Subliminal Talk

I think you should consider continuing running it, because you got her by using it. Also, it's still working on making you attractive long term.

(07-13-2017, 11:46 PM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]Day 53 (Day 21 of B version)

2 loops DMSI vb Hybrid Trickling Stream

Thanks for your advice guys, it means a lot. When I read your first post Duke, my gut told me I valued my relationship more, and then RTBoss's post helped to rationalise why my gut felt that way.

I will definitely stick with her. Now I know it's a conscious choice backed up my solid reasoning, I don't feel trapped by it now either. So again, thank you both.

Which raises the question... what am I doing on DMSI now then. Hmm.

I will definitely stick it out until at least the 32 day mark, this will give me time to think about what I want to do.

I'm experiencing a reduction in many of my insecurities that revolve around women, which consequently reduces issues to fight with my wife about.

The love remains, and doesn't go anywhere. So when the negative issues are reduced, I'm left with my love and appreciation for what I have - a fantastic woman. Do I ogle other women? Yeah, but that's not anything different than before. Before, I also craved their attention and validation, and now it's just something that entertains me - when they don't look at me, or show interest, I don't care. That's very freeing in many ways.

Keep on with DMSI and see what benefits you notice in that arena.

Ichigo, you have a situation in which both sides have their pros and cons.

You've been given the advice you have from the pro-marriage guys, and now I'm going to weigh in. I am decidedly anti-LEGAL marriage, because I have seen what it does to a lot of men.

So you have this girl you have as your first and that means you are inexperienced, and it shows in your musings about your quandaries. It is my opinion that no matter what you do here, you will have your good results and your possibility for regrets. While I don't believe that "you only live once", I do know that you can only experience the body and reality you are experiencing during this "lesson" you're working through.

The pros for staying with her are that you POTENTIALLY have a lifelong relationship with your first, which COULD result in you never having to look again. There are no guarantees in life, and I have seen guys in similar situations end up single because "Miss Perfect Girlfriend/Wife" found someone else a more appealing demonstrator of the male genes, even after years and sometimes more than a decade together. I believe that genetically, humans (or at least the vast majority of them) are NOT designed for monogamy. Monogamy is, in large part, the result of religious and social pressures and the fears and insecurity that people have. Yes, it is the best way to raise a child. No, it is not natural for humans. Either gender. It requires sustained conscious effort and control to achieve and maintain, for exactly that reason.

I have been around the block enough times to tell you from experience that sex without emotions is just sex. It's meaningless, and for me, is emotionally damaging. That's why I'm not easy. I have had plenty of lovers, but even though I am frequently in reception of sexual attention and interest from women, I am not easy. I have to protect my emotions.

You can't fail to communicate "because you're afraid of hurting her". Failing to communicate only leads to misunderstandings, and that WILL end your relationship. You MUST communicate, clearly, honestly and regularly. In a relationship especially, you MUST touch base and re-calibrate through open, honest communication, and do it constantly. If you have an issue, she needs to know so it doesn't become a misunderstanding and then blow up the relationship, and the same is true in reverse. This is more important than any "love" between you. You can make a loveless relationship work with proper communication, but you cannot make a relationship that fails with communication work even with all the love in the world. I just had that proven to me yet again.

If you choose to stay with her and not play the field, you may later have regrets, especially if she decides she's found someone better and dumps you.

But the risk of leaving is, you may find someone better and not come back; you may catch a disease; you may get hurt; you may get someone pregnant; she may find/choose someone else while you are gone; get a disease; become pregnant; be hurt, and not want you back.

Now I'm not interested in telling you to go the route I have gone. I am interested in seeing that you consider all of your options and understand them and their consequences.

If I could have, I would have stayed with my first major relationship. I would have an adopted daughter and no other children, and I would never have had the experiences that made me who I am today. But she decided to dump me (while I was battling cancer) for a drunk, unemployed plumber who abused her and her daughter, and then get hooked on crack and die in an alley, leaving her daughter to the state to place with a foster family. Then it came out that she had been hooking behind my back while I was working 80+ hours a week to support us, and all the while was complaining because she "didn't want to work". I kid you not, that actually happened. I never saw it coming.

I would have stayed with my second major relationship, but I discovered that she was cheating on me, right around the time I was going to propose marriage. Same thing happened with the third major relationship. My fourth was not only cheating on me with 12 guys I could prove and 2 more I couldn't, had BPD, and she was also an active alcoholic and did drugs. I was so INEXPERIENCED that I did not recognize this, while it was happening, even though my own mother had been an active alcoholic until I was 11.

