Tarot thread

[JackOfHearts]

I'm loving card reading more and more.

I was reading about the psychedelic thing on frosted's thread. And to confirm my opinion on the use of it I drew some cards.

A 5 of spade came out first then a 5 of heart. It took me around 3 minutes to understand why it came out.
The Spade represent working on yourself, the heart represent working on your emotion, emotional fulfillment.
The 5 is hard card, it's a difficult thing that require long term work. It's the step before having a lot of success in the material world.
The 4 is stability, it's having your things worked out to a comfortable stage, but it's not amazing, it's safe and becomes boring after a while. It's like having a basic/standard salary to meet your needs (diamond) or a basic/standard relationship (heart) or a basic/standard confidence to work through difficulty(spade) , it's good but it's not exceptional, it's not a 6. Then comes the 5 where you are working to become successful in one area, to be at the top, to be an expert on something, what ever that something is (love, money, self improvement).
That process of the 5 takes long term focus and is not easy, it's actually the number that take the most time.

So what does it have to do with psychedelic?
Well most psychedelic from what I seen are "sold" as a shortcut that will make you the thing. In short to skip that process of the 5, they are avoiding reality which require long term focus before having great success.

So what is the answer I got? That anything that doesn't require long term work on yourself (spade) and emotions (heart) aren't the right way to do things if you want that 6.

[JackOfHearts]

I drew a card today, another King of spade
I wanted to meet with the "GF" today as we were supposed to but
For what ever reason she was too lazy to go through it.
So I watched my video course but it wasn't what I wanted this time, I expected to have fun today, this is my ego wanting to have fun. But not today
Then later that day she tells me tomorrow we can meet but I asked her a few question about that meeting and I realized that we won't have time to do anything. So again no satisfaction for me (my ego).

At least I had fun watching my video alone but even the video sometimes was frustrating as it was like I couldn't be satisfied with it, and in one video he forgot to talk about my card

That King of spade is a serious card Hard work required and no one will come help you feed your ego needs Being a king sucks

Yesterday was a 8 of heart, and I felt so much internal love, it was kind of crazy, I had this thoughts of a girl loving me popping into my head. I felt like I was whole, I felt loved

[JackOfHearts]

To answer a pm and to talk about my last draw and then about Travis card:

Jack represent the force that empower the first 3 cards 1, 2, 3. The club represent the intellect , the creativity, inspiration, communication (air element).
Jack empower particularly the first card the Ace, so Jack are very powerful initiator, the first that do something new, they are very confident. The 2 make him connect with that new thing and 3 make him withdraw, take a little distance. Since it's a club this will usually be an idea they find, then connect on that idea to see what's it's like then withdraw from that idea, or experiment that idea in the real world on their own, without the teaching.
For example my teacher has a lot of Jack of club, he had an idea about the destiny card (1), then he studied the system to see how it works, where it came from, etc, (2), Then he tweaked the system to make that system more fitting to what he knows or found with his own intellect (3). This is the jack of club process, after going through back and forth a lot of times from 1 to 3 on an idea you start to become secure with that idea, so after that it becomes a 4 of club. At this point the system he tweaked started to emerge, to have a face of his own, this is where he called the system card of truth.

Usually with jacks there are a lot of things happening, it's not boring, they have a lot on their mind.

I drew a Jack of Spade yesterday, Spade is confidence and working on yourself.
First I met with my GF, we did a lot of things, a lot of news things, I bought a new tarot deck, some new cloth, I confidently told to call her friend to resolve a problem and it was fast. I visited my new GF's apartment. We also did a lot of new things in her apartment.

Then I went to my dance course, at some point the teacher said he wanted to test something new. He said each couple will pass in front of everyone for dancing, the girls will close their eyes and the guys will randomly make each dance move we just learn to see if they can follow the guy movement.
As you can imagine this takes a lot of confidence to dance in front of everybody, and girls had to follow the men directly without knowing what they will do. When teaching the girls usually knows from the teacher what moves they are going to do which isn't how dancing should be like as girls has to follow the men without knowing what he will do.

Then I went to another dancing class, there were a party at the end, where everyone dance freely, I met with a new girl there who never danced at a party on her own. I helped her make her first step there. There were 2 actually, another one who only followed the dance class only until now and she was very stressed at first.

