What about AM as multiple single stage subliminal programs? I think AM6 is too much for a lot of people to deal with. Could it be beneficial to do the growth in layers for future versions instead of unbalancing and rebalancing?

Edit: Or alternatively are you going to figure out why I needed SR to unlock AM inside of me?

(01-29-2016, 04:11 PM)ffaux Wrote: What about AM as multiple single stage subliminal programs? I think AM6 is too much for a lot of people to deal with. Could it be beneficial to do the growth in layers for future versions instead of unbalancing and rebalancing?

This is why you do OF or EPHRA or ASC first for 6 months.

I would like to give an opinion about AM 6G but I haven't yet bought and run AM6 yet to know how it would affect me. Is EHPRA+ASC+reading AM materials like Alexander's book, Models, and Unchained Man: Alpha Male 2.0 enough for a reasonable approximation until that point in order to opine about the future of the AM subliminal series?

I'm thinking of purchasing Models tomorrow, it sounds like an incredible read, and along the lines of Shannon's vision for the "transcendent alpha".

I highly recommend Models, CatMan. I realized all kinds of stuff I apparently was deluding myself about before, especially regarding being authentic and having certain intents.

1) Shannon what about the idea to create a level 2 AM? Or a different version.
Even if the name is not AM. I understand that the main program need to be focused but there could be another version slightly different for experienced user or long term user.

2) Or maybe create a WM version more like AM, with 50%AM 50%WM. The main objective here is to remove the unbalancing in that version.

Maybe I'm asking too much anyway. And obviously this could take a lot of time on your part.

3) Did you consider the idea about the stage 5 from AM6? Will it require a lot of works to remove the unbalancing and make it a long term programming subliminal. Or is that impossible due to some restrictions that I'm not aware of.

(01-29-2016, 10:35 PM)Alpha360 Wrote: 1) Shannon what about the idea to create a level 2 AM? Or a different version.
Even if the name is not AM. I understand that the main program need to be focused but there could be another version slightly different for experienced user or long term user.

2) Or maybe create a WM version more like AM, with 50%AM 50%WM. The main objective here is to remove the unbalancing in that version.

Maybe I'm asking too much anyway. And obviously this could take a lot of time on your part.

3) Did you consider the idea about the stage 5 from AM6? Will it require a lot of works to remove the unbalancing and make it a long term programming subliminal. Or is that impossible due to some restrictions that I'm not aware of.

Let's just Keep the idea of a simplified AM7 and the add ons plus more dealing with socialization will go into Rennisance Man or AM pt 2.

(01-29-2016, 01:38 PM)Shannon Wrote: Dzmoo, if the first three stages were shit for you, they did something good for your life because they would only have been shot because you were dealing with stuff that was needing to be dealt with, which is frequently not a fun thing to deal with. That's partly why I created the program.

But I never said I was going to remove socializing. I said the focus would be on AM only. Which is to say, whatever leads to becoming an alpha, is what it would focus on. Some aspects of socializing need to be dealt with, but I want it to be a natural outgrowth of the focus of the program, not an effort going from the outside in.

i know this just wondering why it had to be like this


why cant you leave atleast a little bit about women in it, leave atleast aura of sexiness, and biatbw, biatbws in it

PS: Why you just cant let us decide again from your pool of suggestions like you always did

(01-29-2016, 04:11 PM)ffaux Wrote: What about AM as multiple single stage subliminal programs? I think AM6 is too much for a lot of people to deal with. Could it be beneficial to do the growth in layers for future versions instead of unbalancing and rebalancing?

Edit: Or alternatively are you going to figure out why I needed SR to unlock AM inside of me?

thats what i said i feel stressed too on am and agitated only when i am drunk and calm the real alpha comes through thats what am7 should have fixed


maybe shanon built am6 too push some poeple to not procrastinate and take action but for some it might be too much

(01-29-2016, 04:56 PM)Hercules Wrote:

(01-29-2016, 04:11 PM)ffaux Wrote: What about AM as multiple single stage subliminal programs? I think AM6 is too much for a lot of people to deal with. Could it be beneficial to do the growth in layers for future versions instead of unbalancing and rebalancing?

