Subliminal Talk

Holy crap, that much for 5 tablets! I thought that the suppliments I got for the gym were expensive!

-Ben

This thread was very useful for me. I also wants to use OED but wanted to knows Shannon's thoughts about my case.

(05-02-2020, 10:35 AM)richard18 Wrote: [ -> ]This thread was very useful for me. I also wants to use OED but wanted to knows Shannon's thoughts about my case.

Where can I find your case?

(05-02-2020, 01:51 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2020, 10:35 AM)richard18 Wrote: [ -> ]This thread was very useful for me. I also wants to use OED but wanted to knows Shannon's thoughts about my case.

Where can I find your case?

I've made my thread here: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-New-h...-questions

In the beginning I thought it was psychogenic and some guys said to me to use de E3. But now after studying the PIED thing I believe its PIED. 

This is my question now ( I also sent it to Benjamin)

I was doing some researching and it changed my mind. 


I believe the problem is PIED. Yeah maybe can be some related emotional problems but it seems PIED is my problem here because even after stopping porn I still continued masturbation and lots of fantasizing.

I didn't knew this could contribute to PIED. So I just wanted your opinion what subliminal should I use?

thank you very much

I already stopped masturbation and porn, I don't have problem with this, just wanted the process to heal faster, thanks.

Sorry, I did see that reply and the question but sometimes with pm's i'm doing something else like checking the emails and since the pm doesn't stay there in an obvious way I can forget.

Shannon will be able to give a more comprehensive answer than I can anyway.

(05-03-2020, 01:30 AM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, I did see that reply and the question but sometimes with pm's i'm doing something else like checking the emails and since the pm doesn't stay there in an obvious way I can forget.

Shannon will be able to give a more comprehensive answer than I can anyway.

Its okay Benjamin, thanks!

(05-02-2020, 04:43 PM)richard18 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2020, 01:51 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2020, 10:35 AM)richard18 Wrote: [ -> ]This thread was very useful for me. I also wants to use OED but wanted to knows Shannon's thoughts about my case.

Where can I find your case?

I've made my thread here: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-New-h...-questions

In the beginning I thought it was psychogenic and some guys said to me to use de E3. But now after studying the PIED thing I believe its PIED. 

This is my question now ( I also sent it to Benjamin)

I was doing some researching and it changed my mind. 


I believe the problem is PIED. Yeah maybe can be some related emotional problems but it seems PIED is my problem here because even after stopping porn I still continued masturbation and lots of fantasizing.

I didn't knew this could contribute to PIED. So I just wanted your opinion what subliminal should I use?

thank you very much

I already stopped masturbation and porn, I don't have problem with this, just wanted the process to heal faster, thanks.

If you think about it, porn induced erectile dysfunction is at least as psychological as it is anything else.

OED is 5G, and is designed to give you instructions that will result in overcoming erectile dysfunction.  It isn't the latest and greatest technology anymore, but 5G is still certainly no slouch either.  How well it works for you will depend on exactly why you have ED.  If it is truly PIED, then there's a good chance OED will work for you.  If it's physical damage, or the result of some prescription or recreational drug, then you'll have to deal with it some other way.

A lot of guys get themselves into a state of ED because of psychological reasons (ridicule, fear, guilt, shame, self esteem issues, etc.), and then they read all kinds of crap on the Internet that gives them beliefs that can make it worse by creating artificial limitations and more guilt/shame/fear/self worth issues, etc.  That is the sort of thing OED is designed to help with, although I could certainly make a much better script design at this point.  

I would say it's more likely than not that OED would help you if you used it properly, but there is certainly room for me to be wrong as well.

(05-03-2020, 02:48 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2020, 04:43 PM)richard18 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2020, 01:51 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2020, 10:35 AM)richard18 Wrote: [ -> ]This thread was very useful for me. I also wants to use OED but wanted to knows Shannon's thoughts about my case.

Where can I find your case?

I've made my thread here: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-New-h...-questions

In the beginning I thought it was psychogenic and some guys said to me to use de E3. But now after studying the PIED thing I believe its PIED. 

This is my question now ( I also sent it to Benjamin)

I was doing some researching and it changed my mind. 


