Quote:Look Shannon, I get it, you have a strong opinion about your programmes.
When it comes to anti-piracy I am not entirely sure you would call it opionion. My efforts follow copyright law as far as I know.
Quote:When i said the end user has a right to do as he pleases, your licencing examples of OS's are a weak example, nothing controls how an end user HAS to use their OS, nothing controls how an end user HAS to use their video games, even if these are licensed products, there is nothing in any stipulation that stops a user from sharing these.
On the contrary, you saying that only displays your level of ignorance on the matter.
The law disagrees with you. So do the facts. Have you ever heard of the Windows registry? Do you know why that nightmare exists? It's not because Microsoft one day thought it would be fun to do. It's primarily there so you cannot simply copy a file or folder from one computer to another and make a copy of a program.
And, if you use the program or video game, you have to accept the End User License Agreement, which calls on copyright law to prevent you from committing piracy.
Quote: I completely understand that you wouldn't want your products shared across the internet for free, but the level of control you are imposing over a product you've sold is a little concerning, especially since your products are designed to improve peoples lives.
AP code stops people from committing piracy. That's it. Since piracy is against the law to begin with, where is the cause for concern? It seems preposterous for you to be arguing that it is concerning that my efforts don't allow you to ignore copyright law.
Quote:I think its ridiculous that you expect me to pay $500 for a product, and if i get results and say tell my brother or my friend to give it a try you expect them to also hunt out your website spend $500 when all they have is my word, haha its ridiculous thats no way to treat a customer and not a very good reputation to have in any market, basically If i was to let my brother use a product i purchased from you, we would both be in violation of your AP code and whatever would or wouldn't happen.
That it is ridiculous to follow the law, that it is ridiculous to expect someone to pay for what they use, enjoy and benefit from, that it is ridiculous that you think I should work for your benefit without getting fair and expected lawful compensation, is what's ridiculous. That's no way to treat a content producer, and you're only making yourself look crazy to anyone who has any common sense.
If you want your brother to "see for himself" without paying for it first, you can use it for yourself while he is around. But you paid for it and he didn't. He does not have the right, therefore, to freely use and benefit from it. You're paying not just for all the expertise, work, research, development, time and so forth that went into making the product, you're paying also for the right to use it when you like, on what device you like.
If I get a "bad rep" in the market for not allowing people to pirate my stuff, then guess who won't be using my stuff? The very same people who wouldn't be paying for it in the first place! And somehow I don't think that's going to lose me much sleep at night.
Quote:If i let my brother use my mac apple would not dream of ever stopping my mac from working properly until my brother paid the full retail price, when I'm playing a video game and my friend wants a shot my game doesnt decide it can no longer function in an appropriate manner because someone who doesnt own it has played.
The difference lies here. A Mac is a physical computer. You can't just click and copy a computer. So, it isn't piracy to allow someone else to use the computer you paid for, now is it? There's a big difference. There is also a difference in a game, which only allows one install per license. That copy exists on one computer, one time, and it exists on the original install media. You can not just give it away andhave everyone use it freely. But if you let someone else use that one install on your one computer, then no copyright infringement happens because that one install, on that one computer, has been paid for. No imbalance of value.
Quote:if either of those examples did what your ap code did, then both apple nor the game developer/publisher/licencee would eventually go about of business.
The first example doesn't need to, or trust me, they'd try. And the second example, as per my explanation, does EXACTLY what my AP code does.
Quote:Its a poor way to treat customers, I get it, don't spread my products around because I'll lose money, but the amount of control you try to execute over your customers is frankly disgusting practice, if this was any other niche you'd be screwed.
What you fail. time and again, to comprehend here is that I am not burdening my CUSTOMERS at all with this. It does not affect my CUSTOMERS. Customers pay for the program, and keep the balance of value exchange. Piracy, on the other hand, does not. And the AP code only activates when you commit piracy.
There is, if you look at antipiracy measures in practice, a lot to be said for how lenient my methods are compared to a lot of others out there. Your claims of "disgusting" are laughable.
