Subliminal Talk

(01-30-2017, 04:56 PM)Aventus45 Wrote: [ -> ]1. Amped up celeb effect as well as the disinhibition effect.
2. Amping up the healing and clearing so it can go faster.
3. Enhanced Shielding

Nr. 1 and 2 sound great. The shielding was fine for me but I know that some didnt feel well with the healing and clearing and after amping up both the need for enhanced shielding is most probably there.

I would like an additional module against social anxiety (even if in theory the healing and clearing that are already in there should take care of that). Feeling totally relaxed while out alone and talking to strangers could be beneficial for being seduced.

Not good to find excuses to stay home while listening to DMSI, right?

(01-31-2017, 09:51 AM)changer Wrote: [ -> ]Not good to find excuses to stay home while listening to DMSI, right?

Which is exactly why we shouldn't have any "I'm already good with women" programming.

3.0.1 B was only 2 loops. Hopefully, 3.1 can be kept at 2 loops or just 1 loop.

Quote:You know CatMan I was agreeing with you till you brought up that "full cup" BS. Seriously. That mindset is toxiuc. Why? Because if you're full you don't eat. That's why.

It's the stupidest mindset I've ever come across and I know where you got it from. I don't want it in DMSI. Save that kind of "peace" for E3 and the like.

AGAIN DO NOT BE ASHAMED OF WANTING WOMEN!!!!! That whole "your cup is already full" crap is just another way to make yourself feel good about NOT getting what you want.

Aside from that point, I agree with everything you said

Sorry dude I gotta strongly disagree here. Most of my life I was puzzled by why chicks I wasn't attracted to were always into me and the chicks I really wanted weren't. And it wasn't that those chicks I wanted had different brain chemistry because their faces were prettier. It was because I wanted them so much that I was completely stifled around them, it made my microbehaviors unattractive, my sense of humor vanished, and I could not keep a strong frame. It wasn't till I started dropping the over-valuation and inflated importance and stated filling myself with an abundance mentality that this started changing and I started hooking up with hotter girls that I was really attracted to. Now I'm not fully there yet especially in terms of retaining those girls (oneitis can be a bitch), but I'm a hell of a lot further ahead and when my mindset is at its most abundant and my "wanting" is not high, I get great results. I think what you fail to realize is that you can have an abundance mindset and be outcome independent AND be filled with raw passionate desire and horniness at the VERY SAME TIME. That is the sweet spot we want to achieve and that is the place girls get literally addicted to you. Saying if you're full you don't eat is not a good analogy, because when you get full you won't be full anymore in a few hours. A better analogy would be, if you were extremely rich and had massive cash flow would you enjoy spending money on new things?
Let's look at you and milf as an example. I would bet good money that as your desire and outcome dependence increased as things progressed your behavior became less attractive. And it is not something you can control by focusing on externals, because that over-importance will break through in weak moments and in your microbehaviors, and and in many instances you will know exactly what you should do, but you will do the opposite.

(01-31-2017, 10:16 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]Most of my life I was puzzled by why chicks I wasn't attracted to were always into me and the chicks I really wanted weren't.

So true... every so often I got lucky and ended up with a hottie because I didn't think I had a chance. So instead of trying to get her, she got me by surprise!!

(01-31-2017, 09:57 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-31-2017, 09:51 AM)changer Wrote: [ -> ]Not good to find excuses to stay home while listening to DMSI, right?

Which is exactly why we shouldn't have any "I'm already good with women" programming.

Again, if you TRULY believe that you are already good with women you will have no qualms approaching every single women who makes your pants tighter. I'm not talking about pride and false belief.

(01-31-2017, 10:23 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-31-2017, 10:16 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]Most of my life I was puzzled by why chicks I wasn't attracted to were always into me and the chicks I really wanted weren't.

So true... every so often I got lucky and ended up with a hottie because I didn't think I had a chance. So instead of trying to get her, she got me by surprise!!

Same for me, but it never lasted long because as soon as I had something to lose I'd fumble.

(01-31-2017, 10:16 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:You know CatMan I was agreeing with you till you brought up that "full cup" BS. Seriously. That mindset is toxiuc. Why? Because if you're full you don't eat. That's why.

It's the stupidest mindset I've ever come across and I know where you got it from. I don't want it in DMSI. Save that kind of "peace" for E3 and the like.

AGAIN DO NOT BE ASHAMED OF WANTING WOMEN!!!!! That whole "your cup is already full" crap is just another way to make yourself feel good about NOT getting what you want.