So there is something to be said for experience, and there are dangers in being inexperienced. Now I have a woman I trust, but I firmly believe that I can only trust her because she is too scared to try to stray. As much as I love her, as much as I wish I could believe otherwise after all I have been through, it is my considered opinion that humans will only be monogamous if they are too guilted, ashamed or afraid to act on their natural inclinations - which is to fuck everything in sight, all the time.

So some food for thought. You have equal risk no matter what you do. Choose what is best for you, absolutely - but don't do it blindly.

(07-14-2017, 11:11 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Ichigo, you have a situation in which both sides have their pros and cons.

You've been given the advice you have from the pro-marriage guys, and now I'm going to weigh in. I am decidedly anti-LEGAL marriage, because I have seen what it does to a lot of men.

So you have this girl you have as your first and that means you are inexperienced, and it shows in your musings about your quandaries. It is my opinion that no matter what you do here, you will have your good results and your possibility for regrets. While I don't believe that "you only live once", I do know that you can only experience the body and reality you are experiencing during this "lesson" you're working through.

The pros for staying with her are that you POTENTIALLY have a lifelong relationship with your first, which COULD result in you never having to look again. There are no guarantees in life, and I have seen guys in similar situations end up single because "Miss Perfect Girlfriend/Wife" found someone else a more appealing demonstrator of the male genes, even after years and sometimes more than a decade together. I believe that genetically, humans (or at least the vast majority of them) are NOT designed for monogamy. Monogamy is, in large part, the result of religious and social pressures and the fears and insecurity that people have. Yes, it is the best way to raise a child. No, it is not natural for humans. Either gender. It requires sustained conscious effort and control to achieve and maintain, for exactly that reason.

I have been around the block enough times to tell you from experience that sex without emotions is just sex. It's meaningless, and for me, is emotionally damaging. That's why I'm not easy. I have had plenty of lovers, but even though I am frequently in reception of sexual attention and interest from women, I am not easy. I have to protect my emotions.

You can't fail to communicate "because you're afraid of hurting her". Failing to communicate only leads to misunderstandings, and that WILL end your relationship. You MUST communicate, clearly, honestly and regularly. In a relationship especially, you MUST touch base and re-calibrate through open, honest communication, and do it constantly. If you have an issue, she needs to know so it doesn't become a misunderstanding and then blow up the relationship, and the same is true in reverse. This is more important than any "love" between you. You can make a loveless relationship work with proper communication, but you cannot make a relationship that fails with communication work even with all the love in the world. I just had that proven to me yet again.

If you choose to stay with her and not play the field, you may later have regrets, especially if she decides she's found someone better and dumps you.

But the risk of leaving is, you may find someone better and not come back; you may catch a disease; you may get hurt; you may get someone pregnant; she may find/choose someone else while you are gone; get a disease; become pregnant; be hurt, and not want you back.

Now I'm not interested in telling you to go the route I have gone. I am interested in seeing that you consider all of your options and understand them and their consequences.

If I could have, I would have stayed with my first major relationship. I would have an adopted daughter and no other children, and I would never have had the experiences that made me who I am today. But she decided to dump me (while I was battling cancer) for a drunk, unemployed plumber who abused her and her daughter, and then get hooked on crack and die in an alley, leaving her daughter to the state to place with a foster family. Then it came out that she had been hooking behind my back while I was working 80+ hours a week to support us, and all the while was complaining because she "didn't want to work". I kid you not, that actually happened. I never saw it coming.

I would have stayed with my second major relationship, but I discovered that she was cheating on me, right around the time I was going to propose marriage. Same thing happened with the third major relationship. My fourth was not only cheating on me with 12 guys I could prove and 2 more I couldn't, had BPD, and she was also an active alcoholic and did drugs. I was so INEXPERIENCED that I did not recognize this, while it was happening, even though my own mother had been an active alcoholic until I was 11.

So there is something to be said for experience, and there are dangers in being inexperienced. Now I have a woman I trust, but I firmly believe that I can only trust her because she is too scared to try to stray. As much as I love her, as much as I wish I could believe otherwise after all I have been through, it is my considered opinion that humans will only be monogamous if they are too guilted, ashamed or afraid to act on their natural inclinations - which is to **** everything in sight, all the time.

So some food for thought. You have equal risk no matter what you do. Choose what is best for you, absolutely - but don't do it blindly.

Jeez, man, you've been through more than one swamp! Those experiences would be enough to make some jump off the deep end - kudos for coming through the other side as you have. I will, say, however - if the part in bold is your true opinion, there's a lot of healing to be done. That is about as cynical a perspective as I've ever seen.