This is why you do OF or EPHRA or ASC first for 6 months.

who says this? how many fucking subliminals do we need to run before we can get started?

please dont make it more complicated as it is as far as i know you had problems to stay on one single stage for weeks and switched several times

dont preach what you dont do by yourself


if it is necessarly to run of, ephra and asc before am than the is no point in having theses things in am6 because thats the idea of multistages you guys seem to not get, that you run multistages and dont have to run every single stage out there

instead of wasting your time of 6 months ephra, 6 months of and 6 months asc you could do 3 runs of am6

but i am more and more starting to believe that not everyone can be alpha even with shanons subs, you will always find something else to run with the excuse that you are building your foundation for am6... am6 is already several time smoother and technically better than am5 so what do you want?

it seems for me you want change but you only want it if its given to you

Shannon if you have to expand the 6stager into a 7 or 8 stages I'll be fine with it.
Keep it purely super alpha and please keep the AOS and Biatbw and SR.
On this version, please amplify the assertiveness the most that you can. Bc am6 was really under performing there, the 7th stage was when I happiest and confident and actually assertive. And was the most "alpha". And this was my second run.

(01-29-2016, 11:57 PM)Dzemoo Wrote:

(01-29-2016, 01:38 PM)Shannon Wrote: Dzmoo, if the first three stages were shit for you, they did something good for your life because they would only have been shot because you were dealing with stuff that was needing to be dealt with, which is frequently not a fun thing to deal with. That's partly why I created the program.

But I never said I was going to remove socializing. I said the focus would be on AM only. Which is to say, whatever leads to becoming an alpha, is what it would focus on. Some aspects of socializing need to be dealt with, but I want it to be a natural outgrowth of the focus of the program, not an effort going from the outside in.

i know this just wondering why it had to be like this


why cant you leave atleast a little bit about women in it, leave atleast aura of sexiness, and biatbw, biatbws in it

PS: Why you just cant let us decide again from your pool of suggestions like you always did

(01-29-2016, 04:11 PM)ffaux Wrote: What about AM as multiple single stage subliminal programs? I think AM6 is too much for a lot of people to deal with. Could it be beneficial to do the growth in layers for future versions instead of unbalancing and rebalancing?

Edit: Or alternatively are you going to figure out why I needed SR to unlock AM inside of me?

thats what i said i feel stressed too on am and agitated only when i am drunk and calm the real alpha comes through thats what am7 should have fixed


maybe shanon built am6 too push some poeple to not procrastinate and take action but for some it might be too much

(01-29-2016, 04:56 PM)Hercules Wrote:

(01-29-2016, 04:11 PM)ffaux Wrote: What about AM as multiple single stage subliminal programs? I think AM6 is too much for a lot of people to deal with. Could it be beneficial to do the growth in layers for future versions instead of unbalancing and rebalancing?

This is why you do OF or EPHRA or ASC first for 6 months.

who says this? how many ***** subliminals do we need to run before we can get started?

please dont make it more complicated as it is as far as i know you had problems to stay on one single stage for weeks and switched several times

dont preach what you dont do by yourself


if it is necessarly to run of, ephra and asc before am than the is no point in having theses things in am6 because thats the idea of multistages you guys seem to not get, that you run multistages and dont have to run every single stage out there

instead of wasting your time of 6 months ephra, 6 months of and 6 months asc you could do 3 runs of am6

but i am more and more starting to believe that not everyone can be alpha even with shanons subs, you will always find something else to run with the excuse that you are building your foundation for am6... am6 is already several time smoother and technically better than am5 so what do you want?

it seems for me you want change but you only want it if its given to you

Only switched one time bruh????????? ASC 40 days>EPHRA currently 88 days approx.

And you have to clear the way first and build a strong foundation before AM as seen with evidence on the thread. Reading all your journals gives me IRREFUTABLE evidence that that needs to be done. Unless you are using lite subs like AOS you have to clear the way. I've only switched my plans several times, actually 4 times because the first time I realized I didn't truly want to make women my main goal, seccond time I realized BASE was not in my budget, third time because I thought EPHRA 2.0 was coming out last year and the fourth time was because from extensive studies I realized fear is the root of all my problems. I don't want to end up like Catman with a failed 6 stager run due to fear or become an ass like Ryan. It's true I want change and somewhat afraid of it, that's why I don't run AM6 because I have a high possibility of getting lackluster results. Patience is the key to becoming alpha, that is why I don't support Sub hopping after short periods. In my case EPHRA is not getting to the real issues and Geodudes run of OF shows me what the real problem is so I'm going to run OGSF for a long time to get to the real problem and heal it.