Aside from that point, I agree with everything you said

Sorry dude I gotta strongly disagree here. Most of my life I was puzzled by why chicks I wasn't attracted to were always into me and the chicks I really wanted weren't. And it wasn't that those chicks I wanted had different brain chemistry because their faces were prettier. It was because I wanted them so much that I was completely stifled around them, it made my microbehaviors unattractive, my sense of humor vanished, and I could not keep a strong frame. It wasn't till I started dropping the over-valuation and inflated importance and stated filling myself with an abundance mentality that this started changing and I started hooking up with hotter girls that I was really attracted to. Now I'm not fully there yet especially in terms of retaining those girls (oneitis can be a bitch), but I'm a hell of a lot further ahead and when my mindset is at its most abundant and my "wanting" is not high, I get great results. I think what you fail to realize is that you can have an abundance mindset and be outcome independent AND be filled with raw passionate desire and horniness at the VERY SAME TIME. That is the sweet spot we want to achieve and that is the place girls get literally addicted to you. Saying if you're full you don't eat is not a good analogy, because when you get full you won't be full anymore in a few hours. A better analogy would be, if you were extremely rich and had massive cash flow would you enjoy spending money on new things?
Let's look at you and milf as an example. I would bet good money that as your desire and outcome dependence increased as things progressed your behavior became less attractive. And it is not something you can control by focusing on externals, because that over-importance will break through in weak moments and in your microbehaviors, and and in many instances you will know exactly what you should do, but you will do the opposite.

I disagree. I've only known success when I was trying VERY hard to obtain it. Sales, women, doesn't matter. Only when trying and trying HARD have I managed to succeed. Not giving a f*ck has thus far been the most useless of all techniques or advice I've come across.

I wanted milf and did what I thought I should to get her. If I would have stayed in NGAF lala land, I would never have asked her out and been the fool I've always been. At least I got some makeouts out of it.

But I can tell you 100% I was trying VERY hard to get what I did. NGAF doesn't work for me. Maybe it does for some select few, but it never has for me.

I remember once when the proponent of this idea was trying to convince me of it. He was like "dude haven't you noticed how in sales, after you've met you're quota, how all of a sudden it becomes easy and people just want to buy from you?" I told him "no, actually, it doesn't work that way. Any time I've gotten sales I've had to work for it by managing my state and staying in that "sweet spot" where things work. NGAF is just the place where I drop the mic and let everything go to shit"

In fact, one of the KEY principles of being good in sales is to show the customer that you CARE as in, that you actually GIVE A F*CK.

This is why I caution against this kind of programming.

How about modules to help us stay in the sweet spot instead of modules that get us to NGAF?

High performance, not apathy.

That's my 2 cents.

(01-31-2017, 10:42 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-31-2017, 10:16 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:You know CatMan I was agreeing with you till you brought up that "full cup" BS. Seriously. That mindset is toxiuc. Why? Because if you're full you don't eat. That's why.

It's the stupidest mindset I've ever come across and I know where you got it from. I don't want it in DMSI. Save that kind of "peace" for E3 and the like.

AGAIN DO NOT BE ASHAMED OF WANTING WOMEN!!!!! That whole "your cup is already full" crap is just another way to make yourself feel good about NOT getting what you want.

Aside from that point, I agree with everything you said

Sorry dude I gotta strongly disagree here. Most of my life I was puzzled by why chicks I wasn't attracted to were always into me and the chicks I really wanted weren't. And it wasn't that those chicks I wanted had different brain chemistry because their faces were prettier. It was because I wanted them so much that I was completely stifled around them, it made my microbehaviors unattractive, my sense of humor vanished, and I could not keep a strong frame. It wasn't till I started dropping the over-valuation and inflated importance and stated filling myself with an abundance mentality that this started changing and I started hooking up with hotter girls that I was really attracted to. Now I'm not fully there yet especially in terms of retaining those girls (oneitis can be a bitch), but I'm a hell of a lot further ahead and when my mindset is at its most abundant and my "wanting" is not high, I get great results. I think what you fail to realize is that you can have an abundance mindset and be outcome independent AND be filled with raw passionate desire and horniness at the VERY SAME TIME. That is the sweet spot we want to achieve and that is the place girls get literally addicted to you. Saying if you're full you don't eat is not a good analogy, because when you get full you won't be full anymore in a few hours. A better analogy would be, if you were extremely rich and had massive cash flow would you enjoy spending money on new things?
Let's look at you and milf as an example. I would bet good money that as your desire and outcome dependence increased as things progressed your behavior became less attractive. And it is not something you can control by focusing on externals, because that over-importance will break through in weak moments and in your microbehaviors, and and in many instances you will know exactly what you should do, but you will do the opposite.