So this was my jack of spade day. Travis has a Jack of Spade in his Sun card so this card may be more apparent in his life. Jack of Spade is supposed to be the card for confidence, the best one, it makes the most courageous people.
Jack of heart is best for love, starting new love, having a lot of relationship here and there. In the Venus card this one is particularly good as if you want some SM3 or WM2 experience. Some guys here who are successful with girls actually have a very good card in their Venus card. For example Dzeemo has a Jack of club in his Venus card; AbundanceCH has a jack of heart. Any face card or Ace do some good stuff there, Ten is good there too, 6 are also very good there. Some card will make relationship more long term though like 6 and 4 or queen. While a jack will be more on the fast quicky. 4kingdoms is a jack of heart (birthcard), Appollolux Jack of club.

[JackOfHearts]

At the risk of repeating myself I'm blown away by this card system. It's fuc*** accurate, some stuff I was attributing with astrology to some placement totally make sense now.

Example: the Neptune card tells you how you find "God" in this world, how you connect to the "Universe", when everything go bad what do you cling to, How to you approach God spirituality?
I have a 4 of club in my Neptune card which mean I do that intellectually . The 4 means I'm secure in that intellectual perspective. You can't be more straightforward than that

I have a friend who is very spiritually inclined, he often tells me story on how he find "God" while meeting with some stranger. One time it was a guy in a church, supposedly the guy was refined and was nice with him, barely spoke a word to him but to him it was a marvelous experience. Then another time similar story with another guy which tell some words to him and go away. There is always this strange connection with someone he barely know but the connection with that person mean a lot to him.
His Neptune card is a 2 of spade. The 2 is coming together, connecting with someone.

My father has a heart card in his Neptune , and with him it's always some lovey dovey story which I have to admit make me want to run away

Edited: I meant Neptune not Uranus

[JackOfHearts]

So let’s have some fun, I need some practice with my new knowledge. I feel like the same I felt when I first discovered Astrology, I remember spending around 3 weeks looking at every video of astrology and articles non stop everyday. You know like when you watch a good serie you really like, you can’t stop.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Cla4O...sp=sharing

But let’s get to it. Ten of diamond, that’s a very good card. Tens actually have all the numbers in them, it’s a 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, more precisely it’s a 1 on another level. So for example if your pokemon was at the level 16 after going through their training they hit each “enemy” from 1 to 9 and goes to the level 17. In that card of truth system the numbers represent the wheel of life, death, reincarnation. So that 10 means you getting to a new level but sometimes it means a level 5 for someone and for someone else it means a level 80, so don’t get all worked up because it’s a 10 or a 9 for that matter.
A 2 at the level 72 is better than a level 10 on level 15. So don’t judge on the number only. But we don’t really know at which level someone is. 10 is also said to represent “patient and enduring activity”

So a 10 of diamond is someone who who can juggle through each number from 1 to 9, so it usually means they have mastered a bit of every number in that Diamond suit. Diamond is skills, resourcefulness, intelligence, and your material body . It’s a lot of things but Diamond are specific and will usually master only one thing very well at the expert level, so it’s only one of those thing. For example it can be a billionaire who made his money through real estate or someone very intelligent like Nikola Tesla or a Cyclist like Lance Armstrong. But it can also means a lazy person who stay at his home if his cards are mess up. They are only 52 cards so don’t expect to become a billionaire if you have the same card as Bill Gates, it’s not only about the cards. I have the same birthcard as Donald Trump and I don’t expect to be like him in every way.

What strike me the most in the 10 of diamond is the Queen of diamond in the mercury card. Queen of diamond can be the most successful in the material world as it represent the 4,5,6. They are very good at the process which takes the longest to accomplish. Attaining a high efficiency level in the material world takes a lot of time and a Queen of Diamond is the Queen of that process which requires times, you can it see it like a mum educating her child, it takes patience and time to do it well and effectively.
Dweller has the Moon, Mars and Venus in that Queen of Diamond card, so I think he is very good at managing his resources or his skills, that kind of person can build his resources in a slow manner that lead to success, the perseverance that most of us lack. The fact that the moon is there is particularly important too as the moon has an affinity with the Queen and the moon is someone's personality so it’s one of the most important placement, I’m feeling jealous at this moment because my moon isn’t as well placed as his.

