(02-01-2017, 08:35 AM)myth Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2017, 02:59 PM)Bookstacks DC737 Wrote: [ -> ]Maaculinity improvement should definitely be an addition. I think we've all observed that attraction works based on polarity - masculine and feminine.
This could be stated for both men and women as something along the lines of "align to your preferred polarity as much as is needed for maximum sexual irresisitbility" and further statements to have it change according to the women/man you're with.
I think at some level there's even a sort of confusion for me - being this sexy and not being extremely masculine to go along with it.
No! Don't mess with my mojo! 
Seriously, though, in the way that masculinity works well for some of you with women, androgyny works well for me with women. And has done so for decades. It's not always about polar extremes. Billions of women have billions of individual tastes in men (and/or other women), not one universal one. Plenty of women have chosen me over far more stereotypically masculine options. On purpose.
More to the point, there's already masculinity programming in SM (and AM). Please don't make 3.0.1 the last attraction sub/version that I can actually use because people keep requesting the same bullet points in every sub. AM and SM (and WM) already exist, and, from what I recall, Shannon's said that they'll eventually be getting their own upgrades too.
Oh, and, if anyone's irked by the word "androgyny" above, don't read too far into my use of it. I simply don't think it serves anyone psychologically to be limited by/shackled to (temporary) social and cultural trappings (outside of legal restrictions) regarding what people of similar body types "can" or "should" do/be -- be it gender, age, height, weight, skin color, hair color, or any other physical attribute. But that's just my opinion, and I'm aware that it's not a popular one.
If you read the post you quoted, you'll notice that he said "align to your preferred polarity as much as is needed for maximum sexual irresisitbility". Ergo, if your subconscious doesn't think you need to be more masculine you wont be and others can become as masculine or feminine as they wish. Everybody wins, no need to mess with anyone's mojo.
(02-01-2017, 11:49 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]If you read the post you quoted, you'll notice that he said "align to your preferred polarity as much as is needed for maximum sexual irresisitbility". Ergo, if your subconscious doesn't think you need to be more masculine you wont be and others can become as masculine or feminine as they wish. Everybody wins, no need to mess with anyone's mojo.
He did. And I'd read it. But I'd taken it as aligning to the pole (at the pole) "as much as is needed" rather than moving toward the pole (not yet at the pole) "as much as is needed", as silly as these subtle distinctions probably sound.
I certainly see your point. I'd just initially read it as being stuck with either one pole or the other (with me somehow overlooking the no-pole option, I'll admit), while you seem to have read it as something more like N% of the way to the preferred pole. Which sounds like the much less extreme interpretation.
(02-01-2017, 06:07 PM)myth Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2017, 11:49 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]If you read the post you quoted, you'll notice that he said "align to your preferred polarity as much as is needed for maximum sexual irresisitbility". Ergo, if your subconscious doesn't think you need to be more masculine you wont be and others can become as masculine or feminine as they wish. Everybody wins, no need to mess with anyone's mojo.
He did. And I'd read it. But I'd taken it as aligning to the pole (at the pole) "as much as is needed" rather than moving toward the pole (not yet at the pole) "as much as is needed", as silly as these subtle distinctions probably sound.
I certainly see your point. I'd just initially read it as being stuck with either one pole or the other (with me somehow overlooking the no-pole option, I'll admit), while you seem to have read it as something more like N% of the way to the preferred pole. Which sounds like the much less extreme interpretation.
Either way if the statement was worded incorrectly Shannon knows how to implement those statements to avoid people changing in ways they don't want to.
Quote:Oh, and, if anyone's irked by the word "androgyny" above, don't read too far into my use of it. I simply don't think it serves anyone psychologically to be limited by/shackled to (temporary) social and cultural trappings (outside of legal restrictions) regarding what people of similar body types "can" or "should" do/be -- be it gender, age, height, weight, skin color, hair color, or any other physical attribute. But that's just my opinion, and I'm aware that it's not a popular one.