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(07-14-2017, 04:05 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2017, 11:11 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Ichigo, you have a situation in which both sides have their pros and cons.

You've been given the advice you have from the pro-marriage guys, and now I'm going to weigh in. I am decidedly anti-LEGAL marriage, because I have seen what it does to a lot of men.

So you have this girl you have as your first and that means you are inexperienced, and it shows in your musings about your quandaries. It is my opinion that no matter what you do here, you will have your good results and your possibility for regrets. While I don't believe that "you only live once", I do know that you can only experience the body and reality you are experiencing during this "lesson" you're working through.

The pros for staying with her are that you POTENTIALLY have a lifelong relationship with your first, which COULD result in you never having to look again. There are no guarantees in life, and I have seen guys in similar situations end up single because "Miss Perfect Girlfriend/Wife" found someone else a more appealing demonstrator of the male genes, even after years and sometimes more than a decade together. I believe that genetically, humans (or at least the vast majority of them) are NOT designed for monogamy. Monogamy is, in large part, the result of religious and social pressures and the fears and insecurity that people have. Yes, it is the best way to raise a child. No, it is not natural for humans. Either gender. It requires sustained conscious effort and control to achieve and maintain, for exactly that reason.

I have been around the block enough times to tell you from experience that sex without emotions is just sex. It's meaningless, and for me, is emotionally damaging. That's why I'm not easy. I have had plenty of lovers, but even though I am frequently in reception of sexual attention and interest from women, I am not easy. I have to protect my emotions.

You can't fail to communicate "because you're afraid of hurting her". Failing to communicate only leads to misunderstandings, and that WILL end your relationship. You MUST communicate, clearly, honestly and regularly. In a relationship especially, you MUST touch base and re-calibrate through open, honest communication, and do it constantly. If you have an issue, she needs to know so it doesn't become a misunderstanding and then blow up the relationship, and the same is true in reverse. This is more important than any "love" between you. You can make a loveless relationship work with proper communication, but you cannot make a relationship that fails with communication work even with all the love in the world. I just had that proven to me yet again.

If you choose to stay with her and not play the field, you may later have regrets, especially if she decides she's found someone better and dumps you.

But the risk of leaving is, you may find someone better and not come back; you may catch a disease; you may get hurt; you may get someone pregnant; she may find/choose someone else while you are gone; get a disease; become pregnant; be hurt, and not want you back.

Now I'm not interested in telling you to go the route I have gone. I am interested in seeing that you consider all of your options and understand them and their consequences.

If I could have, I would have stayed with my first major relationship. I would have an adopted daughter and no other children, and I would never have had the experiences that made me who I am today. But she decided to dump me (while I was battling cancer) for a drunk, unemployed plumber who abused her and her daughter, and then get hooked on crack and die in an alley, leaving her daughter to the state to place with a foster family. Then it came out that she had been hooking behind my back while I was working 80+ hours a week to support us, and all the while was complaining because she "didn't want to work". I kid you not, that actually happened. I never saw it coming.

I would have stayed with my second major relationship, but I discovered that she was cheating on me, right around the time I was going to propose marriage. Same thing happened with the third major relationship. My fourth was not only cheating on me with 12 guys I could prove and 2 more I couldn't, had BPD, and she was also an active alcoholic and did drugs. I was so INEXPERIENCED that I did not recognize this, while it was happening, even though my own mother had been an active alcoholic until I was 11.

So there is something to be said for experience, and there are dangers in being inexperienced. Now I have a woman I trust, but I firmly believe that I can only trust her because she is too scared to try to stray. As much as I love her, as much as I wish I could believe otherwise after all I have been through, it is my considered opinion that humans will only be monogamous if they are too guilted, ashamed or afraid to act on their natural inclinations - which is to **** everything in sight, all the time.

So some food for thought. You have equal risk no matter what you do. Choose what is best for you, absolutely - but don't do it blindly.

Jeez, man, you've been through more than one swamp! Those experiences would be enough to make some jump off the deep end - kudos for coming through the other side as you have. I will, say, however - if the part in bold is your true opinion, there's a lot of healing to be done. That is about as cynical a perspective as I've ever seen.

Cynical would be, "Fuck all women, they're all a bunch of lying, cheating whores who will do anything to take advantage of you."

Realistic, based on my experiences, is "Humans are treacherous and will strongly tend to do whatever benefits themselves most, that they believe they can get away with."

You can believe what you like, but I would bet my level of experience with women is more than yours. I have been in serious I'm-looking-to-end-up-married-to-this-woman no less than seven times in my life. All seven... failed. Only one of them failed because of something I did to screw things up.

