(09-15-2020, 07:39 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-14-2020, 11:19 PM)samba99 Wrote:

(09-14-2020, 08:40 PM)Broski Wrote: Hey Shannon,

Any rough ETA on DMSI 3.3.3 becoming available?

He probably can't accurately say so. Maybe the question should be. 

How far are you in DMSI at the moment Shannon? We know you have been working on it in round robin for a while before actually having the full time for it.

Relative to the whole job, not very far yet.  

Quote:At what stage are you in?

 

Grammar police are on their way!  Better run!  lol

I'm currently developing a specific module that will guide the whole program in important ways, which is going to have to be as close to perfect as possible, and thus will take a disproportionate amount of time to develop.

Quote:Did you achieve any of the major tasks? 

The first one is about half way finished.

Quote:Still upgrading the script to latest tech? 

Some upgrades are finished, some have yet to be implemented.

Quote:How are things looking so far (theoretically speaking)

It looks good, but it's far from finished.

(09-15-2020, 07:56 AM)THolt Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 07:39 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-14-2020, 11:19 PM)samba99 Wrote:

(09-14-2020, 08:40 PM)Broski Wrote: Hey Shannon,

Any rough ETA on DMSI 3.3.3 becoming available?

He probably can't accurately say so. Maybe the question should be. 

How far are you in DMSI at the moment Shannon? We know you have been working on it in round robin for a while before actually having the full time for it.

Relative to the whole job, not very far yet.  

Quote:At what stage are you in?

 

Grammar police are on their way!  Better run!  lol

I'm currently developing a specific module that will guide the whole program in important ways, which is going to have to be as close to perfect as possible, and thus will take a disproportionate amount of time to develop.

Quote:Did you achieve any of the major tasks? 

The first one is about half way finished.

Quote:Still upgrading the script to latest tech? 

Some upgrades are finished, some have yet to be implemented.

Quote:How are things looking so far (theoretically speaking)

It looks good, but it's far from finished.

Are you going to complete DMSI before you start releasing E4 and the other extraction programs?

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 02:41 PM)apollolux Wrote: Hm, I'm not sure how to feel about the conjecture about what's actually changing in DMSI. I just want DMSI to be useful and ultimately do the opposite of the stuff it did poorly. I did not listen to DMSI for years expecting the outcome to be women trying to use me for their own selfish purposes and claiming to love me as a manipulation tactic, promising sex only to leave me hanging, and I certainly did not listen to it for years expecting the belief that women would only be sexually attracted to me if I had money to be strengthened. Fix both of those.

The first point is, you may need to change your exctations.  DMSI is designed to cause you to develop maximum sexual irresistibility.  The result of that is that those you attract will want to have sex with you.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: Depending on various peripheral factors, they may wish to just have sex with you, including using you to satisfy the sexual urges you are triggering in them.  That is, in fact, a perfectly valid successful response.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: Claiming to love you as a manipulation tactic to get you to have sex with them is another successful response, although we don't want that, but if they did it to achieve sex with you in order to satisfy their sexual attraction and urges caused by the program, then it's a successful result of DMSI.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: Promising sex only to leave you hanging isn't DMSI, it's them.  They are internally conflicted, and choosing to be influenced by fear (or maybe wisdom, if they know something you don't) instead of desire.  This can also result from  displaying signs of desperation on your part.  Again, not DMSI.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: The belief that women would only be attracted to you if you had money strengthening is also not DMSI.  That is your choice based on your interpretation of your observation of results, as a result of using an experimental program in a constant state of flux as I figure out how to push the right buttons and what those buttons are.  Your interpretations of, and the resultant choice of beliefs resulting from, your experiences is not my responsibility or that of DMSI.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: As far as I can see, the only valid point we have here is that they tried to manipulate you to achieve sex.

Which version(s) did this happen with?

(09-15-2020, 10:31 AM)apollolux Wrote: Hey Shannon, thanks for the response. Would like to address things in order.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 02:41 PM)apollolux Wrote: Hm, I'm not sure how to feel about the conjecture about what's actually changing in DMSI. I just want DMSI to be useful and ultimately do the opposite of the stuff it did poorly. I did not listen to DMSI for years expecting the outcome to be women trying to use me for their own selfish purposes and claiming to love me as a manipulation tactic, promising sex only to leave me hanging, and I certainly did not listen to it for years expecting the belief that women would only be sexually attracted to me if I had money to be strengthened. Fix both of those.

The first point is, you may need to change your exctations.  DMSI is designed to cause you to develop maximum sexual irresistibility.  The result of that is that those you attract will want to have sex with you.