(01-29-2016, 11:57 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: instead of wasting your time of 6 months ephra, 6 months of and 6 months asc you could do 3 runs of am6

but i am more and more starting to believe that not everyone can be alpha even with shanons subs, you will always find something else to run with the excuse that you are building your foundation for am6... am6 is already several time smoother and technically better than am5 so what do you want?

it seems for me you want change but you only want it if its given to you

That is exactly what I think too. Only the extreme cases would need to run another sub first.
AM6 stage 1 is meant as a foundation already. And 3 AM6 run would be much better than 6 month ephra , 6 month OF, AM6.

(01-30-2016, 01:51 AM)Alpha360 Wrote:

(01-29-2016, 11:57 PM)Dzemoo Wrote: instead of wasting your time of 6 months ephra, 6 months of and 6 months asc you could do 3 runs of am6

but i am more and more starting to believe that not everyone can be alpha even with shanons subs, you will always find something else to run with the excuse that you are building your foundation for am6... am6 is already several time smoother and technically better than am5 so what do you want?

it seems for me you want change but you only want it if its given to you

That is exactly what I think too. Only the extreme cases would need to run another sub first.
AM6 stage 1 is meant as a foundation already. And 3 AM6 run would be much better than 6 month ephra , 6 month OF, AM6.

The word OR not AND was used

(01-29-2016, 04:49 PM)FrostedFake Wrote: Maybe you could create the new AM as a single stage, but that only uses certain parts of the program tailored to the person's needs at that time. Or one where you listen to it for 6 months and during the first month it only activates a certain part of the program and then during another month it activates another part etc. Basically a six stage set but in one stage, maybe this could be achieved in 6g with limiters?

Something like "If I have been listening to this subliminal for 1 month's time I now..." then the rest of the statement and then maybe a limiter so that it stops when the next month hits.

(02-06-2014, 02:36 PM)Shannon Wrote: These programs are six stages for a reason. If you consider all the possible combinations of where a guy could start from, it takes a lot to get everyone moving forward. Some guys have more experience, some guys have more fear, or guilt, or shame, some guys have more resistance, some guys have opportunity by virtue of their personality or lifestyle...

A friend of mine who has been using SM3 and is now on stage 5 tells me that he has managed to manifest a lover who will do ANYTHING to please him, and gives him sex whenever he wants it, no questions asked, even though he refuses to accept her as his girlfriend. At the same time, he has twice now managed to pull in a second woman at the same time with whom he has had sex, with all parties aware of each other, and he reports even managing to sex three different women in a day once, and two in a day more than a dozen times. He attributes 90% of this to the program, because before he started using it, he said he had no interest from ladies for over a year.

It always amuses me that no matter what the title, the people who are most successful with my programs rarely will talk about it, and the ones who struggle the most are usually the ones who show up and journal the hell out of their struggle. :-) Keep going. You're not done with your run-through yet. You can't judge what the program has done until you have finished and taken some time to rest.

And if you don't get where you're going the first time, remember that it took even me a few runs of AM and a couple runs of SM to get where I am happy. The changes you're making are huge. Be patient. Not everyone gets there at the same rate.

This should answer your question.

(01-29-2016, 04:11 PM)ffaux Wrote: What about AM as multiple single stage subliminal programs? I think AM6 is too much for a lot of people to deal with. Could it be beneficial to do the growth in layers for future versions instead of unbalancing and rebalancing?

Edit: Or alternatively are you going to figure out why I needed SR to unlock AM inside of me?

What is a multi stage program, but multiple single stage programs designed to be used in a specific combination to achieve an advanced, complex and challenging goal?

AM6 is perhaps a seriously challenging program, but it is intended to be and it needs to be, given what the technology level was when it was built and what it is trying to do. Just like going through US Marine boot camp, those who really want the goal will make it to the goal, and the rest will find some way to fail.

Unbalancing and re-balancing is a natural consequence of focus shifting - that is, working on each set of things that need to be advanced for the next stage to be done. I didn't do that as fun, it's necessary.

Now as to whether it will be necessary in 6G, I don't know. Might be able to adjust that, but as far as I know right now, it's still necessary.

Remind me what you're referring to with "SR"?