So is it you or the sub?
How long's a piece of string?
Why don't you feel great?
Depressed after not seeing results since starting.
Why moody and resentful?
Spending $500 on a sub to revolutionise my success with women when I see other people breezing along with them?
Do others find moody and resentful attractive?
Probably not, perhaps I should put on a happy face?
What are your expectations.
To have more attention and choice of beautiful women.
and where do they come from?
Your advertising.
What are they based on?
Your advertising
And if you're not seeing manifestations, why do you want to quit early and do a manifestation sub?
Because an ayp would be more focused on exactly what I want so if your subs do work as expected that sub should be fairly easy in comparison to a 6 stager like WM.
(05-29-2015, 02:50 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]ah, I know how ya feel. Though I didn't get the whole being resentful of people who have what I don't (mainly women) until stage 5. Though I did feel emotionally distraught during the first 21 days of stage 4. Other than lack of external results have you generally been getting most of internal results from the sub? Also, you still plan to run a AYP after WM?
To be honest I'm not sure exactly what benefits I've received. That may be due to the naturaliser or no actual changes. There have been the noticeable ones that I've journalled previously but that's really it. I did get benefits from AM internally but only a few changes have been big and a lot has fizzled out.
I'd probably benefit from another run through but I don't know when I'll do that..perhaps next year.
Yes still planning to do ayp's.
(02-08-2015, 03:57 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]My inner attitudes and beliefs are hugely improved and I'm not the negative, self loathing individual I used to be. My self improvement has been nothing short of miraculous and I can see, absolutely, why it's essential to run through AM6 first.
The current female situation is I have no women yet, although AM has increased the looks and attention I get from them. I get a lot of inquisitive looks from women in general, often long side looks while they're doing something or talking to someone else, or passing them in the street and it's very obvious and no it's not my imagination either! I seem to have a curiosity in the eyes of women these days 
(05-29-2015, 08:17 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]Stage 4 day 15
Really wanting to pack this sub in now. I don't feel it's going to produce the goods and I'm just wasting time when I could be doing an AYP instead.
I don't feel great and I'm getting moody and resentful of people who have what I don't.
Just not getting any female attention I would expect and definitly no manifestations..total crap :@:@
Man I completely agree with how you're feeling; the frustration, the anger and disappointment. I get it. I just want you to read your first post on this thread that I quoted. You stuck through AM6 and you got results.
You have a lot of resentment right now and I get it. Why don't you look within introspectively and ask WHY you have the resentment? Are you the kind of guy to just be envious and HATE people? If not then why is that resentment there? Where is it stemming from? Since you ran AM6, you are familiar with resistance and looking at the profound meaning of negative emotions that come up, isn't this the same? You also know that progress and results for everyone varies because different people are at different points in their lives and got different issues to work through.
You also mentioned in stage 2 of WM that you want to experience life and different things but is resentful of the fact that you're stuck with the same people that tire you and the same social venues with no variety. Have you taken action to change this? Have you tried socializing with different people, expanding your social circle, thus, your possibilities of running into more and more women? What I'm about to mention may or may not be the case with you here, one thing I came to realize about myself is that whatever I find that was supposed to help me starting from self-help books, pua to now subs, is that I tend to RELY on them waaay too much. I don't put in the effort myself and think these things will magically change everything. After reading the journals here and some introspection I realized you NEED to put in the effort, put yourself out there into different social situations so that the sub can help you and the sub would be self-fulfilling because of the references it gets from the experiences. So now I've begun to take action, even if it's the smallest thing and it's working well with the sub. Every day I've been out and socialized so far, I always have something that I suddenly realize, be it changes, things that I need to focus, or an experience that helped solidify the programming from the sub.
I'm just giving you things to think about bro. You've come a long way to just drop it and give up now. YOU GOT THIS! Keep going
(05-30-2015, 12:11 PM)QuantumEnthusiast Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2015, 03:57 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]My inner attitudes and beliefs are hugely improved and I'm not the negative, self loathing individual I used to be. My self improvement has been nothing short of miraculous and I can see, absolutely, why it's essential to run through AM6 first.