I disagree. I've only known success when I was trying VERY hard to obtain it. Sales, women, doesn't matter. Only when trying and trying HARD have I managed to succeed. Not giving a f*ck has thus far been the most useless of all techniques or advice I've come across.

I wanted milf and did what I thought I should to get her. If I would have stayed in NGAF lala land, I would never have asked her out and been the fool I've always been. At least I got some makeouts out of it.

But I can tell you 100% I was trying VERY hard to get what I did. NGAF doesn't work for me. Maybe it does for some select few, but it never has for me.

I remember once when the proponent of this idea was trying to convince me of it. He was like "dude haven't you noticed how in sales, after you've met you're quota, how all of a sudden it becomes easy and people just want to buy from you?" I told him "no, actually, it doesn't work that way. Any time I've gotten sales I've had to work for it by managing my state and staying in that "sweet spot" where things work. NGAF is just the place where I drop the mic and let everything go to shit"

In fact, one of the KEY principles of being good in sales is to show the customer that you CARE as in, that you actually GIVE A F*CK.

This is why I caution against this kind of programming.

How about modules to help us stay in the sweet spot instead of modules that get us to NGAF?

High performance, not apathy.

That's my 2 cents.

That's likely because when you're in NGAF it's because you've suppressed desire. NGAF is about letting go of attachment to the OUTCOME. Not saying "ah man who gives a fuck why bother do anything" while your subconscious is only doing that to protect you from failing. What I've gathered from what you've said now, and many many times in the past as that the reason you need to try and fight so hard is that you have a DEEP unconscious resistance to both success and failure. I'm pretty sure Shannon has alluded to this in the past. So you have to fight tooth and nail to keep yourself out of apathy, and as soon as you let go of that fighting you drop straight into that "why bother" state.

You were less attached to the outcome when you were getting things started with milf. You wanted her, sure, but you didn't have anything to lose. And it was because, as you've said in the past, you didn't really believe you would succeed. Therefore you had nothing to lose. As soon as things got further in you said you started to believe you would succeed and lay her. At this point you started having something to lose and therefore became more outcome dependent. I've experienced this many times.

Say what you want but outcome independence is a huge factor in success with women. You disagree on the basis that you "used to be outcome independent" and didn't have women. I argue that you weren't really outcome independent, you just supressed your desire very deeply and strongly during that time period. The subconscious is a very powerful thing, you can't just force yourself into a certain state and pretend the subconscious isn't carrying all kinds of garbage. I'm not sure why your running subs if you don't believe that.

And to your point about sales and showing the customer you care, that is exactly right! The customer wants to know you care about THEM but if they think all you care about is whether they buy or product or not, they're outta there. That is outcome dependence vs independence. Process orientation vs result orientation. Further proving my point

I totally agree with Sarge about the oneitis thing. DMSI’s training should make it impossible for oneitis to happen. It’s unhealthy and should be prevented. If masculine programming was added, I’d be totally fine with it. I’d like for DMSI to also cause your penis size to increase if you want it to. It’d be a nice plus. Of course, for those who don’t want that it shouldn’t affect them at all.

I also wholeheartedly agree about the attraction not being strong and prevalent, which is why I said the aura should be stronger and the self-training modules should be massively amped up. I want the self-training modules alone to be strong enough to make girls strongly attracted without a word even being said. The aura would just push their desire for the user over the top at that point.

I also hope that the self-training and BIATBWS programming takes place as the healing happens. So then before the aura even kicks in, the user is benefitting from the other parts of the program and getting results within the first month. Then shortly after that, is fully healed, and have the aura kick in.

An abundance mentality regarding women should definitely be in the program.

And if possible, luck magnifier focused towards the goals of the program would be great. It'd be cool to have someone get with a model by chance in the first week of DMSI. Unexpected things like this would be awesome. We should literally have all the odds in the universe stacked in our favor to get with any girl we choose when we user DMSI.

(01-31-2017, 11:17 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]That's likely because when you're in NGAF it's because you've suppressed desire. NGAF is about letting go of attachment to the OUTCOME. Not saying "ah man who gives a **** why bother do anything" while your subconscious is only doing that to protect you from failing. What I've gathered from what you've said now, and many many times in the past as that the reason you need to try and fight so hard is that you have a DEEP unconscious resistance to both success and failure. I'm pretty sure Shannon has alluded to this in the past. So you have to fight tooth and nail to keep yourself out of apathy, and as soon as you let go of that fighting you drop straight into that "why bother" state.