If it was any other niche I'd be screwed? I am already screwed. People like you make me spend hours explaining basic common sense and copyright law when I could be working, and because of this I am falling ever further behind on my work. And all of this is basic common sense. Go read copyright law sometime. See just how wrong you are.
Quote:If you want to sell me a product and control everything i do with that product then i shouldn't be paying $500 i should be paying a subscription to the sub that i am running.
If I wanted to control everything you do with my intellectual property, I would have spent a lot more time and money on the AP code. But I don't. Just want my due recompense for what people benefit from concerning my work.
As for the subscription option, we are considering that, but it's going to be a bit before we might be able to move forward with it. But even if you had it on a subscription plan, copyright law would not change for you. Sorry.
Quote:I'm only so shocked, because when i first discovered indigo mind labs about 5 years ago, a friend of mine put DAOS and AM on my ipod, and said here try these out they are good and the guy who sells them is a pretty awesome guy, I tried them, i saw some fantastic results and in the 4 years since I've invested over $2000 on your products across my two accounts
Yes, I am familiar with the concept that piracy acts as advertising. That's part of why I allow people to benefit from the programs even if they are pirated. I don't use code that causes people to advertise for me, but if you are going to commit piracy anyway, I might as well benefit to the maximum extent possible. Otherwise I;d have simply made the AP code shut down results altogether for pirated copies.
Quote:, and back then I thought you were genuinely a good person and I was especially impressed with the cancer healing aid sub you give away for free, back then I knew a person who was going through chemotherapy so it was a great supportive sub for her and the fact it was free showed a humanitarian side to the company, 2 years later I send her MLS which i had used too, she saw results and has since purchased numerous products from you. Unforunately now I dont see a humanitarian company, it is so about money with you that the act of sharing a subliminal (which the end user now owns after purchase) invalidates the subliminal, I'm sure I'm not the only person on this forum that was introduced to your work by a method that would activate the AP code.
Translation: I can't break copyright law? Screw you!
Humanitarian or not, the bottom line for any company comes down to cash flow. Does the company have the cash to continue operating? If not, that company dies. Cash for a company is like oxygen for a person. It is a quick death when the company is starved of it sufficiently.
That has nothing to do with humanitarian or not. That's common sense and basic fact. So to keep this company alive, and keep it benefitting those it is benefitting, I have to make sure that the leeches and pirates return enough value that the coompany does not die in the process. Benign advertising type piracy is still going to lose the copmpany money because not everyone who wanders off with a product is going to pay for it, regardless of how awesome it is.
So, my code allows for that sharing and experiencing what value is to be had before the payment is made, but in the case of no payment, something is done to return fair value to the company and help us stay afloat. We are not sitting here in piles of money. We don't have billions or even millions in cash reserves, like some of the more obvious companies out there. Our growth is expensive for us. So at the end of the day, how do we get the pirates to pay for their programs? How do I keep this company alive and make it possible that it will not need to worry about things like this concerning it's survival? Because if we die from too many leechers, NOBODY benefits.
Quote:So in interest, what happens if I go 50/50 with someone to purchase a subliminal? lets say $500 dollars is a bit of a stretch for a sub but my friend wants to run it too and we buy it 50/50, what happens?
Let's say you go into a game store and spend 50% on the game you want, and your friend spends 50%? You now share ownership of a physical disc. Not the actual game data on it, because that's only licensed to you. So you can use that game on one game console or computer and that's that. And if you want to share, then you have to wait for the other person to finish using it. But since there is only one copy in use, and only one license paid for, nobody cares.
Now let's say you get tired of waiting your turn, and you break the game disk in half and take your half home to install it on your computer or console. You have your half, and you paid for your half. But it won't work, because only half the required data is there.
Maybe you decide to rip the disc and install it on two consoles at once. That's two coipies, when only one license has been paid for. That's piracy. And that of course is why they have keys that are server side to prevent people from doing that, because they know that people don't have the common sense or decency to "get it" that you have to pay for what you want to use and benefit from.