The current female situation is I have no women yet, although AM has increased the looks and attention I get from them. I get a lot of inquisitive looks from women in general, often long side looks while they're doing something or talking to someone else, or passing them in the street and it's very obvious and no it's not my imagination either! I seem to have a curiosity in the eyes of women these days
(05-29-2015, 08:17 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]Stage 4 day 15
Really wanting to pack this sub in now. I don't feel it's going to produce the goods and I'm just wasting time when I could be doing an AYP instead.
I don't feel great and I'm getting moody and resentful of people who have what I don't.
Just not getting any female attention I would expect and definitly no manifestations..total crap :@:@
Man I completely agree with how you're feeling; the frustration, the anger and disappointment. I get it. I just want you to read your first post on this thread that I quoted. You stuck through AM6 and you got results.
You have a lot of resentment right now and I get it. Why don't you look within introspectively and ask WHY you have the resentment? Are you the kind of guy to just be envious and HATE people? If not then why is that resentment there? Where is it stemming from? Since you ran AM6, you are familiar with resistance and looking at the profound meaning of negative emotions that come up, isn't this the same? You also know that progress and results for everyone varies because different people are at different points in their lives and got different issues to work through.
You also mentioned in stage 2 of WM that you want to experience life and different things but is resentful of the fact that you're stuck with the same people that tire you and the same social venues with no variety. Have you taken action to change this? Have you tried socializing with different people, expanding your social circle, thus, your possibilities of running into more and more women? What I'm about to mention may or may not be the case with you here, one thing I came to realize about myself is that whatever I find that was supposed to help me starting from self-help books, pua to now subs, is that I tend to RELY on them waaay too much. I don't put in the effort myself and think these things will magically change everything. After reading the journals here and some introspection I realized you NEED to put in the effort, put yourself out there into different social situations so that the sub can help you and the sub would be self-fulfilling because of the references it gets from the experiences. So now I've begun to take action, even if it's the smallest thing and it's working well with the sub. Every day I've been out and socialized so far, I always have something that I suddenly realize, be it changes, things that I need to focus, or an experience that helped solidify the programming from the sub.
I'm just giving you things to think about bro. You've come a long way to just drop it and give up now. YOU GOT THIS! Keep going
It maybe resistance but I'm not convinced that putting failures down to "resistance" is a fair thing to do. I have followed all the instructions exactly and I expected more action by now.
I did get some good results with AM and I will run it again but the crunch seems to come from getting external results, which is the biggest reason why you would buy a magnet programme. I didn't get any new friends from AM either.
I do get myself out and about but being in a small town it's hard to find new faces. I have many online profiles on dating sites which I purposely set up before doing WM so there would be 'outlets' for women to come into my life. I have had some offers on these sites but it's a toss up between "Aunty" or "Granny" if you know what I mean. Neither of which is acceptable especially when you are running a $500 sub that is supposed to attract "Beautiful Single Women".
I will certainly keep going as I've come this far. Who knows I may be inundated with beautiful women next week..lol
Hi Ricardo,
I remember Shannon saying that if a person doesn't feel they got the max benefit out of AM, then they won't do so on a magnet, as the AM foundation is paramount to the magnet program's success. That's why I always tell guys to be HONEST about where they're at with AM bulletpoints, don't BS themselves just because they're impatient and want to do a magnet to "get all the girls" etc. etc. which with that kind of impatient, short sighted thinking is PROOF they don't have AM mastery, but moving on...It's self-defeatist because if AM mastery isn't there, the magnet will likely fail anyway. So in reality, it's best to make sure the AM foundation is strong beforehand to have the best success. I really planned months ahead to discipline myself to get as many hours as AM in as possible, to make sure I had a strong enough foundation to run SM3 successfully.
I think in this case, it may be that the AM foundation isn't as strong as you thought or would like it to be. In fact, a lot of words that I've read have said as much. I think an AM redo asap would really help you out and help WM2 do it's job. Depending on how my SM3 run goes, I've already mentally committed myself to a rerun if needed. If I don't do reruns of AM6/SM3, I'll be doing OED or TM or BAMM 2.0 if I'm approved, starting in October. Doing a manifest sub before you're at your best may make you grow out of the partner once you start growing again. That's if those programs even work, which I'm pretty skeptical of...But anyway, back on point...remember man, we're all on a journey here, some guys get quick gains, other don't, we'll all get there if we stick to it, be honest about how you're getting on, commit yourself to the belief that a rerun is always a good thing as you get more from the program each time, and many of us need up to 3 runs to make it as permanent as possible, and you'll be fine!