Maybe. I doubt it though. The desire is still there, but I don't care to act on it i.e. IDGAF

(01-31-2017, 11:17 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]You were less attached to the outcome when you were getting things started with milf. You wanted her, sure, but you didn't have anything to lose. And it was because, as you've said in the past, you didn't really believe you would succeed. Therefore you had nothing to lose. As soon as things got further in you said you started to believe you would succeed and lay her. At this point you started having something to lose and therefore became more outcome dependent. I've experienced this many times.

See and THIS is a valuable insight and one that is overlooked, but I don't think it's outcome dependence.

Perhaps the key isn't to NGAF, perhaps the key is to never believe anything will work but do it anyways.

I've noticed this in sales too. If I am confident, nothing seems to work. If I feel like shit and don't believe I have anything of value for people, they buy like crazy.

That's not OI, that's some other magical f*ckery that has not been named yet. But it is DEFINITELY a "thing".

(01-31-2017, 11:17 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]Say what you want but outcome independence is a huge factor in success with women. You disagree on the basis that you "used to be outcome independent" and didn't have women. I argue that you weren't really outcome independent, you just supressed your desire very deeply and strongly during that time period. The subconscious is a very powerful thing, you can't just force yourself into a certain state and pretend the subconscious isn't carrying all kinds of garbage. I'm not sure why your running subs if you don't believe that.

Tony Robbins would disagree with you. You absolutely can force yourself into a certain state, I've done it myself.

The key is to find what is what works. And I'm giving you examples of times OI and Confidence did NOT work, and you're just ignoring them so that you can keep your narrative.

Like I said, it's probably something else that has not been named yet.

(01-31-2017, 11:23 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]And to your point about sales and showing the customer you care, that is exactly right! The customer wants to know you care about THEM but if they think all you care about is whether they buy or product or not, they're outta there.

This isn't entirely true. Of course showing the customer you care about them is good BUT I've had days (especially when I first started out) where I only wanted the sale, customer be damned, and they still bought.

I don't think your motives matter, just so long as the end goal is in sync with the customer's end goal, and the customer can tell you care about THAT (the end goal they want i.e. the OUTCOME ). I suspect it works the same with women.

If that is the case, then OI wouldn't get you the girl as much as being in sync with her would.

I strongly suspect this is the case. Even Dzemoo said he had to be beta to get some girls because it's what they wanted.

(01-31-2017, 11:23 AM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]That is outcome dependence vs independence. Process orientation vs result orientation. Further proving my point

Lol, no. How is CARING not giving a f*ck?

Sexual dysfunction completely eradicated, everytime is on it's really ON.

(01-31-2017, 12:47 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]See and THIS is a valuable insight and one that is overlooked, but I don't think it's outcome dependence.

I would agree with it being outcome dependence.

(01-31-2017, 12:47 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Tony Robbins would disagree with you. You absolutely can force yourself into a certain state, I've done it myself.

Yes, you can force yourself into different states, but the unconscious baggage is still following with you, which is why it's important to get rid of the unconscious baggage as well

(01-31-2017, 12:47 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, no. How is CARING not giving a f*ck?

I'll copy some inserts from "The Subtle Art of Not Giving A F*ck" - Mark Manson (awesome book)

Quote:Subtlety #1: Not giving a fuck does not mean being indifferent; it means being comfortable with being different.

- Aka, NGAF about the outcome

If you are being indifferent, you are the definition of a psychopath (if we're talking about emotions at least)

Quote:Subtlety #2: To not give a fuck about adversity, you must first give a fuck about something more important than adversity.

- Give a fk about improving yourself, instead of getting laid. You should not give a fk about thing's you can't control (how the women's respond, you can control how you approach/act).

Quote:Subtlety #3: Whether you realize it or not, you are always choosing what to give a fuck about.

- Do you really wanna give a fk about people around you, wasting your time on unnecessary things that you don't have control over (such as weather or nature catastrophes)



NGAF is not about being indifferent about girls (or anything else) it's being ok with whatever happens.

So if you meet a hot girl on the street, the NGAF approach would be "Hey. I found a girl I've found attractive, I'll talk to her and if it goes forward, ok. If it doesn't go any further, ok."

You don't give a fk about the social norms, you don't give a fk about what happens. You don't give a fk about the resistance.

On topic:
Physical Changes
Aura/Healing improvement
Masculinity
Social Skills
Celeb Effect improvement
Long Range Sniper (already promised but still).