If you group buy something, then multiple people intend to benefit from ONE license to use it. That's piracy. That triggers AP code.
Quote:Do we both equally get half the value or does neither of us get any value?
One of you is the licensed owner and one of you is not. One license, one copy. Whoever isn't the owner of that license isn't free to use it without the other person using it for themselves at the same time.
Quote:What if my grandparents want to quit smoking and I buy them one of your subs, to play in their living room, does it only work effectively for one of them, one person paid and distributed it to two people. Does the act of distributing the sub to my 2 grandparents mess up my use of the current sub I am running.
If you buy a stop smoking sub, and then you give it to one of your grandparents, without retaining any copies, and then the owner benefits from it while someone else happens to also be exposed and benefits from it, there is no problem.
Quote:I know this board is policed by Indigo Mind Labs so you may not see it so much here, but have a look around on other forums etc, you might be surprised by the amount of the negative publicity this company is getting because of this anti-piracy thing.
So basically, we are pissing off the people who would steal from us. Does this bother me? In the end, such people are not providing me with what I am asking for in return for my products and work, so they are not my customers. I listen to my CUSTOMERS, not thieves. And what I am asking for is simply that you follow existing copyright law. How ridiculous of me! The nerve I have.
Quote:I have to agree with the outside opinion, as much as I love your products, you already control how we run them through instructions, now you are controlling the way we own a product we bought, and yes we buy them, so from a legal standpoint, any media that is purchased and then downloaded unless specifically of a rental nature is owned by the end user,
The program remains my intellectual property. That is why copyright law applies. I had been wanting to avoid getting into the full length EULA crap, but you don't seem to like that. So you want us to impose more restrictions, with a full length licensing contract, is hat's what you're saying? Because that's what you're pushing for with all this.
Quote:once it reaches our hands its our copy of your program, and I personally see nothing wrong with giving my copy to someone else to try, which I've done and I know 4 people in my job that have purchased from you because of a file I gave them, however since you don't want us too provide feedback and free advertisement in this manner, I will no longer share my older subliminals with people I know nor will I recommend people I know too check you out as I don't agree with your ethics and your overpowering need to control, perhaps consider changing the title of BAMM to something more appropriate!
You have a copyrighted program. You don't have unlimited freedom to copy and distribute it.
If that means you send people to our forum to try the FREE programs that we specifically offer so you can try it without paying for it, then maybe that would be a good idea. But sharing copies of programs we expect to be paid for is not good. There is no guarantee that everyone you give it to is going to pay for it. And over time, that costs us a lot of money.
If we didn't have to deal with the money we lose to piracy, how much better would our programs be already? How much more time would we have for R&D? How much more money would we have for R&D?
If my ethics were not in play, I might have used draconian DRM that only allows you to play it on one device and only for the number of times I choose per licensing payment. It was certainly recommended to me more than once.
If my ethics were not in play, I would have simply denied all pirates any benefits at all from the use of unpaid programming.
We don't have an overpowering need to control. We want our business to stay alive and benefit as many people as possible.
We cannot stay alive if we don't make enough money for our value offered. And if we starve for cash flow and die, who benefits then?
Are you so blind that you think it's better to lose all of this than to save up for something you want, instead of group buying or pirating it? The digital age has produced so much instant gratification that nobody seems to have any memory or understanding of what it means to save up for what you want if you can't afford it
right now.
Well, if I go to a car dealership and complain because they won't let me steal a car because I only have say $2,000 and they want me to pay $25,000, who cares? They'll tell me to save up for it or pay in installments.
We cannot currently do the installments thing, so you have the option of saving for something you cannot afford right now.
And if you think my prices are too high, you're welcome to use someone else's offering instead. But my prices are where they are because that is the fair value I have concluded recovers my time and effort and investment and expertise. That's what keeps us afloat.
If you don't like it, you can vote with your wallet and buy from someone else. But stealing is not an option. You pay for it, and then you get it. That's the deal. That's why we have free versions of full programs for you to try first.