Why don't you take the argument to PM or something instead of taking up room in Shannon's thread with bs. Most of us don't want to have to wade through all that arguing. This is the kind of thing that pushes people away from the forum, atleast do it in your own thread if you have to.

(07-12-2018, 01:26 PM)Have at ye Wrote: My vote would go to US/LM, as I've used this 4g combo in the past with success. I'm really excited at the prospect what this would bring about with the addition of 5.5/almost-6g tech.

Also LM itself is making me all kinds of giddy. Never underestimate the power of probability manipulation!

I guess Shannon's going to use his models to see which would perform better/sell better and then go with that option, though. Or perhaps both, who knows.

Agreed I loved this 4g combo and i'm salivating at the thought of this sub in 6g.

(07-12-2018, 04:15 PM)jonathan4all Wrote:

(07-12-2018, 03:21 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: As long as Procrastination and the fear associated with this and with doing things until the very last minute are dealt with, then im open to all and any sub suggestions.

Procrastination kills more human potentiality than two world wars

From what someone told me there is a new book published on Procrastination every few days which just tells you how much of a problem this is.

DMSI deals with Procrastination well it helped me.

Guys,

It is hard to get a black and white answer. I had sex three times this week which theoretically means I depleted my sexual energy. Since sexual energy fuels the aura does this mean I have reduced the intensity of my aura ?. Shannon\Ben would be keen to hear what you have to say ?

Ben apologises for the ramblings on this thread I just felt so strongly about a particular topic I felt I just had to voice my opinions.

So Shannon, I was stonewalling hardcore and with the learning approach I’ve developed with MLS i was able to frame it as a chance to learn - and what I came up with was that I couldn’t accept that if I’m not smart then I won’t be good enough for the world and I won’t be acceptable or competent. I also found that I couldn’t accept the possibility that no one will like me, people will try to hurt me, and failure is possible.


It was acceptance (and the experiencing of a deep grief) over these possibilities which seemed to move me forward and open me up to the counter possibilities, allowing me to re engage with the sub. At least I think that’s what happened - is this something intended? I don’t get all the psychological underpinnings of this but could you illucidate what that’s all about please? Does it boil down to what you resist persists or is there something more?

Thank ye muchly

(07-12-2018, 06:08 PM)Rocket13 Wrote:

(07-12-2018, 01:26 PM)Have at ye Wrote: My vote would go to US/LM, as I've used this 4g combo in the past with success. I'm really excited at the prospect what this would bring about with the addition of 5.5/almost-6g tech.

Also LM itself is making me all kinds of giddy. Never underestimate the power of probability manipulation!

I guess Shannon's going to use his models to see which would perform better/sell better and then go with that option, though. Or perhaps both, who knows.

Agreed I loved this 4g combo and i'm salivating at the thought of this sub in 6g.

It will be interesting to say the least. I haven’t used LM or US so I am looking forward to using this program.

@Shannon What are the things you are thinking of adding on to DMSI 3.3? Thanks

Hi Shannon, just want to find out alpha male v6, is 5g and dmsi is 5.5g, i bought dmsi to help with attraction from women but even on 7 loops of 3.2b they dont even glance in my direction when only metres away.

Would a 5g alpha male work better for me or would i be best waiting for the next version of alpha male and hope that 3.3 dmsi will help get past any subconscious resistance stopping the attraction from happening.

I cant tell if its resistance stopping the script from executing since cant feel any different after many months, so would i have the same troubles with alpha male if the technology in dmsi is a lot stronger?

Today is a good example at the gym 2 very attractive women, one i have spoken to a couple times briefly the other yet to speak with but had the opportunity today when a spare machine was available next to her instead i just walked past and left instead of spending a few minutes on the machine making conversation. The other one i was thinking of going over and saying hi even though had headphones in but still chose not to. Neither of them looked in my direction or noticed i was there.

These are 2 women if could get the sniper part to work would be ones i would want it to work on but so far nothing, so not sure what is best whether to try alpha male the version out now which is meant to help with having a lot of confidence to be able to act on those thoughts without hesitating but dmsi is meant to also have that in it too with the self esteem and self confidence.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

thanks.