I am fully aware of the need to change my own expectations, and honestly thought DMSI was going to help with this, either by making it easier to accept different, preferably better, expectations and/or straight up providing the different expectations itself within its scripting.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: Depending on various peripheral factors, they may wish to just have sex with you, including using you to satisfy the sexual urges you are triggering in them.  That is, in fact, a perfectly valid successful response.

I understand this may be a valid and indeed successful response, but you seem to misunderstand what I said. This did NOT happen at all during these past years of listening to DMSI, and none of what these women were using me for was sex-related.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: Claiming to love you as a manipulation tactic to get you to have sex with them is another successful response, although we don't want that, but if they did it to achieve sex with you in order to satisfy their sexual attraction and urges caused by the program, then it's a successful result of DMSI.

The same misunderstanding as the previous line. They weren't claiming to love me in order for them to get sex, they were claiming to love me in attempts to stroke my ego, grease my emotional wheels so they could more easily get away with having me do menial tasks for them or give them money without providing me sex or other relevant compensation in return. Unfortunately for me, their tactics worked and I did their work for them and lent one money, under the clearly false assumption that they were operating in good faith.

I assure you I understand that the choice to do their work and lend money was mine and I theoretically could have chosen to not do that. My default response to a thing like that has been, and unfortunately still is to some degree, to beat myself up over it, over-blame myself for "falling for it," and ultimately be disappointed in myself for "not being better" or even simply for "not being good enough to 'see through it' and 'avoid' it." Whether it was desperation, assuming good faith, or otherwise feeling convinced or other reason, I know and acknowledge I chose incorrectly to believe them and do the things to my detriment.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: Promising sex only to leave you hanging isn't DMSI, it's them.  They are internally conflicted, and choosing to be influenced by fear (or maybe wisdom, if they know something you don't) instead of desire.  This can also result from  displaying signs of desperation on your part.  Again, not DMSI.

Tied to the misunderstanding in the previous lines. They weren't leaving me hanging after making promises due to some sort of internal conflict they may have had, I'm saying they straight up had no intentions to actually follow through with sex and love and made promises in bad faith. I acknowledge I chose incorrectly to believe they would have followed through on their promises and claims.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: The belief that women would only be attracted to you if you had money strengthening is also not DMSI.  That is your choice based on your interpretation of your observation of results, as a result of using an experimental program in a constant state of flux as I figure out how to push the right buttons and what those buttons are.  Your interpretations of, and the resultant choice of beliefs resulting from, your experiences is not my responsibility or that of DMSI.

I assure you I would love nothing more than to weaken and outright remove the belief that beautiful women would only be attracted to me sexually if I had money. Even just changing my subconscious focus to "being physically attractive" as the key to sexual attractiveness would be a better solution, and had approached DMSI with the hard goal of having a better belief than "being a provider" on which to base my own sexual attractiveness. Even just successfully promoting greater testosterone production would be enough for me at the moment. I would have to sift through the years of my journal to confirm better, but from recollection (whether due to a confirmation bias or not, I acknowledge there may exist some) the only times during the past few years of listening to DMSI any beautiful woman has even come close to "acting" upon any supposed sexual attraction to me was when money was involved and/or they wanted something from me that wasn't actually sexual.

My goal is to be acknowledged and accepted as the "lover" over as the "provider."

I do understand DMSI is experimental, Shannon. I want you to succeed at developing it and I really do want to help make it work more and make it work better, hence choosing to spend money for DMSI back during a time when I had extreme financial hardship. During the overwhelming majority of the time I was listening to it (all versions since I first paid for it) I had also been taking prescription anti-depressants as outlined in my DMSI journal, so from the simple fact that there was chemical influence involved in stunting my emotional range I did not originally feel that any consistent reporting of lack of design goal success would have been useful. That combined with being in the throes of major depression and a perception of regular dismissal of negative reporting of DMSI by others certainly did not help my motivation to be a more active reporter here.

(09-14-2020, 09:25 AM)Shannon Wrote: As far as I can see, the only valid point we have here is that they tried to manipulate you to achieve sex.

Which version(s) did this happen with?

To sum up, this did not happen. If I had written syntactically ambiguous in my original post then I apologize for not being more clear about what happened.

My personal journal says I started DMSI 3.3.2 on 2019-11-24 (though I'm unsure why I didn't explicitly mark that in my journal here), and the manipulation by women became more blatant after that. I understand correlation does not equal causation, so for now I've been choosing to interpret the timing as coincidental, especially since so many other things happened, many of them I had documented in my public DMSI journal here.

