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Social anxiety, EPHRA 2.0 or OF 2.0? - Simon - 04-07-2016
Hello guys,
I'm currently still doing my first sub which is EPHRA for close to 6 months now.
Improvements I made over the last 6 months:
- No more depression periods of several days in a row. (now it's more like a few hours maximum, and also les often. So you could say I'm more positive than before)
- I'm treating my body and mind way better. (I really made some big changes in quiting toxic behavior and adding healthy habbits)
So I've seen a good improvement, however some things that I expected to happen didn't happen, like:
- No emotional dreams (I don't dream as vivid as when I was younger, and also not as often, so I'm not completely sure about this one)
- No memories or things from the past that came up in my conscious mind that I had to deal with, I mean nothing..
So I'm not quite sure how EPHRA is working on me, but I think it stimulated me in making healthy changes in my life.
However, I still have social anxiety, which is my only problem, I no longer feel depressed about it (only sparingly and for a few hours at most), I'm way more motivated, positive and hopefull.
But I do still have:
- Fear of being judged
- Fear of being not good enough
- Fear of being rejected
- Fear of being in center of attention
- Fear of being around dominant people
- Shame issues, blushing about misspelling a word for example.
- Fear of not being liked
I believe I'm genetically disposed to being socially anxious (my mother had/has the same problem in her younger years) and next to that I believe in that I've been conditioned by her in early childhood. Not that I remember anything, but it seems logical that I've copied some of her behavior and self-esteem.
However I never had any anxious feeling in social situations before my 17th and I had a normal level of self esteem and confidence.
My theory is that I triggered this latent social anxiety by drug abuse (weed) and maybe just by growing up and forming an identity after doing crazy shit and not being very self conscious when I was in puberty.
However, what the cause may be, I'm still socially anxious.
Now I don't know if I should choose EPHRA 2.0 or OF 2.0
EPHRA 2.0 has the script of OF 5G in it, so that would tackle my anxiety problems while EPHRA is clearing more stuff from the past.
But maybe OF 2.0 is way more focussed on anxiety problems, and gives me better results in overcoming fear.
I'ts a tricky one, I believe a lot of our beliefs, fears etc stems from childhood. However I don't recall any troubling memories. But still EPHRA 2.0 might be good for this.
On the other side, I've only experienced social anxiety from around age 18 till now.
When I was a child growing up, I didn't experience any social anxiety, so if there's a lot of stuff from childhood causing this social anxiety, why wasn't I socially anxious before age 18?
I hope you guys can help me with making a good choice.
Thanks
RE: Social anxiety, EPHRA 2.0 or OF 2.0? - Benjamin - 04-07-2016
I'd say EPRHA 2.0. From what i'm reading it's doing alot of great stuff and alot more than version 1.
And it's most likely not JUST fear, but also guilt, shame, some trauma which EPRHA works on. Also social anxiety is NOT a genetic thing. I strongly reject any opinion that states that. Your mum had it early, well early on she had something in her experiences that contributed to it and she passed on that pattern to you through how she treated you and through your experiences. NOT genetically. You can't recall any troubling memories but something has contributed to it. It doesn't even have to be something hugely traumatic looking at it now, things effect you alot more as a kid and you take on everything as personal.
Quote:However I never had any anxious feeling in social situations before my 17th and I had a normal level of self esteem and confidence.
What happened around that time? And did that remind you of something from your childhood even if it doesn't seem incredibly intense or traumatic? That should help find a connection.
Other than that it's good to hear your results from EPRHA so far, sounds like you've made some big improvements. Hopefully 2.0 will help even more.
RE: Social anxiety, EPHRA 2.0 or OF 2.0? - Simon - 04-07-2016
Thanks for the input!
I also don't belief the idea that everything is fixed in your genetics when you come in to this life, and that you have to live with what you inherited.
But the thing is, my grandmother also has this, and my nephew and niece from my mothers side also have bad social anxiety (they can't function in society). So it seems likely that I inherited something which made it more likely for me to develop social phobia, which doesn't mean I had to develop it.
Nothing happened at that time I was 17, the social anxiety just gradually came to the surface, and at age 20 it was already developed into a phobia.
From age 16 I started smoking weed and at age 17 I already smoked weed everyday.
Everything was fine for a while, but around age 18, the first signs of anxiety and depression came to the surface. I was addicted to smoking weed and while I do had a break-up in that period with a girlfriend who wasn't so nice after all, I don't think anything major happened during that period.
I only have a handfull of childhood memories, all very vague with no feelings at all.
I have one question:
Why would someone choose OF 2.0? If OF 5G is in EPHRA + more stuff.
