Quote:No idea what you are talking about with your 1000 steps example. That is not what I have seen at all.
Of course i'm exaggerating to show what I mean.. but all this A1, A2, A3 crap is way too much.
Quote:Attacking the merit of the work based on the personal issues the guy have isn't something that should be done. You shouldn't mix both. Someone can be close to be crazy yet produce something marvelous.
Actually in this case it should. Learning something like social interaction from someone who has so many issues you're going to pick up some of it, mystery methods whole basis is that 'I'm not good enough so I need all these steps, magic tricks, complexity to perform and have her like me". And it likely also contributed to his mental issues and the complexity also come out of them.
Learning a way of being from a psycho is going to cause you issues.
'Demonstrating high value' and all the other pua lingo is also just disconnecting you from women even more.
I'm not saying it to be a bastard, i'm saying it because I went through that and realized it caused me more issues.
John Cooper talks about this stuff and I looked at his stuff a year ago and didn't get it, now I finally understand where he's coming from.
I don't remember what video it was that summed it up.
Quote:So if I get it right what you say is that you know someone that isn't someone that you would want to model that is using the method. Hence the method isn't good. Is that what you are saying?
The thing is those students Wolverine mentions accurately depict the same psychological issues of mystery. Hmm..
Quote:you shouldn't bash it.
Something that causes people problems I have no issue bashing
For something that explains it way better and is currently what DMSI finally helped me to understand for myself (the part of looking for girls to make me feel better about myself mainly) and that i'm now working on.. I attached a pdf below that is found free on John Cooper's site.
Can't wait to get back into daygame next week.
(07-14-2017, 01:45 AM)ReeZoX Wrote: [ -> ][quote='SargeMaximus' pid='173962' dateline='1500013751']
If one were to go to him (Mystery) for teaching (which I wouldn't recommend) you have to read into the context.
For example - Negging
A LOT of people tried this out after reading "The Game".
By saying a negative thing about a girl they would get slightly more interest in you? - Well, most guys who tried this removed the context and thought it would work on every girl possible. Mystery and the PUA guys negged girls who were in High-end clubs, celebrities and such. They were confident enough to know they deserved this and that. But your high-school crush likely didn't have the same confidence as these girls, hence your "negging technique" failed.
Yeah. I'm aware that many peoples trying to neg got catastrophic results. This is a part that is very misunderstood.
A lot of people failing with negging just come out as plain insulting. To pull it out correctly you need enough social intelligence to calibrate to the situation. You also need to understand what you are trying to accomplish. The goal of negging is to make her perceive you as higher value than herself. That is the only way a woman will be attracted to you sexually.
You need to gauge if it is required. It usually is with very very beautiful women that you cold approach. She needs to get down from the pedestal that other men have put her on. That is not required if you have solid social proof through common acquaintances or if you talk with a more average woman.
I suspect that this might be rarely required for a DMSI user.
I'm by no mean very good myself at negging. Not my style but I accomplish the negging goal with playful indifference. I tease and catch her attention, then I make her work for more of my attention. IOW, you set in place the frame that she is chasing for your attention...
(07-14-2017, 04:58 AM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:No idea what you are talking about with your 1000 steps example. That is not what I have seen at all.
Of course i'm exaggerating to show what I mean.. but all this A1, A2, A3 crap is way too much.
Benjamin, pretty much your whole reply made sense. Breaking down the seduction process into 3 main steps made sense
Atttact -> Build comfort -> Close
I feel that breaking these 3 steps in 3 smaller steps may be overkill too. but then, it may be intended to troubleshoot. If you are stuck somewhere and can pinpoint it exactly to, lets say A3, you can reread A3 chapter and find ways to improve your sticking points.
That being said, I'm not buying the whole thing neither. For example, I feel that sometime, resorting to gimmicks to DHV because what these guys did was only picking-up chicks for a big chunk of their lives isn't something that I buy into.
A better way to DHV is to actually BE HV by doing something amazing out of your life. This is more in line with what you are going to find inside the Way of the Superior Man of David Deida.
But I know no else better than MM to describe the social dynamics of groups and men/women than him. Just adapt the implementation to be in sync with your core values and this makes his book an interesting read...
Thanks for that link, very... "eye opening"
Seriously tho, it changed some of my previously held ideas about EC.
I don't think women looking down and away is a good sign anymore.
