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RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - fab10 - 04-24-2021
Double vote for OF3 then
Edit: @CatMan Thanks for lobbying for a new version of OF again, hopefully it will be a win-win like last time, or even better.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Ruffian - 04-24-2021
Actually, I may have already experienced TID from OF v3.
You might say I have a little problem with clutter... Anyhow, about a week or so ago, I was looking through some things (some highly emotionally-charged things.) And I just enjoyed the memories, and then, quite impartially, threw them out. Zero angst, zero doubt, zero fear. Very unusual.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Rossignol17 - 04-24-2021
(04-24-2021, 09:28 AM)Shannon Wrote:
I'm not sure why you would equate the Directional Reflection Shield with cancellation of caffeine. The issue here is almost certainly the module that causes your body to override chemically induced state shifting in order to put you in, and keep you in, the ideal state of awareness in which to achieve the goals of the program. I can't rebuild it without that. Your best bet is going to be to try waiting until an hour or two after you've had your morning coffee to play the program, instead of playing it at night.
Hi Shannon and thanks for your reply. I noticed that I have been feeling mentally and physically sluggish ever sine I started the USLM v4.2. It is not the same kind of tired that I got before from the subs. This is my first sub with a DRS. I did use USLM v4.2 briefly last year, but I had so much chaos going on in my life at the time, that it is hard for me to remember if I got sluggish from it, or if I was just going on adrenaline for a lot of that time. I looked at the DRS description page for clarification :
Recreational drug use, as well as drugs that are not typically thought of as being drugs (caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, etc.) will be affected and you may find they become significantly less enjoyable. This may also affect natural substances/supplements that shift state.
I don't smoke or drink very much, so I wasn't concerned with that. However, I am NOT a morning person and I do find coffee to be very helpful in the morning. I only drink 1 cup and I usually feel really good after that. This past week, I have been feeling like I am just drinking water instead of coffee. I have tried playing the sub at different times of the day and it has not made any difference. My gut feels different too, and I feel like I am not getting the usual amount of energy after taking my vitamins.
I know that you originally had planned to have the DRS be an add-on sub that one could use with another sub. If it is going to be included in all the new subs, I am not sure that I will want to use them. I really wish we had the option of using it strictly as an add-on. Maybe my system is more sensitive than others, but it's taking away from my normally great energy, and that is not how I want to feel.
I am going to re-run USLM v3 again. For me, it has been the absolute best sub I have ever used.
The tiredness you're feeling is the FRM at work and/or resistance against it (or resistance to any other part of the script). Until that's overcome, you'll be more tired. I'm experiencing it on Aura of Love, just like I did on LTU6. It will be there until it is overcome, and it's usually not that long (for me). When it stops, it's just suddenly gone.
I am also not a morning person, and a caffeine fan. Like Shannon said, it isn't the DRS, it's that the latest subs are much more effective, and you're more effectively executing the chemical intoxicant override module (a module that is also in the DRS stand alone, which is why that point is mentioned on the DRS sales page). I noticed my wife and I both drink more caffeine to get the same effect as before. I also need to drink a few more beers to get any sort of buzz from alcohol than I did before.
Anyway, please don't give up on USLM 4.2. You need to stick with it to get past what's making you tired.
Thanks for your reply RT. I enjoy reading your posts because you always have something interesting to say. Given that you have been using the subs which contain the DRS (with the chemical state shifting override module) and have experienced reduced effects from caffeine yourself, with the need to increase your caffeine intake, I feel that you are essentially corroborating my experience with the DRS in USLM v4.2. I have been both caffeinated and un-caffeinated during various periods of my life so I know the difference, and I know my body very well. The entire last week of using USLM v4.2 has to me felt like being un-caffeinated; so yes, I am executing the chemical state shifting override module very well. But now you and Shannon are saying that I am resisting the script. You can't have it both ways.
I have used USLM v3 with much success in the past, both while caffeinated AND un-caffeinated so I do not feel like caffeine affects my ability to manifest and attain my intentions. The whole idea that I would have to override caffeine to manifest something does not ring true to me. I also wonder if the chemical state shifting override module is affecting my ability to power my methylation cycle that I get from my B vitamins, which could affect my dopamine/noradrenaline/adrenaline/serotonin balance, which could also affect energy levels. That is not something I want. I have spent a lot of time finding the right supplements for me. I'm sure you already know that in nutrition there is no "one-size-fits-all". Maybe that goes for subs too. Maybe everyone does not need the chemical state shifting override module. Maybe everyone does not need the DRS.
I have already proven that I DO execute USLM and I have backed that claim up with photos of my successes, and I have shared my methods with you Shannon because you asked me to. I reported my successes. And I did this without a DRS. Now you are claiming I am "resisting". I am not going to lie about what the sub is doing or how I am feeling on it. I am not attacking you or your subs, I am just reporting honestly, so please don't think I am just trying to start an argument. Maybe everything does not boil down to "resisting".