It is my considered opinion that a woman, being human, being supported by all the laws (at least in the US) and all the social conventions (again, at least in the US) can only be trusted if she wants what you want at least as much as you want it. Love has never made a real difference. It has always been...

1. Can/do we communicate effectively?
2. Are we being honest with eachother?
3. Do we respect one another sufficiently?
4. Are we willing to put in at least equal effort to make this relationship work?

And only then does love make an appearance in the scale of "what matters".

If there are all of the first 4, then the relationship will survive, with or without love. If ANY of those four are missing... it's just a matter of time.

That has been my experience over the last 30 years. Take it as you please... but realism isn't the same as cynicism.

Your experience with healthy (Edit: health-ier is probably more accurate, haha) women doesn't seem to be more than mine, having read what you wrote. You're a wise man, but sometimes those who are intelligent have a hard time admitting they need to change their own views. I'm sure it's lonely at the top - there just aren't many people who have things to say that can make you reevaluate your own position. If you want to stay with your views because of all your experience, obviously feel free.

The definition(s) I found of cynical is:

1. believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.

2. concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.

I think that definition covers the opinion you displayed pretty well. It doesn't have to be the extreme example you laid out in your reply.

(07-14-2017, 06:42 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Your experience with healthy (Edit: health-ier is probably more accurate, haha) women doesn't seem to be more than mine, having read what you wrote. You're a wise man, but sometimes those who are intelligent have a hard time admitting they need to change their own views. I'm sure it's lonely at the top - there just aren't many people who have things to say that can make you reevaluate your own position. If you want to stay with your views because of all your experience, obviously feel free.

The definition(s) I found of cynical is:

1. believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.

2. concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.

I think that definition covers the opinion you displayed pretty well. It doesn't have to be the extreme example you laid out in your reply.

I don't see how I fit #2 at all.

But... the fact that I found a woman I can trust should tell you that I did change my views. That's why I stopped choosing/attracting the women who were cheating/etc.

I'm just not convinced that "healthy" women are any less motivated to "be good" by fear, guilt or shame, or that they would do anything different if they were not. The only thing that matters in this is maturity - only a mature person (some might say soul) will do good without guilt, shame and/or fear as a motivation, as far as I have been able to ascertain.

And having been through what I have... I can say there are precious few such mature people.

Day 56 (Day 24 of B version)

2 loops DMSI vb Hybrid Trickling Stream

Very interesting and illuminating discussion guys, thank you.

I share Shannon's view on human beings in general, although I do believe she is a very trust worthy person who would not cheat on me, or anybody she was in a relationship with for that matter. In the future she may decide to leave me, but I do not believe she would cheat on me.

Weighing up the pros and cons of staying with her, I've decided that I want to give it a shot with her. I didn't find anybody compatible with me until I was 24 years old - she reached out to me where fear was stopping me from being sexual with women up until that point. For that alone, I am grateful to her - who knows if I would have been able to jump over that hurdle by myself.

We get on so well - I spend near enough 24/7 with her and we have such a good time together. We have our fights every now and again, but they're usually related to her feeling insecure because she thinks she's upset me and worries that I will break up with her. There are very few women in my life I have encountered who I think I could trust to not fall slaves to their sexual desires and cheat if the chance arose - but she's one of them. I know reading this the automatic response is to think "everyone thinks their girl is special", but in this case I believe she is. It is what it is.

Giving it a shot with her for now is beneficial to me because:

-I can see her being "the one" and us lasting together for our lifetimes.

-My life is better with her in it. I haven't met anybody, male or female, I would want to spend every day of my life with other than her.

-There are lots of people who have slept with a number of sexual partners. There aren't many people who find a partner who they love and stay with whilst remaining happy and faithful. I think I would regret throwing this away more than I would regret not having slept with a number of women.

-If she breaks up with me or cheats on me, because I am an attractive man, even if it is as late as my 50s, I will still be an attractive enough man to sleep around.

Essentially, if I have found the love of my life, a woman who loves me and we have the potential to live a fulfilling life together in which we trust and value each other, I think I would be foolish to throw that away.

Day 59 (Day 27 of B version)

2 loops DMSI vb Hybrid Trickling Stream

It's weird, starting about one week ago, I've been reading loads of books on screenwriting, character, plot, etc. and made myself a step by step process of how I could go about writing a story. I thought it was due to DMSI vb, as perhaps it was leading me towards success in that arena which would increase my sexual irresistibly.