Quote:Guys,

It is hard to get a black and white answer. I had sex three times this week which theoretically means I depleted my sexual energy. Since sexual energy fuels the aura does this mean I have reduced the intensity of my aura ?. Shannon\Ben would be keen to hear what you have to say ?

That would be best for Shannon to answer, but here's where I find it a strange way of thinking. The goal of it is to have sex, and you're like 'I had sex, so will it stop me from getting sex'

I'm laughing because i've had weird thoughts like this myself in the past, sometimes when i've been sleeping with 1 girl I lose motivation to talk to othe girls and i'm like "If i'm having sex i'm losing motivation to have sex".

Sounds funny, it's only really an issue if i've slept with someone not that good that I don't really want to.

Quote:Ben apologises for the ramblings on this thread I just felt so strongly about a particular topic I felt I just had to voice my opinions.

All good.

(07-09-2018, 12:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote:

(07-09-2018, 12:01 PM)Shannon Wrote: @sarge You mean there's no other explanation that you can see or bring yourself to believe. Black and white thinking. "There are always reasons and options that are not obvious. Therefore, never make snap judgements."

If I get results immediately after using pua, it’s pretty obvious.

I don't know whether you will be open to know the truth or not, because you seem to reject most everything that points to the truth (surely unintentionally), but I'll try to point at it in some other way. Maybe you can start accepting these facts that you can't seem to see so far, but others who are aware of them, can see these from the way you talk.

PUA has worked for you because of bypassing the need for you to change your negative beliefs about yourself. You might have, but you won't find natural attraction, until those layers of negative beliefs about yourself (as a man) are (at least partly) cleared. When natural attraction does happen to you, you don't see it and therefore you can't use it to challenge your existing mindset.

This is a diagram to explain this:

You
---------- Negative faith about yourself
Women

In this situation above, you are doing nothing, and nothing seems to happen. You see no attraction whatsoever. What you can't see is the barrier that is blocking the possibility of any attraction.

Natural seduction happens like this:

You
| -------- Natural connection, and rest of mindset that isn't preventing you from it now
Women

With PUA you are doing this:

You --- \ Unnatural connection (but partly natural as well) forced, via unnatural tricks
-------- # to bypass your negative mindset about yourself, which is reinforced by
Women / this kind of actions


The thing that you cannot see is the --------- barrier, the one that prevents you from having and seeing natural attraction with women, where you literally have to do nothing to find that attraction. You need to question and challenge the mindset you keep about yourself that you normally cannot see it. It's faith that you have about you not being attractive to women all on your own, without having to do any actions; and who knows which other kind of negative layers, such as shame, guilt, sex not being okay, sexuality doesn't just "happen"...

If you think logically, you will be able to easily admit that you believe things like "I am not attractive to women just by myself". Correct? Well, those are the kind of beliefs that conform that barrier. "Women don't want me" is a big one for you, it seems, because you mentioned that it hurts... removing this particular belief, and clearing the emotions of that pain, will do wonders for you (my guess, knowing how these things work).

That ------ barrier is in your ego, and as such it doesn't want to be seen, because it's the way you believe yourself to be, and it doesn't want to change because your ego believes that mindset itself is you. Until you start clearing that barrier, you most probably will never notice any natural attraction between you and women. Even if it happens, you won't admit it. Remember, your ego holds that barrier and doesn't want it to change. It must be you deciding to clear it what can set you free.

I wish that helps clarify this to you. When you look at these diagrams, you will know exactly what you should change in order to have what you really want (natural attraction): dig holes on that f***king mental wall.

Sarge is running DMSI for years though...Isn't the program supposed to clear barriers, resistance and such?
Meh in one hand I understand Sarge, PUA seem to have worked for him, PUA being a hack or not, he gave him some results. Would you rather sit down doing nothing waiting for DMSI to "clear" the barrier or do any shit you can to help with it?
Most people running DMSI for such a long time still find themselves in the same emotional and restrictive state.