Next we have Jupiter and rahu in the Ace of Diamond, another good position. Ace are initiator and are among the best cards to have, it gives confidence to start the suits, to start something new related to Diamond in this case. Jupiter being his Ascendant lord makes this Ace even more important, this can make his body more healthy, more strong, as Diamond are the earth element, it can gives them material resources like land or possession, it can be anything of value, even beauty. I see 4 placements in Diamond so I can officially declare Dweller as dominant Diamond.

Then next suit he has more of is Spade (fire element), he has the Sun and mercury in the 8 of spade. It’s also his Sun card which is one of the most important one. 8 of spade I think I already explained somewhere but let’s do it again. 7 is the death of the ego, it’s when the body die and you realize that the body isn’t everything, it’s a spiritual development toward understanding more. At the 8 the body has died and you realize the spiritual lesson of it. Which is less ego attachment, and the less ego you have the more free you become. For the guys here I would describe this process similar to what someone does when using AM6, he has to let go of some part of himself in order to grow, a part of unwanted subconscious behavior die. And we become much more efficient afterward. Let’s say for example that the first 3 stage are the 7 and the 8 is the last 3 stages. But things only really happen in the last 3 stage if you didn’t resist the first 3 likewise you can’t get the 8 if you haven’t get fully the 7 part of letting go of the ego. Usually someone is less attached to his ego if is Saturn is well placed and it’s the case here so I think he has gain a lot of spiritual knowledge with this 8 of spade making him more psychologically healthy. Also as we grow older we master more those last 3 number, 7,8,9, the numbers of the King card.
Spade do a lot of work on themselves, they are the hardworking guys who doesn’t give up at the middle of a 6 stage run.

But let’s get to something more simple, We see in this spread a lot of Diamond and a good amount of spade. Spade and Diamond are the hard worker of the 2 suits, while the 2 other are the more social ones. So this makes Dweller more oriented to build upon something like BASE than WM2.
He has Saturn in the 5 of heart, easing into the social ladder a bit but it’s not much and the 5 is a hard number so it’s not really awesome there. He has a Ace of heart in his Moon card but there is no planet in it so that card is not as alive as the other, it’s still a good card for his moon though, certainly giving that Queen more emotion/satisfaction to help alleviate the burden of too much work.

There is one thing to know about Diamond, while it can make someone rich or very successful in a field, it also require a lot of hard work. Queen of diamond card is very auspicious for business but it’s usually a pain in the ass for relationship. A good example of Queen of diamond personality is Tom cruise, while he is one of the most successful actor out there his relationship with the normal social world is not as perfect to say the least. The 3 of club in the Venus card is not a good placement there and will tend to make more harsh relationship, club here will tend to make relationship about the intellect, the 3 will make it about "the difficult aspect of learning". This will also tend to make the relationship last less time as 3 means "going apart from something" or it can also means more partners like Threesome The harsh aspect from the 3 sometimes come from competition so there can be competition in your love life. Ultimately it's not a problem if you enjoy competition and like more partners.

This bring me to the Ecliptic card which is one of the most important card to look at. This card represent the path someone is on, this card in this case is the 5 of diamond, it represents the path of a 10 of diamond, in this case Dweller’s path. That means a lot of time his life is going to dwell into a 5 of Diamond theme, this is the direction he is going toward. As you may already know the 5 is a hard card. The 4 is the secure state but the 5 is the leap forward into a knew difficulty, a new unknown territory. The 5 is the card the Queen actually empower and represent the most, the Queen represent the second sets of 3 numbers, the 4,5,6 and she empower particularly the 2 number out of those, which is the 5.

So this is my little personality reading, very short here.

There is so much to say, ultimately I can’t express everything I see in his cards, if someone really want to know he has study the system a little bit. And there is so much in the Card symbols. When you know what the cards represents it’s like the personality isn’t as important.