I believe the problem is PIED. Yeah maybe can be some related emotional problems but it seems PIED is my problem here because even after stopping porn I still continued masturbation and lots of fantasizing.

I didn't knew this could contribute to PIED. So I just wanted your opinion what subliminal should I use?

thank you very much

I already stopped masturbation and porn, I don't have problem with this, just wanted the process to heal faster, thanks.

If you think about it, porn induced erectile dysfunction is at least as psychological as it is anything else.

OED is 5G, and is designed to give you instructions that will result in overcoming erectile dysfunction.  It isn't the latest and greatest technology anymore, but 5G is still certainly no slouch either.  How well it works for you will depend on exactly why you have ED.  If it is truly PIED, then there's a good chance OED will work for you.  If it's physical damage, or the result of some prescription or recreational drug, then you'll have to deal with it some other way.

A lot of guys get themselves into a state of ED because of psychological reasons (ridicule, fear, guilt, shame, self esteem issues, etc.), and then they read all kinds of crap on the Internet that gives them beliefs that can make it worse by creating artificial limitations and more guilt/shame/fear/self worth issues, etc.  That is the sort of thing OED is designed to help with, although I could certainly make a much better script design at this point.  

I would say it's more likely than not that OED would help you if you used it properly, but there is certainly room for me to be wrong as well.

Thanks for the answer. 

According Gary Wilson (the guy who talks about PIED thing and NOFAP in internet), PIED isn't psychogenic at all.

PIED is the desensisation of dopamine receptors in the brain caused by too much artificial stimulation. 

It's like our brain is the hardware and the mind is the software. A psychogenic erectile dysfuntion is something psychological, therefore is a problem in the mind. And PIED is the problem in the dopamine D2 receptors (and a lot of things in the brain but this is the main problem) therefore the problem is the brain.

The scientific community mostly still doesn't understand this very well because is something new. But it seems PIED is something more physical than psychological.

So my question is, since I believe my problem is 90% PIED and 10% psychogenic what subliminal you would recommend to me? 

Thank you very much.

(05-03-2020, 09:43 PM)richard18 Wrote: [ -> ][snip]

Thanks for the answer. 

According Gary Wilson (the guy who talks about PIED thing and NOFAP in internet), PIED isn't psychogenic at all.

PIED is the desensisation of dopamine receptors in the brain caused by too much artificial stimulation. 

It's like our brain is the hardware and the mind is the software. A psychogenic erectile dysfuntion is something psychological, therefore is a problem in the mind. And PIED is the problem in the dopamine D2 receptors (and a lot of things in the brain but this is the main problem) therefore the problem is the brain.

The scientific community mostly still doesn't understand this very well because is something new. But it seems PIED is something more physical than psychological.

So my question is, since I believe my problem is 90% PIED and 10% psychogenic what subliminal you would recommend to me? 

Thank you very much.

If the brain is the hardware and the mind is the software, does the hardware function without the software, or vice versa?  No.  A computer (hardware) without an operating system and some sort of userland software to make it actually do something (software) is just a pile of parts.

While I understand that PIED is tied to physical and chemical and such, the psychological is easy to overlook, but still plays an important role.  In fact without it, PIED would not exist, in my estimation, and here is why.

The trigger for response to sexual stimulus can be argued as to what it is.  It originates in the lizard brain physically, and seems to be instinctual, but we really cannot say what "instinct" is, or whether the brain is what causes it or what allows it to happen as a result of some other cause.  However, when you stimulate that part of the brain freely, you get the physical responses that are being spoken of.

If you think it ends there, you are sadly mistaken, because it is the interaction of the mind with the body and the circumstances that forms both conscious and subconscious beliefs, which result in expectations, choices, actions and reactions later on.  

Now once you read that "it's all chemical" that becomes a belief and an expectation, which in some ways limits you because "it's not psychological at all", which in turn rules out using your mind, beliefs, expectations, choices and decisions to make changes outside of "stop masturbating and stop using porn".  But if "just stop" worked, why do so many guys have to struggle so hard to accomplish it?  There is more to it than that, and that "more to it" is the psychological influence that results from the beliefs you form, which result in those expectations, limitations, choices, actions, etc.