(05-31-2015, 02:16 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Ricardo,
I remember Shannon saying that if a person doesn't feel they got the max benefit out of AM, then they won't do so on a magnet, as the AM foundation is paramount to the magnet program's success. That's why I always tell guys to be HONEST about where they're at with AM bulletpoints, don't BS themselves just because they're impatient and want to do a magnet to "get all the girls" etc. etc. which with that kind of impatient, short sighted thinking is PROOF they don't have AM mastery, but moving on...It's self-defeatist because if AM mastery isn't there, the magnet will likely fail anyway. So in reality, it's best to make sure the AM foundation is strong beforehand to have the best success. I really planned months ahead to discipline myself to get as many hours as AM in as possible, to make sure I had a strong enough foundation to run SM3 successfully.
I think in this case, it may be that the AM foundation isn't as strong as you thought or would like it to be. In fact, a lot of words that I've read have said as much. I think an AM redo asap would really help you out and help WM2 do it's job. Depending on how my SM3 run goes, I've already mentally committed myself to a rerun if needed. If I don't do reruns of AM6/SM3, I'll be doing OED or TM or BAMM 2.0 if I'm approved, starting in October. Doing a manifest sub before you're at your best may make you grow out of the partner once you start growing again. That's if those programs even work, which I'm pretty skeptical of...But anyway, back on point...remember man, we're all on a journey here, some guys get quick gains, other don't, we'll all get there if we stick to it, be honest about how you're getting on, commit yourself to the belief that a rerun is always a good thing as you get more from the program each time, and many of us need up to 3 runs to make it as permanent as possible, and you'll be fine!
No I think the weak foundation argument is also wrong. AM gave me a lot of internal improvements and doing the last stage of it, I felt that there wasn't much more I could get out of it. AM changed me in a lot of ways all for the better and my foundation was strong. It's still good but some of the minor effects seem to have gone off. AYP's don't require this "foundation" so there's no reason why manifestations shouldn't happen. I will run both AM and WM again but from my experience of their effects I don't want to be single when I do
(06-01-2015, 09:08 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]No I think the weak foundation argument is also wrong. AM gave me a lot of internal improvements and doing the last stage of it, I felt that there wasn't much more I could get out of it. AM changed me in a lot of ways all for the better and my foundation was strong. It's still good but some of the minor effects seem to have gone off. AYP's don't require this "foundation" so there's no reason why manifestations shouldn't happen. I will run both AM and WM again but from my experience of their effects I don't want to be single when I do
It isn't an "argument" friend, it's from Shannon himself. Giving you a lot of changes (which is subjective and vague), is different than total, permanent mastery of the program. Your periods of negativity and insecurity point to your AM foundation not being as strong as you may think. Any program used until it's strong will likely be built on shaky ground I fear. Remember, even Shannon has said he's had to do many runs of AM before it became entrenched, some need more, there's zero shame in it. Plus, the magnet's success or failure largely rests on AM's foundation beforehand as he's said before.
I wasn't talking about AYP for foundation, I never made that connection...I said in the terms of *growth*. If you GROW after, by using other subs, then you change, and that person may not be the "perfect" person anymore. That's also been discussed before by Shannon. So using an AYP before you've done several runs of AM, WM or whatever, may not give you the result you think it will in the end.
In the end, you'll do what you will, I just didn't want you to shortchange yourself, mate.
(05-31-2015, 12:51 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2015, 12:11 PM)QuantumEnthusiast Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2015, 03:57 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]My inner attitudes and beliefs are hugely improved and I'm not the negative, self loathing individual I used to be. My self improvement has been nothing short of miraculous and I can see, absolutely, why it's essential to run through AM6 first.
The current female situation is I have no women yet, although AM has increased the looks and attention I get from them. I get a lot of inquisitive looks from women in general, often long side looks while they're doing something or talking to someone else, or passing them in the street and it's very obvious and no it's not my imagination either! I seem to have a curiosity in the eyes of women these days
(05-29-2015, 08:17 AM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]Stage 4 day 15
Really wanting to pack this sub in now. I don't feel it's going to produce the goods and I'm just wasting time when I could be doing an AYP instead.
I don't feel great and I'm getting moody and resentful of people who have what I don't.