I mean if fear stems from early childhood, why did Shannon made OF 2.0?
EPHRA 2.0 would be the best solution for everyone with anxiety, if it's true what you say that fear has it's origins in childhood or later negative experiences. (Which I also believe, for the psychological part of fear)
Anyone else who can share his/her idea on the best sub for me at this moment?
Much appreciated
RE: Social anxiety, EPHRA 2.0 or OF 2.0? - ArcticFox - 04-07-2016
(04-07-2016, 06:43 AM)Simon Wrote: Thanks for the input!
I also don't belief the idea that everything is fixed in your genetics when you come in to this life, and that you have to live with what you inherited.
But the thing is, my grandmother also has this, and my nephew and niece from my mothers side also have bad social anxiety (they can't function in society). So it seems likely that I inherited something which made it more likely for me to develop social phobia, which doesn't mean I had to develop it.
Nothing happened at that time I was 17, the social anxiety just gradually came to the surface, and at age 20 it was already developed into a phobia.
From age 16 I started smoking weed and at age 17 I already smoked weed everyday.
Everything was fine for a while, but around age 18, the first signs of anxiety and depression came to the surface. I was addicted to smoking weed and while I do had a break-up in that period with a girlfriend who wasn't so nice after all, I don't think anything major happened during that period.
I only have a handfull of childhood memories, all very vague with no feelings at all.
I have one question:
Why would someone choose OF 2.0? If OF 5G is in EPHRA + more stuff.
I mean if fear stems from early childhood, why did Shannon made OF 2.0?
EPHRA 2.0 would be the best solution for everyone with anxiety, if it's true what you say that fear has it's origins in childhood or later negative experiences. (Which I also believe, for the psychological part of fear)
Anyone else who can share his/her idea on the best sub for me at this moment?
Much appreciated
Shannon explained this much better, but to put it simply:
OF within EPHRA is like a shotgun , will hit a broad range but wont penetrate really deep and focused.
OF on its own is like a super laser , very focused and will cut very deep.
My personal opinion would be to switch to EPRHA 2.0 - you will love the warm happy vibes!! Then switch to OF when you feel ready.
RE: Social anxiety, EPHRA 2.0 or OF 2.0? - chaosvrgn - 04-08-2016
Get on AM6.
Don't fap.
Don't look at porn.
For the love of all things, don't fap to porn. (Causes MAJOR social anxiety)
Start lifting or some other exercise (you'll see me recommending martial arts to everyone).
Watch the social anxiety melt away.
Man, I had social anxiety like you WOULDN'T BELIEVE going up. So crippling that I couldn't even go to restaurants because I was terrified of being judged. I'm not sure how I even managed to get girlfriends growing up, but I completely understand why they cheated and/or left me.
Round one of AM6 wiped out 65% of my social anxiety. Now in Stage 2 of my second run and I'd say about 80% is gone. Can just imagine what it'll be like when I finish. Not to mention the other positive aspects of my life.
I'm convinced that AM6 should be the first sub a man runs. Then, use E2 / OF / etc. to fine tune the results, steering your life in the direction you want it to go. For example, AM6 has helped me build a budding online empire. I just picked up 2 new clients this morning for digital marketing services. However, I find myself... scared of the prospect of financial success as an entrepreneur. Not sure where that's coming from, but I know BASE 5g has money deservedness in it, so that may be my next sub.
Start with AM6 (the complex full body workout) and supplement as needed with the other subs (isolation workouts).
RE: Social anxiety, EPHRA 2.0 or OF 2.0? - Spiritman - 04-08-2016
I would personally go with EPHRA 2.0 for three months then go with AM6. The reason I would chose EPRHA 2.0 over OF is for the sole reason that Shannon has put OF and OGSF in it as well. Not only that, OGSF has been heavily modified from the stand alone version to make it more powerful.
RE: Social anxiety, EPHRA 2.0 or OF 2.0? - Simon - 04-09-2016
Nice! Thanks for the input guys!
To chaosvgrn: I'm already doing nofap and exercising, but the results you have with AM6 seem very interesting!
I'm going for EPHRA 2.0 (3 to 6 months), after that OF 2.0 or AM6, we will see.
Does anyone know why I can't put any subs in my chart on subliminal-shop.com?
I can click on: "Add to chart". But when I view my chart it says it's empty...
I had the same problem yesterday..I wanted to buy EPHRA 2.0 and I tried to add it to my chart on multiple laptops, it didn't work...
I really want to make use of the limited price of EPHRA 2.0 (Shannon said he will most likely raise the price today)