In light of the fact that you have brought back some of the older tech subs, and given that I and many others here on the forum have have great success with USLM v3, maybe you could offer that to those who do not want the DRS in their sub. The bottom line for me is that I would like a choice whether or not to have the DRS, and I wish it was not automatically included in all the newer subs. I have already proven that I can execute the sub without it and I don't want it affecting my own bio-chemical processes that I have worked very hard to balance to what I consider optimal levels for me.
Once again... Directional Reflection Shield is a module, and the state shift override is a module. They have nothing to do with one another. Directional Reflection Shield is also a stand alone program, which has the state shift override active as a module. DRS isn't the issue here. You're not happy with the chemical state shift override module doing it's job.
That module is designed to keep you in the ideal state of awareness in which to achieve the program goals. If caffeine takes you out of that state, then your body will override the state shifting effects and put you back into the ideal state of awareness for achieving the goals of the program. It's the same for alcohol, nicotine, and any other drug that shifts your state of awareness. It doesn't affect anything but your state of awareness; the drug is still in your system doing its thing. If the only thing the drug does is shift your state of awareness, then the state shift override module will cancel out that drug to the best of its ability. Vitamins and nutrition won't be negatively affected, and neither will medications. The script is designed to shut down when it is a prescription medication doing the state shifting, so that the medication takes precedence and does what it's supposed to do.
I said that some of what you describe sounds like resistance. It is quite possible for you to be experiencing state shift override and resistance at the same time. I'm not saying you are resisting, I'm saying that some of what you decribed is suggestive of resistance.
If you don't like the effects of the state shift override module, then your best bet is to go back to USLM 3.0, because I am done building USLM for a long time. I have to move to other things. Other people simply compensate by ingesting enough of whatever drug they want to be affected by to override the state shift override, and I'm not hearing complaints about it otherwise. If a module designed to help you guys get better results from the programs is a problem, then with enough votes I'll be glad to remove it from the skeleton script in the future.
I'm not sure why it is running my reply together with the previous one.
Shannon, I agree with you that I am equating the DRS with the chemical state shifting override module, which is probably because I am assuming that the override module would not be in the sub unless the sub contained the DRS. I take issue with you saying that it is only affecting my "awareness". Your own description of the module clearly states :
Contains Chemical state shifting override. This attempts to forcibly override the state shifting effects of non-prescription chemicals that you have ingested which would otherwise cause your state of mind, BODY, and/or emotions to shift away from their optimal state for you to accomplish the goals of this program.
Yes, I can feel it affecting my body.....my heart rate slows down and my brain and reflexes are not as sharp. My endurance is lessened, exercise is harder, and I can fall asleep much, much earlier than usual.......all bio-chemical processes that ARE affected by caffeine and methylation. And I only drink 1 cup of coffee ! It's not just awareness. And the fact that RT (and probably others) CAN override the override module with extra caffeine and/or alcohol and still get results from the subs tells me that it doesn't have to be in there.
I get it....you are not interested in rebuilding USLM again. That is ok.......I will go back to using v3. But I would like to be able to try some of the newer subs, and I am asking you to consider making them WITHOUT the chemical state shifting module, or at least offer a choice. I am not interested in consuming excess coffee to override the module, as too much coffee can impact the kidneys. I like the balance I have currently achieved. My weight is perfect, I sleep great, I have tons of energy for whatever I want to do, and my mood is good. I have had great results manifesting with V3 so I will stay with what works for me. Again, kudos on v3............absolutely the BEST sub I have ever used.....from anyone.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - fab10 - 04-24-2021
Hey @Rossignol17 , give it some time and maybe drink one or two more cups. In my case the caffeine effect came back in a few days (I also rely on caffeine to function, especially in the morning.) If the models told Shannon that the chemical override module improves the overall effect of the sub, chances you’d throw out the baby with the bath water if that module is taken out. YMMV but I recommend that you give it a chance.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Rossignol17 - 04-24-2021
(04-24-2021, 02:08 PM)fab10 Wrote: Hey @Rossignol17 , give it some time and maybe drink one or two more cups. In my case the caffeine effect came back in a few days (I also rely on caffeine to function, especially in the morning.) If the models told Shannon that the chemical override module improves the overall effect of the sub, chances you’d throw out the baby with the bath water if that module is taken out. YMMV but I recommend that you give it a chance.
Hi Fab10 and thanks for your reply. I have already decided to go back on v3 and I am currently listening to it. Yes, it is 5 loops at an hour each but it is worth the extra listening time. I am looking for speakers or studio monitors to set up in my bedroom so I can listen while I sleep. I have a single speaker that I can plug into my mp3 player but I would like to try a set.......one on each side of the bed. I don't really like sleeping with headphones or earbuds. Any suggestions ? I am not sure how to set those up to play from an mp3 player but I am sure there is a way to do it. I don't like or use Bluetooth so I'm looking for something wired. I prefer no degradation of the audio file.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - fab10 - 04-24-2021
Back when I started, I bought decent wired computer speakers, connected them to the MP3 player and placed one on each side of my pillow. EZ. Or, use the internal speaker of a cell phone or tablet if the quality of said speaker is good enough. The latter won’t be stereo, it will lose some effectiveness but not much. Whatever you do, avoid wireless - it could work but it can also completely kill the sub, and there’s no way to find out.