I understand and have always understood that DMSI is a set of instructions and likely mentally (emotionally?) reinforcing affirmations, and that it is my choice how to consciously act or not act. I just want DMSI to be the best quality instructions they can be for developing maximal sexual irresistibility and attractiveness, and I would strongly prefer those instructions focus on promoting being a better lover rather than better provider if I had to choose between those.

I look forward to continued progress with DMSI.

(09-15-2020, 01:47 PM)Shannon Wrote: With regards to the latter, it is noted that female shit testing may be getting in the way of success for some of you.  I'll have to think about how to deal with that.

(09-15-2020, 02:51 PM)lano1106 Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 01:47 PM)Shannon Wrote: With regards to the latter, it is noted that female shit testing may be getting in the way of success for some of you.  I'll have to think about how to deal with that.

If shit testing is an issue, wouldn't running AM6 program be a better solution by the people having this specific issue rather than transforming DMSI into a 8 slots smart toaster with an AM/FM radio and an integrated LCD touchscreen to browse remote weather forecasts?

(09-15-2020, 02:51 PM)lano1106 Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 01:47 PM)Shannon Wrote: With regards to the latter, it is noted that female shit testing may be getting in the way of success for some of you.  I'll have to think about how to deal with that.

If shit testing is an issue, wouldn't running AM6 program be a better solution by the people having this specific issue rather than transforming DMSI into a 8 slots smart toaster with an AM/FM radio and an integrated LCD touchscreen to browse remote weather forecasts?

(09-15-2020, 05:55 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: @Shannon - Procrastination Epiphany - may be helpful for UMOP etc

Hi Shannon

Around a year or so ago, you once said something that only today has clicked for me and the truth of it made total sense.

I explained how I would put things off to the very very last moment. Consciously im eager to work im ambitious wanting to get things done (perhaps high expectations of my own abilities - it all feels real and possible for me) but the action fails me until that very last moment.

You said I think that this was fear but also that the reason I take action at the end is because I have no where to run to and that there is no way to put that task off. The day time I know I can delay and delay and then there is no delay left for me, no where to turn and I take action.

How true you are!

Today I have been putting off some important work. I had the whole day to do it but I allowed time to expand to fill up the day time. Meal times became longer, watching 1 episode of a tv show became 2 or 3. Hell I even washed dishes and tidied up when normally I probably wouldnt.

I felt and this may all be vital for the subs, but I felt that I HAD time, lots of time and that I could do it a second later, 1 minute later or just simply later because I had time but also had the confidence in myself to do the task when it came to doing it.

I also understood that when I finally came to doing the said task, I put music on, and voila got into the flow state, got into the zone.
I was also whilst doing the task setting myself arbitrary milestones or checkpoint that I wanted to reach before I took a break. So if I had 100 points to say copy I set myself the goal of doing 50 and trying to stick to it. This showed me that when it came to doing the action and I had no choice to do it, that my mind enabled me to find reasons to do it somewhat more easily or a little less painfully without thinking that I I was TOO overwhelmed, that I had too much to do.

The flow state was 100% flow, there were lapses at times when i wanted to stop but the milestone that I said I should reach before I took a break pushed me along.

This brings me to the next realisation that I realised that im always eager to do tasks for my betterment. Be it take vitamins or study or exercise but the actual procrastination now ive realised today and admitted stems from boredom and hard work and time. The latter being that it takes TOO long to do.

Without realising it, when I actually come to doing the said task, I was feeling either that the task is boring, or hard, difficult or that it does or would take up too much time or somewhere along this line. I didnt realise this as I guess somehow my emotions or thoughts or feelings are dumbed down, im kinda apathetic/unaware/desensitised to them if that somehow makes sense, im less aware of them and so even though that record is playing im totally oblivious to it yet its what is controlling me and today I realised that the motivation to work and excel, to become a goal achiever, a peak performer is there but when its time to take the said action a complete 180 flip is done and the B side of that record starts to play.

Somehow this is why I seem to be procrastinating and whats clear is that the flow state that I enter and did enter is not due to anything but my mind.

I cannot over ride this, I havent ever been able to over ride this and im hoping all of this helps you but also its my way of saying thanks for revealing to me a year or 2 ago what I see now. That I myself spend the day avoiding the task to reach a point where I am backed into a corner and thats when I take action and when I do take that action then its my mind putting me into the zone so that I can get out of that corner.

How or why I am this way I have absolutely no idea at all and no idea if you have any thoughts or theories on this but I sincerely hope this helps in some minor way.

Thanks man!

