high value. As such, he freely accepts or rejects offers from women as he sees fit. He is not a slave to his dick or anyone else's expectations or validations. He does as he pleases. Regardless of what others think, say, do or approve of. Shy, of course, of being carelessly hurtful of others. (Some women and beta males will attempt to use "you're hurting me" as a manipulation tactic; alphas see this and remain unaffected by it. But they do not intentionally hurt people just because they can.)

An alpha male can take on a woman as "just a friend" because he is simply not interested in her sexually. Sometimes, she is a network web point, which he will accept as a friend in order to expand his social circle with and through her.

Now if you're making all women friends and doing so out of fear, then you may have an issue. But again, that doesn't automatically make you "beta" or any other designation of that type.

And you are wrong. Looks do not matter to women as much as they do to men. Looks are vastly more important to a man than a woman. You can prove this to yourself by going out on the town and observing the number of value-mismatched pairs you encounter over a month or two. Based on looks alone, you will find that the value mismatch favors hot(ter) women with lower value (appearance wise) men between 2:1 and 3:1 over the reverse. In other words, you'll only rarely see a "hot guy" with an average or ugly girl who he is involved with and/or having sex with in a relationship, but it's not really that uncommon to see a hot girl doing that with an average or even ugly guy.

Women are more prone to assessing the total package, because women have different priorities. She is seeking one thing above all else: SECURITY. If she can find it in the way she needs it with an ugly guy, she will go after that ugly guy. Average and ugly guys are much less likely to cheat on her because they are lower value and therefore have much less chance of replacing her.

Furthermore, it depends on what he has to offer, and what her personality type is. If she is a passionate or intellectual focus, she will be much less likely to be seeking the kind of security that overrides "what others will think of me for dating a 'lesser' male". Emotional and sensual focus types, the reverse tends to be true.

And as to what he has to offer, women seek not just security, but to FEEL GOOD. If you make her feel better than anyone else, she will most likely choose you, regardless of anything and everything else. So fat, ugly, skinny, out of shape and even sometimes deformed guys have a shot with hot(ter) women if they have, for example, a great sense of humor that matches hers; or a sense of confidence that makes her feel safe the way she needs to; or the money to provide for her and keep her financial insecurities at bay; and so forth.

Not every woman has the same insecurities or the same level of insecurities. Some women have relatively few or no insecurities, and they will seek men based on how happy and good the man makes them feel. Some women are deeply insecure, and will "settle for anything" as long as he is willing to be her security blanket. It just depends on the woman.

My current girlfriend for example, tells me that I am the best looking man she ever dated, but she doesn't really care about that. She cares about the fact that I am honest, reliable and trustworthy, and that I make sure she is safe and taken care of in the ways she needs to be in order to feel safe emotionally. She knows she can always rely on me to have her back, no matter what. She points out women all the time who are interested in me and showing it. Sometimes I notice, and sometimes I don't. But she thinks it's funny. Again, because she knows I am loyal and trustworthy, and she can trust me. I chose to make her my one and only because I knew she needed that and because she was worth it, since she gives me everything I need in one woman in return.

It all depends on what that particular woman needs and wants.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

Hey hope you're good bro.

Just wondered if you feel with 3.3 and beyond, as the subs near perfection/6G whether their length will decrease or increase? Whether their ARSB will change in anyway too.

I ask since in the past subs were to be played for 8hours for 32days minimum, and now we have 1 loop (70mins approx) for lesser days with breaks, that if the subs will become easier and easier to manage in a heavy busy life that we all seem to have.

thanks in advance as always!

The length of the script is going to increase significantly as we add in mined tech from Beast, as well as whatever I create specifically for DMSI or other programs, outside of Beast.

The length of the audio is likely to remain constant at 60 minutes, because that is a good balance point for ASRB calculation, and because nothing is preventing me from doing so otherwise.

[Shannon]

@Shannon

I have a practical ‘game plan’ now. Get to know women first, and try build a connection first (I guess this means, with them, going to cafes, beach, sharing hobbies, etc). And let them make the moves / escalate (It is my understanding that AYP manifestations will escalate, and that she will make the moves).

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the person who responds. If you do manifest something, however, things will strongly tend to naturally flow into the sort of relationship and experience the program is designed for, without concern for who escalates.

There are still a few things I’m confused about,

In my opinion, trying to lose your virginity to a FWB in this day and age is unwise

That means she will be less likely to hurt you than a FWB, in my experience.

Could you please expand on these points.

In what ways is my perfect FWB (primary manifestation of AYP FWB) likely to hurt me?

Why would losing my virginity to my perfect FWB be unwise?

I didn't say a FWB would be likely to hurt you. However, who do you think is more likely to hurt you? A friend, or someone who is deeply concerned with your emotional and sexual health and well being? It's just common sense that someone who is more invested in you will be safer than someone who is not.

It is unwise because if you have sex with a woman who is only a casual acquaintance, she will have much less emotional involvement in you and much less connection to you. Most people are deeply affected by sex, even though most guys don't understand this, and sex with someone you're only friends with is a good way to have a sub-par first experience in my humble opinion.

If I were in your shoes, I would be doing AYPSL or AYPRL

I’m currently 130 days in using AYP FWB (as of today). I started AYP FWB in mid Jan 2018.

I chose ‘Perfect FWB’ (instead of other AYPs) because I thought that it would be the option with the least amount of drama / least amount of issues.

I value my independence greatly, and want to live separately from women, and focus my dating for weekends only. I’m naturally an introvert, and like to regularly have quiet time by myself, to meditate, to read, and relax.

Though, if losing my virginity to my ‘perfect FWB’ has hidden and dangerous consequences, then I may reconsider (and try another AYP), if those consequences are severe enough.


Thanks

You're certainly welcome to whatever you choose, and what I say is my opinion. My point of view may not be the best way for you. But I suggest these things because of my personal experience.

[Shannon]

I use to get a proper IDGAF on AMS all i am getting from dmsi is concerns and worries about my age and looks.

You are expecting DMSI to be the same as AM. It's not. It has different goals and different methods of achieving those goals. What you're getting is DMSI pushing you to deal with and overcome the things you didn't even know were holding you back.

[Shannon]

Ben, Shannon

I might have self esteem issues. Should i purchase and use the self esteem sub instead ? Or continue with dmsi version a ?.

If you are using DMSI because you want to achieve it's goals, then use DMSI. If you want to fail to achieve it's goals, by all means, follow along with the self sabotage attempts your subconscious is making.

[Shannon]

Hey Shannon I don't know if this inappropriate so don't hesitate to tell me if it is, but I'm making a subliminal for myself and was wondering if you could check my scripting of a few lines. I remember you encouraged someone in the past to make their own subliminal and gave them tips so thought I'd ask you. I'm not sure if these particular lines will backfire or not. I won't be distributing or advertising my subliminals they are purely for my personal use. Go ahead and edit this post if you want to.

I don't remember encouraging someone to make a subliminal for themselves and giving them tips on how to do so. In fact I actively and consistently discourage people from doing that, because the art of creating a safe and effective subliminal script is much more challenging and advanced than almost anyone understands and realizes, and you can cause yourself significant issues as a result.

I'm afraid giving you tips would not be a good way for me to make the point that I am serious about my warnings, so I will politely decline.