Later, I upgraded to my iPad Pro - it has excellent stereo speakers that are far enough from each other to give actual stereo effect, no wires to deal with and I can take it with me if I have to get up, go to the bathroom or whatever (especially useful for long listening times, your five hours is not bad, some titles are 8 or 9 hours.)
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - b_woo - 04-26-2021
Interesting... About a week and a half ago I had decided to purchase Overcoming Fear V2 but for some reason I didn't buy it right then and there. Now I come online and couldn't seem to find it in the shop. I was very puzzled so I go hunting in here and sure enough looks like it is being upgraded!
So I will 100% be buying OFv3!
@Shannon when you say you will be making it this month... are you meaning we should see it before the end of April? Or do we have to wait till some time in May? Also I am about to start my last 4 days on of LTU-6 stage 7, will it be sweet to do the 4 on then have 4 off and then straight into OFv3? (That's if it is indeed ready in eight days). Or should I go for a bit more time off before hitting OFv3?
Cheers,
Ben.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Benjamin - 04-26-2021
It's best to have a week or two off to let it settle, especially after a 6 stage set.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Catman - 04-26-2021
Hi @Shannon. Since OF is now pulled from the store, that's a sign of it being made and released in the near future. Excellent!
That said, would you recommend those of us planning to run OF V3 to take a break from our programs and wait for it, even if it's OF V2? I've been on OF V1/2 for over 8 months now, just wondering if it's advisable to break or not for the next version.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 04-26-2021
(04-24-2021, 02:20 PM)Rossignol17 Wrote:(04-24-2021, 02:08 PM)fab10 Wrote: Hey @Rossignol17 , give it some time and maybe drink one or two more cups. In my case the caffeine effect came back in a few days (I also rely on caffeine to function, especially in the morning.) If the models told Shannon that the chemical override module improves the overall effect of the sub, chances you’d throw out the baby with the bath water if that module is taken out. YMMV but I recommend that you give it a chance.
Hi Fab10 and thanks for your reply. I have already decided to go back on v3 and I am currently listening to it. Yes, it is 5 loops at an hour each but it is worth the extra listening time. I am looking for speakers or studio monitors to set up in my bedroom so I can listen while I sleep. I have a single speaker that I can plug into my mp3 player but I would like to try a set.......one on each side of the bed. I don't really like sleeping with headphones or earbuds. Any suggestions ? I am not sure how to set those up to play from an mp3 player but I am sure there is a way to do it. I don't like or use Bluetooth so I'm looking for something wired. I prefer no degradation of the audio file.
Did you know that USLM v3 and v4.2 have the very same state shift override script in them?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 02:02 AM)b_woo Wrote: Interesting... About a week and a half ago I had decided to purchase Overcoming Fear V2 but for some reason I didn't buy it right then and there. Now I come online and couldn't seem to find it in the shop. I was very puzzled so I go hunting in here and sure enough looks like it is being upgraded!
So I will 100% be buying OFv3!
@Shannon when you say you will be making it this month... are you meaning we should see it before the end of April? Or do we have to wait till some time in May? Also I am about to start my last 4 days on of LTU-6 stage 7, will it be sweet to do the 4 on then have 4 off and then straight into OFv3? (That's if it is indeed ready in eight days). Or should I go for a bit more time off before hitting OFv3?
Cheers,
Ben.
I've decided that OF v3 is what you guys will most likely be happiest with me building, and there's been a considerable amount of support for it voiced, so it makes sense to build.
I'm going to start on OF v3 today, but I may not have time to finish it in April. So I'll be opening pre-orders for it today also. It shouldn't take me too terribly long to do, as long as figuring out the new script additions are a sane amount of time.
I don't know when OF v3 will be finished, between me adding more scripting, the scripting being extremely complex ideas, and the fact that I'm building in a new technology level. But as Ben points out, your subconscious does need a break every so often, and after a 6 stage set, 2 weeks off is strongly suggested a minimum time off.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Shannon - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 05:18 AM)CatMan Wrote: Hi @Shannon. Since OF is now pulled from the store, that's a sign of it being made and released in the near future. Excellent!
That said, would you recommend those of us planning to run OF V3 to take a break from our programs and wait for it, even if it's OF V2? I've been on OF V1/2 for over 8 months now, just wondering if it's advisable to break or not for the next version.
Do not take a break from OFv2 if that's what you're currently using. You clearly have not yet rooted out your core fears, and you don't want to let them regenerate at all while we prepare the solution.
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - Aventus45 - 04-26-2021
a 20 dollar discount in addition to the pandemic discount. definitely enticing. Assuming the general rules of manifestation, you wouldn't elaborate on the alternate future your you hinted at?
RE: Shannon's Journal Discussion Thread, Vol. 5 - 4Kingdoms - 04-26-2021
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Overcoming-Fear-v3-0-Pre-Orders-are-now-open?pid=244221#pid244221
Thank you Shannon!!
I just Pre-Ordered my copy!!