(09-15-2020, 02:28 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: Shannon I Know this is down the road a ways..... but I'd love to see a whole line  or at least 3 titles that relate to  1)romance/dating  2),attracting a life mate, 3) making/helping/keeping the relationship working/functioning/healthy/communicative vibrant  -  if need be I'll re-post this in the suggestion box.... I have this faulty Idea that relationships dont work out..... so why bother? Im usually not like that but when it comes to intimate relationships  dang its a Bitch. Trust is abouve all else and thats where the rub is,more like a rash. NOT trusting when it goes that deep. the problem of 'dragging the past into the future and projecting those long ago,last experiences on to the present.
 A  sticky wicket,mate( British' accent optional, imma "Merican)
Something deeply is going on with OF  2 months  and some change into it...now....as I've shared two posts today,which 'normally' I would never do this being one of them I guess its time to open up more,or even further.' I know part of the abouve renderings are  fear based stuff but not all.

PS:   I Have a long time friend of mine a good "Daddy Bear of sort" with a long grey beard and he recently met the love of  his life,he's 68 yrs of age and his Beloved one,is lover Man is 56 , they boh have thee same birthday Nov.22nd and are incredibly compatible... no bull ,they really are and that on so many levels,it amazes me. showing that its not top late for Me either,at 62....even though oft times I feel it is...I too know this can change. I saw this today online....
Here is another example of such,this Man is 57... and his Man....56....
" I have found my lifetime partner
After not being the settling down kind, I am now settling down. We both were not even really looking and it happened. Love has found it's way into our lives. So there is always a chance for everybody.
NEVER SAY NEVER!!!"  so there is hope for me and men like me,what ever the age.....

(09-15-2020, 02:51 PM)lano1106 Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 01:47 PM)Shannon Wrote: With regards to the latter, it is noted that female shit testing may be getting in the way of success for some of you.  I'll have to think about how to deal with that.

If shit testing is an issue, wouldn't running AM6 program be a better solution by the people having this specific issue rather than transforming DMSI into a 8 slots smart toaster with an AM/FM radio and an integrated LCD touchscreen to browse remote weather forecasts?

(09-16-2020, 08:44 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 02:28 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: Shannon I Know this is down the road a ways..... but I'd love to see a whole line  or at least 3 titles that relate to  1)romance/dating  2),attracting a life mate, 3) making/helping/keeping the relationship working/functioning/healthy/communicative vibrant  -  if need be I'll re-post this in the suggestion box.... I have this faulty Idea that relationships dont work out..... so why bother? Im usually not like that but when it comes to intimate relationships  dang its a Bitch. Trust is abouve all else and thats where the rub is,more like a rash. NOT trusting when it goes that deep. the problem of 'dragging the past into the future and projecting those long ago,last experiences on to the present.
 A  sticky wicket,mate( British' accent optional, imma "Merican)
Something deeply is going on with OF  2 months  and some change into it...now....as I've shared two posts today,which 'normally' I would never do this being one of them I guess its time to open up more,or even further.' I know part of the abouve renderings are  fear based stuff but not all.

PS:   I Have a long time friend of mine a good "Daddy Bear of sort" with a long grey beard and he recently met the love of  his life,he's 68 yrs of age and his Beloved one,is lover Man is 56 , they boh have thee same birthday Nov.22nd and are incredibly compatible... no bull ,they really are and that on so many levels,it amazes me. showing that its not top late for Me either,at 62....even though oft times I feel it is...I too know this can change. I saw this today online....
Here is another example of such,this Man is 57... and his Man....56....
" I have found my lifetime partner
After not being the settling down kind, I am now settling down. We both were not even really looking and it happened. Love has found it's way into our lives. So there is always a chance for everybody.
NEVER SAY NEVER!!!"  so there is hope for me and men like me,what ever the age.....

At the bottom of the ocean, there is a lot of sand.  When you blow away some of that sand, you find things that have been buried.  Sometimes, you find shipwrecks and skeletons.  Sometimes you find treasure, but it's locked in a chest.

Recognizing the issues is a BIG step toward accomplishing your goals.  Maybe there are shipwrecks and skeletons, but that doesn't mean they have to always be the result.  And someone somewhere has the key to that treasure chest.

There is someone for everyone.  You have to let yourself find them.  Of course I'm preaching to the choir with all this.  And you know those programs are coming, sooner or later.  Let me tell you something, though.  Running OF is going to make finding your deep connection vastly easier.  In fact, if you run it for long enough, it may all by itself, clear away what's in the way.  

Have you ever felt the connection you want?  Maybe it would be helpful to try exploring what it feels like?  That would set up the right state for creating the right affinities.  And that can't hurt while you wait.  : But what do you want most?  Only you can answer that.