Personally that's one of those things I really hate and I don't want to be anything like that. All this destruction of so called 'social programming' in the way or pretending gender doesn't exist and 'gender neutrality' (not in the way it's being used in DMSI but the people who are like "oh I don't subscribe to either gender') are some of the worst things going around at the moment. Unfortunately apart from here mainly, that opinion is the one that isn't very popular and i've got alot of shit for it.
If it started making me really feminine and androgynous it's want to metaphorically throw DMSI in the bin.
But ok, I don't know how it could be done.. but maybe somehow it can go with what the user prefers.
(02-01-2017, 09:16 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Personally that's one of those things I really hate and I don't want to be anything like that. All this destruction of so called 'social programming' in the way or pretending gender doesn't exist and 'gender neutrality' (not in the way it's being used in DMSI but the people who are like "oh I don't subscribe to either gender') are some of the worst things going around at the moment. Unfortunately apart from here mainly, that opinion is the one that isn't very popular and i've got alot of shit for it.
Sorry, Ben. I was trying to avoid hitting that exact nerve. I'll try clarifying briefly. I'm
NOT saying that I don't have a gender, don't see gender, don't want gender, belong to one different than I am biologically, need an extra gender, or want to change mine. I'm male. I've had male parts since birth and, barring any unfortunate accidents, intend to die with them. Modestly proud of 'em too.
But that doesn't mean that I'd want to conform to an overtly masculine stereotype that doesn't suit me simply because I possess said parts. I'm not denying biology or even social programming; it's just about self-awareness and knowing when following the crowd would lead me off a bridge -- even if they'd escape unscathed. I had that (almost literally) happen twice in high school, and I know that what's innocuous or beneficial to some can be dangerous for others. And what's dangerous to some can be innocuous or beneficial for others.
(02-01-2017, 09:16 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]If it started making me really feminine and androgynous it's want to metaphorically throw DMSI in the bin.
Which is why I didn't want it telling me to conform more to masculinity (or femininity or androgyny or Martianity). Even if Martians happen to be considered really sexy on Mars.
But, you know, maybe there could be an Alpha Martian sub for that.
(02-01-2017, 09:16 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]But ok, I don't know how it could be done.. but maybe somehow it can go with what the user prefers.
Hopefully.
I really doubt DMSI will make anyone more masculine or feminine than they want. Simply because it's a sub designed for all sexes and orientations. It's not gonna make you gay if you're straight, and it's not gonna make you straight if your gay. It won't make you feminine if you want to be masculine, and vice versa. Seriously, I'm kind of annoyed with all this fear, and it mostly comes from the "masculine" guys.
Maybe we need a "remove fear of being gay" sub... That was a joke.
In all seriousness, my brother does the whole androgynous thing and he loves androgyny and women love him so there's more to it.
Also, I had a bisexual life coach for a while and the guy got more pussy than anyone on this forum. So again, enough with the fear and shit.
Now, back to DMSI ideas.
I had an experience today where a beautiful woman in a miniskirt and dark, tight leggings was walking towards me but was looking away. I didn't open her because I was caught off guard but that is a moment where she should have been sniped. Was absolutely stunning. And her walking straight towards me indicated at least a subconscious desire for me.
Also, girls online can't seem to tell how sexy I am in person. This needs to change. Something with the remote/long distance sniper.
Ideally a girl we are interested in online should be interested enough to go on a date with us, and then the in-person sniper can take hold.
Every affected person has a unique point of view and set of needs, triggers and desires. There is only one of the user.
Therefore the solution is to adjust what the affected people percieve, not the user.
Optimize for the individual needs and desires of the affected.
(02-02-2017, 10:57 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]I really doubt DMSI will make anyone more masculine or feminine than they want. Simply because it's a sub designed for all sexes and orientations. It's not gonna make you gay if you're straight, and it's not gonna make you straight if your gay. It won't make you feminine if you want to be masculine, and vice versa. Seriously, I'm kind of annoyed with all this fear, and it mostly comes from the "masculine" guys.