I also had a sneaking suspicion it could be due to TID from MLS 5.5G... even though I've had no conscious plans to run it. I've had that nagging feeling in my brain.

Now upon reading the production description page, some things I didn't realise would be in it have really caught my eye:

"12. Develop and use the ability to visually experience something and then automatically subconsciously analyze, deconstruct, figure out exactly how it was done, practice and optimize it subconsciously until you can do what you witnessed, or better."

This is going to be insane for boxing and acting.

"24. Adjust physical brain mapping (dendritic connections) for achieving maximum learning speed and recall potential."

It occurred to me that if this takes place, then the results could be permanent if the program is used for long enough.

"52. Develop and improve hand-eye coordination as appropriate for achieving all of the goals of this program as they apply to what you are learning."

Boxing. Acting.

"55. Attempt to heal and repair any and all brain injury."

I had a brain haemorrhage when I was born, not sure if there's any permanent damage, but if so, this could heal it.

"57. Neutralize perfectionism where it is being used to prevent finishing something out of fear."

This is the thing that stops me getting anything done.

"62. Attempt to safely access and learn from future events as would be useful for achieving the goals of this program."

That shits cray.

"65. Create the reality of the thing in your mind, build it in your mind, optimize it in your mind, and then express the fully developed and optimized mental and/or physical result into reality."

You mean the process that all great artists of the past have used? Sign me up.

"96. Keep yourself learning 24/7 subconsciously, with automatic conscious access to the newly learned information and skills."

Awesome.

"101. Optimize blood flow to the brain by adjusting the intra-cranial vascular system."

Also potentially permanent?

Plus pretty much all the goals are conducive to becoming a better writer.

The only one that concerns me is...

"105. Remove people from your life and influence who would act as a negative for achieving these goals, and surround yourself with people who enhance them."

As it could be argued that even your family, or those closest to you, would stop you achieving your learning in some way.

But yeah, after reading the product description page and having felt what I think were TID effects from the program prior, I think I'm going to make the swap.

MLS 5.5G = improve my writing, boxing, acting, optimise my brain physically, potentially permanent results

DMSI = ego-boost from IOIs, unnecessary because I have a girlfriend I won't cheat on, physically draining, could wear pheromones on some days instead to increase attractiveness

Also, if the next version of DMSI isn't out for a couple of months, MLS could potentially cause some permanent changes until it's released.

It seems like DMSI got me to the point in my life where I got my loving girlfriend, and now MLS 5.5G is the next step in my story.

"101. Optimize blood flow to the brain by adjusting the intra-cranial vascular system."

You can do that by doing pranayama(breathing exercises) very slowly. Try the alternate nostril breathing and make sure you're breathing very slow.

Stopped MHS 3 days ago.

Going to run DMSI v1 up to release of v 3.2 for shits and giggles. Since it doesn't have any of the P Tech's, I don't have to worry about the 21 day break for when 3.2 is released. I'm also a vocal proponent of how great v1 was, so it will be good to settle in my own mind whether that was actually the case or whether that was me looking back with rose tinted glasses.

5 loops Trickling Stream FLAC through headphones during sleep.

Sleep was very bad, and had a very large amount of dreams. One of them was fantastic, a girl seduced me in class, and we proceeded to have sex. I very rarely actually have sex in my dreams, usually I get up to the point where we're kissing and I wake up, but this one went all the way to the finish line. I'm hoping it's a sign my subconscious is super receptive to the idea of being seduced and having sex with women.

Feeling in a very upbeat and cocky mood this morning, despite being tired. I really missed feeling confident which I lost during my MLS and MHS, so welcome back my playful self. Nice to see you again.

Haven't felt any aura yet, including after eating this afternoon. Haven't interacted with any beautiful women yet either.

It'll be interesting to see how you compare 3.1 to 1.

Day 2

7 loops Trickling Stream FLAC through headphones overnight

After leaving work yesterday, saw my girlfriend at home. She was very horny and affectionate toward me, called me sexy in particular a lot. I noticed I felt very relaxed when we were being intimate. She's mid-period though, and she was being horny and affectionate at the start of her period before I ran the sub, so I can't attribute it to DMSI v1 necessarily.

I think I can feel the aura when I'm sleeping as the loops are running, but it's not as strong as when I ran v1 initially over a year ago when it was first released. No dragon breath, popping veins or energy in hands as far as I can consciously tell. Nothing that seems better than what 3.1 was providing.

Still early days, although I noticed extreme signs of DMSI v1 working on me as soon as I ran it the first time around.

Had lunch at my mothers house today, she asked me if I had ever thought about modelling. lol.