That's the issue with taking the path of "healing". Feeling that you aren't ready until you heal. With that mentality, you're going to wait all your lifetime.

(07-14-2018, 03:05 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: Sarge is running DMSI for years though...Isn't the program supposed to clear barriers, resistance and such?
Meh in one hand I understand Sarge, PUA seem to have worked for him, PUA being a hack or not, he gave him some results. Would you rather sit down doing nothing waiting for DMSI to "clear" the barrier or do any shit you can to help with it?
Most people running DMSI for such a long time still find them in that same emotional and restrictive state.

That's the issue with taking the path of "healing". Feeling that you aren't ready until you heal. With that mentality, you're going to wait all your lifetime.

Edit: the following advice isn't good for those who are using DMSI or any other experimental programs. Shannon is making these programs complete, with all that you can need for the achievement of the goals. Interfering with the program would make your feedback to Shannon useless, invalidating you as a test user. I'm not using DMSI nor any other test program, by the way.

Shannon says to not try to clear things on our own (or at least not with any mind programming, or mind altering, no EFT tapping...), and let the sub do it, to not interfere. But I never follow that advice for long, because to me it's more important to become free, successful, and have what I want, than to wait and see how the subliminal solves it all subconsciously. I can't wait that long, I am committed to myself and my life.

(07-13-2018, 09:06 PM)Benjamin Wrote:

Quote:Guys,

It is hard to get a black and white answer. I had sex three times this week which theoretically means I depleted my sexual energy. Since sexual energy fuels the aura does this mean I have reduced the intensity of my aura ?. Shannon\Ben would be keen to hear what you have to say ?

That would be best for Shannon to answer, but here's where I find it a strange way of thinking. The goal of it is to have sex, and you're like 'I had sex, so will it stop me from getting sex'

I'm laughing because i've had weird thoughts like this myself in the past, sometimes when i've been sleeping with 1 girl I lose motivation to talk to othe girls and i'm like "If i'm having sex i'm losing motivation to have sex".

Sounds funny, it's only really an issue if i've slept with someone not that good that I don't really want to.

Quote:Ben apologises for the ramblings on this thread I just felt so strongly about a particular topic I felt I just had to voice my opinions.

All good.

Exactly and this thing about depleting your sexual energy when you have sex its strange. According to what I have read if you do no ejaculate during sex eventually the body "absorbs what it does not use". Either way it seems you loose sexual energy anyway.

(07-14-2018, 02:27 AM)Morgul Wrote: With PUA you are doing this:

You --- \ Unnatural connection (but partly natural as well) forced, via unnatural tricks
-------- # to bypass your negative mindset about yourself, which is reinforced by
Women / this kind of actions


The thing that you cannot see is the --------- barrier, the one that prevents you from having and seeing natural attraction with women, where you literally have to do nothing to find that attraction. You need to question and challenge the mindset you keep about yourself that you normally cannot see it. It's faith that you have about you not being attractive to women all on your own, without having to do any actions; and who knows which other kind of negative layers, such as shame, guilt, sex not being okay, sexuality doesn't just "happen"...

If you think logically, you will be able to easily admit that you believe things like "I am not attractive to women just by myself". Correct? Well, those are the kind of beliefs that conform that barrier. "Women don't want me" is a big one for you, it seems, because you mentioned that it hurts... removing this particular belief, and clearing the emotions of that pain, will do wonders for you (my guess, knowing how these things work).

Morgul's explanation about believes and reinforcing that barrier is kind of related to something I have been pondering lately.

Basically, DMSI creates insane amounts of attraction in women around me, but as a result, I'm developing a belief that it is all fake and they are not really attracted to me, but to the aura that DMSI creates (based on the HUGELY obvious difference in attraction between with and without DMSI). So in a kind of convoluted way, it reinforces my believes such as "I am not attractive to women just by myself" and I'm only bypassing that barrier in an unnatural way. Have thoughts like this occured to anyone else here?

I'm using ver. A by the way.