Maybe we need a "remove fear of being gay" sub... That was a joke.
In all seriousness, my brother does the whole androgynous thing and he loves androgyny and women love him so there's more to it.
Also, I had a bisexual life coach for a while and the guy got more pussy than anyone on this forum. So again, enough with the fear and shit.
Now, back to DMSI ideas.
I had an experience today where a beautiful woman in a miniskirt and dark, tight leggings was walking towards me but was looking away. I didn't open her because I was caught off guard but that is a moment where she should have been sniped. Was absolutely stunning. And her walking straight towards me indicated at least a subconscious desire for me.
Also, girls online can't seem to tell how sexy I am in person. This needs to change. Something with the remote/long distance sniper.
Ideally a girl we are interested in online should be interested enough to go on a date with us, and then the in-person sniper can take hold.
In all fairness, and I mean no disrespect to your brother but you said something like your brother was in an actual relationship with his girlfriend for like a month before they slept together. Unless he's like 14, that hardly sounds like he's great with women.
Or at least, even if he is liked by women in general he doesn't have much understanding of relationship power dynamics.
(02-03-2017, 06:34 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]In all fairness, and I mean no disrespect to your brother but you said something like your brother was in an actual relationship with his girlfriend for like a month before they slept together. Unless he's like 14, that hardly sounds like he's great with women.
Or at least, even if he is liked by women in general he doesn't have much understanding of relationship power dynamics.
Ah, this is true robstar, thanks for keeping me honest.
My bisexual coach was a different story however.
(02-03-2017, 09:06 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017, 06:34 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]In all fairness, and I mean no disrespect to your brother but you said something like your brother was in an actual relationship with his girlfriend for like a month before they slept together. Unless he's like 14, that hardly sounds like he's great with women.
Or at least, even if he is liked by women in general he doesn't have much understanding of relationship power dynamics.
Ah, this is true robstar, thanks for keeping me honest.
My bisexual coach was a different story however.
I know a bisexual dude that slays. He's got an extremely masculine energy though.
(02-03-2017, 10:20 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017, 09:06 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017, 06:34 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]In all fairness, and I mean no disrespect to your brother but you said something like your brother was in an actual relationship with his girlfriend for like a month before they slept together. Unless he's like 14, that hardly sounds like he's great with women.
Or at least, even if he is liked by women in general he doesn't have much understanding of relationship power dynamics.
Ah, this is true robstar, thanks for keeping me honest.
My bisexual coach was a different story however.
I know a bisexual dude that slays. He's got an extremely masculine energy though.
I'm trying to remember if my coach had a masculine energy. It didn't strike me that way. More of a calm IDGAF vibe (yes, it worked for him lol) which actually annoyed me and is the reason I stopped working with him. He just never offered anything practical I could use. Mostly just "You got this man, everything will work out" fluff. Maybe that was his secret tho: emotional support.
Something needs to be added that lets the user see how much progress is being made. At the moment, I feel like I'm stagnating and that's a pretty unpleasant feeling.
The user should be able to clearly feel the difference internally and see the difference in how girls respond and how the user feels about himself. Like the user should feel powerful and centered. Right now, I'm having moments of feeling pathetic from not achieving the goals or feeling like I'm not getting closer. So if something could be added to block these kinds of thoughts and feelings that'd definitely eliminate a lot of negativity. That and being able to see and feel the difference would definitely help keep users on track.
It truly amazes me that even though we are all from different cities, cultures, languages, and countries; we all are experiencing similar situations with the opposite sex.
(02-03-2017, 01:03 PM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ]It truly amazes me that even though we are all from different cities, cultures, languages, and countries; we all are experiencing similar situations with the opposite sex.
We're all human beings at our core man. Cities, cultures, languages don't change that.