Edited: removed some typo and added some details

[Determined]

I have the Queen of clubs in Ecliptic, the Ace of Clubs in Ketu and 10 of clubs in Jupiter. What's the significance of all these together

[JackOfHearts]

Let's start with your Jupiter card; it's a 10 of club and there is the Sun and mercury there. Clubs are the intellectual suit, a 1O there means you have mastered a bit of everything in the intellectual process that happen in life, which are represented by each number. This means a lot of creatives idea and the ability to put them in practice effectively. This makes someone very intelligent.
There is a catch though, astrologicaly it's in Pisces, which means your mercury is debilitated, the least powerful state. This can makes someone irrational or lose their sense of discrimination. I have seen a tendency of Mercury in Pisces they tend to like more drug that supposedly help them reach higher consciousness. DarthXeDonias has mercury debilitated too and he is doing exactly that.

But your mercury is also exalted in another place so it's not as problematic.
And that mercury in the card system is in the 10 of club, it seems to be the equivalent of that exalted mercury in the Navamsa. When I first saw that mercury in Pisces I thought it doesn't make sense that you seem so good from what I saw in your writings. So here is the explanation

The queen of clubs in the Ecliptic means you are on the path to master this card, in your life you will constantly see that theme of Queen of clubs, it's like if you would draw a card that represent all your days in this life instead of one day.
Queen of clubs is the process of mastering your intellectual abilities, your philosophy your creativity. It's the 4, 5 , and 6 step of the intellectual process.
Let's take NLP as a example, once you have secured your knowledge about it, you are comfortable doing some hypnosis on yourself and others, it's the 4 of club. Then after that you hit a new wall. You want to become very good at this skill, to be above the average NLP guy, this is when the 5 comes in, that number is the most important number for the Queen, it's also the one that takes the most time and it's so hard that it requires not only times but also luck which is Jupiter the 5th planet. Then after years and years of training and practice comes the 6, which is a high efficiency in the material world.

The ketu card is the card you get more and more as you kill the ego, ketu is the 9, it's the number of perfection, once you have done a good job at the 7 and 8 you get to the 9, it's the closest you can get to GOD. The king card is the most powerful to do that job as it's the 7,8,9 and particularly the 9, which is the 3rd number of the 3rd sets of number. The 9 depends a lot on the number 3 though as it's working on yourself. Planetary speaking Ketu need mars to become fully realized, Mars being the 3rd planet.

There is contradiction though, as in your spread the 3 of diamond is your Pluto card. And the number in the Pluto card is the one our ego has attached itself to the most. It's the card we are the most addicted to, it's like our drug we feed our self with. Problem is that if we are addicted to it we don't do it in a healthy manner and that means we actually don't get that number in the pluto card. But in order to get to that card we have to go the Neptune card and before that the Uranus card. The Uranus card is what make us who we are, it's what make us different, it's our individualized part of our self. So it's one of the most important part of our self that we are becoming more and more as we grow more to become who we really are.

[Determined]

Youre right about the drugs, I had a drug phase a few years ago (LSD, MDMA) but luckily it was only minor. My intent was to expand my mind or in my own words "attain powers" lol. What a funny time.

I like your description of what the Ketu and Ecliptic cards are. Makes more sense now. Thank you

[Adrien Silva]

can you look at my username and see what cards you see?

[JackOfHearts]

can you look at my username and see what cards you see?

A king of heart upside down.

[Adrien Silva]

can you look at my username and see what cards you see?

A king of heart upside down.

which means what exactly?

[JackOfHearts]

King of heart is kind of a loving father that take the tough decision for the happiness of his child. It's a tough leadership position that require sacrifice for love
Being upside down means you are stuck on that level and you aren't properly doing that behavior.

[Adrien Silva]

King of heart is kind of a loving father that take the tough decision for the happiness of his child. It's a tough leadership position that require sacrifice for love
Being upside down means you are stuck on that level and you aren't properly doing that behavior.

lol well I don't have a child

[JackOfHearts]

It's an example, and it's symbolic, you can have a "father child" kind of relationship with something or someone or a theme of that in your life without being a father.
Take Shannon for example, we are like his children on this forum, he is taking care of us.
An upside down King of heart for Shannon would mean in the context of this forum that he is some kind of tyrant, not properly spreading the love so to speak. Just to be sure it's an example again.
You can even have a "father child" kind of relationship with yourself by the way, you don't even need anyone or anything.