You can't really know how much of it is physical and how much is psychological, so assigning numbers to it is again based on a pre-existing belief, which creates expectations and limitations.  It is better to simply say, "I don't know how much of it is physical and how much is psychological."  That leaves the limits behind and helps you begin making progress.

In this field, a LOT of things are misunderstood because what we are dealing with is so difficult to observe, differentiate, etc.  Simple logic doesn't always apply, since simple logic is A) potentially based on assumption of truth that is faulty, and or B) dealing with a part of yourself that is inherently not logical.  (The lizard brain understands everything BUT logic.)

If you want to overcome PIED, it would seem that subliminally, your options (depending on specifics) would be Overcoming Pornography Addiction, Stop Masturbating, and Overcome Erectile Dysfunction.  Any one, some or all of these may be useful.  In your shoes, I would start with OED, and see how that works for a few months.  If it does not largely solve the problem, then I would go for OPA and see how that works.

(05-04-2020, 01:34 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-03-2020, 09:43 PM)richard18 Wrote: [ -> ][snip]

Thanks for the answer. 

According Gary Wilson (the guy who talks about PIED thing and NOFAP in internet), PIED isn't psychogenic at all.

PIED is the desensisation of dopamine receptors in the brain caused by too much artificial stimulation. 

It's like our brain is the hardware and the mind is the software. A psychogenic erectile dysfuntion is something psychological, therefore is a problem in the mind. And PIED is the problem in the dopamine D2 receptors (and a lot of things in the brain but this is the main problem) therefore the problem is the brain.

The scientific community mostly still doesn't understand this very well because is something new. But it seems PIED is something more physical than psychological.

So my question is, since I believe my problem is 90% PIED and 10% psychogenic what subliminal you would recommend to me? 

Thank you very much.

If the brain is the hardware and the mind is the software, does the hardware function without the software, or vice versa?  No.  A computer (hardware) without an operating system and some sort of userland software to make it actually do something (software) is just a pile of parts.

While I understand that PIED is tied to physical and chemical and such, the psychological is easy to overlook, but still plays an important role.  In fact without it, PIED would not exist, in my estimation, and here is why.

The trigger for response to sexual stimulus can be argued as to what it is.  It originates in the lizard brain physically, and seems to be instinctual, but we really cannot say what "instinct" is, or whether the brain is what causes it or what allows it to happen as a result of some other cause.  However, when you stimulate that part of the brain freely, you get the physical responses that are being spoken of.

If you think it ends there, you are sadly mistaken, because it is the interaction of the mind with the body and the circumstances that forms both conscious and subconscious beliefs, which result in expectations, choices, actions and reactions later on.  

Now once you read that "it's all chemical" that becomes a belief and an expectation, which in some ways limits you because "it's not psychological at all", which in turn rules out using your mind, beliefs, expectations, choices and decisions to make changes outside of "stop masturbating and stop using porn".  But if "just stop" worked, why do so many guys have to struggle so hard to accomplish it?  There is more to it than that, and that "more to it" is the psychological influence that results from the beliefs you form, which result in those expectations, limitations, choices, actions, etc.

You can't really know how much of it is physical and how much is psychological, so assigning numbers to it is again based on a pre-existing belief, which creates expectations and limitations.  It is better to simply say, "I don't know how much of it is physical and how much is psychological."  That leaves the limits behind and helps you begin making progress.

In this field, a LOT of things are misunderstood because what we are dealing with is so difficult to observe, differentiate, etc.  Simple logic doesn't always apply, since simple logic is A) potentially based on assumption of truth that is faulty, and or B) dealing with a part of yourself that is inherently not logical.  (The lizard brain understands everything BUT logic.)

If you want to overcome PIED, it would seem that subliminally, your options (depending on specifics) would be Overcoming Pornography Addiction, Stop Masturbating, and Overcome Erectile Dysfunction.  Any one, some or all of these may be useful.  In your shoes, I would start with OED, and see how that works for a few months.  If it does not largely solve the problem, then I would go for OPA and see how that works.

Hey Shannon. Thanks for the answer, it was better than I expected. So I will buy the OED and see how it works.

Thank you

You are quite welcome.

(05-04-2020, 06:25 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You are quite welcome.

Any chance you can work on premature ejaculation 5.75 sub?

That is not on the list just yet.