Just not getting any female attention I would expect and definitly no manifestations..total crap :@:@
Man I completely agree with how you're feeling; the frustration, the anger and disappointment. I get it. I just want you to read your first post on this thread that I quoted. You stuck through AM6 and you got results.
You have a lot of resentment right now and I get it. Why don't you look within introspectively and ask WHY you have the resentment? Are you the kind of guy to just be envious and HATE people? If not then why is that resentment there? Where is it stemming from? Since you ran AM6, you are familiar with resistance and looking at the profound meaning of negative emotions that come up, isn't this the same? You also know that progress and results for everyone varies because different people are at different points in their lives and got different issues to work through.
You also mentioned in stage 2 of WM that you want to experience life and different things but is resentful of the fact that you're stuck with the same people that tire you and the same social venues with no variety. Have you taken action to change this? Have you tried socializing with different people, expanding your social circle, thus, your possibilities of running into more and more women? What I'm about to mention may or may not be the case with you here, one thing I came to realize about myself is that whatever I find that was supposed to help me starting from self-help books, pua to now subs, is that I tend to RELY on them waaay too much. I don't put in the effort myself and think these things will magically change everything. After reading the journals here and some introspection I realized you NEED to put in the effort, put yourself out there into different social situations so that the sub can help you and the sub would be self-fulfilling because of the references it gets from the experiences. So now I've begun to take action, even if it's the smallest thing and it's working well with the sub. Every day I've been out and socialized so far, I always have something that I suddenly realize, be it changes, things that I need to focus, or an experience that helped solidify the programming from the sub.
I'm just giving you things to think about bro. You've come a long way to just drop it and give up now. YOU GOT THIS! Keep going
It maybe resistance but I'm not convinced that putting failures down to "resistance" is a fair thing to do. I have followed all the instructions exactly and I expected more action by now.
I did get some good results with AM and I will run it again but the crunch seems to come from getting external results, which is the biggest reason why you would buy a magnet programme. I didn't get any new friends from AM either.
I do get myself out and about but being in a small town it's hard to find new faces. I have many online profiles on dating sites which I purposely set up before doing WM so there would be 'outlets' for women to come into my life. I have had some offers on these sites but it's a toss up between "Aunty" or "Granny" if you know what I mean. Neither of which is acceptable especially when you are running a $500 sub that is supposed to attract "Beautiful Single Women".
I will certainly keep going as I've come this far. Who knows I may be inundated with beautiful women next week..lol
You're right it isn't. If I was making posts that conveyed the things some of your posts did, and I don't realize it myself, I'd want someone to point out that I've still got things that I need to work on before moving to the Magnets. Maybe the rest of the bit in WM will clear those things out for you, so there is still hope.
As Catman mentioned, getting good results doesn't imply that you've dealt with everything that is to be worked on, unless you can tick off at least 95% of the things mentioned that AM6 or any sub is supposed to achieve. This is why I personally wouldn't run a magnet simply after one run of AM6, even if I feel like it has given me a lot of improvements, I'd run it at least one more time just to solidify the programming. I look at it as, I'd get the best most permanent results and improvements by using it as much as I can till I'm hundred percent certain I've ticked off everything it's supposed to achieve and that I'm not seeing any more changes at all.
"I do get myself out and about but being in a small town it's hard to find new faces.", I don't know if you realize that this is a HUGE setback man. If you're already limited in the sense where you're subjected to the same people, same interactions and nothing new, how can you grow? If I were you and wanted to expand my social circle, meet new people women, and have new experiences, I'd first work on moving to a location that would greatly open up the opportunities for me to have those things. It's like this, if you are in school and in your classroom it's the same faces, same interactions and you can't expect that to change; yes, maybe a new student might join but what are the chances of that? Now let's say, you finish your class and go out of the class, as soon as you step out of the class room BOOM, the number of opportunities and access to different experiences increase DRAMATICALLY; way more people to talk to, way more girls, way more experiences like trying a new sport, club or activity and more opportunities for growth. I invite you to think about it.
Stage 4 day 24
Not much to report other than I'm feeling a lot better within myself. That last negative/jealous streak has passed and the neediness has subsided. Now I'm feeling the opposite and feel like congratulating guys with nice women
Sex drive is back up
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I've also been toying with the idea of going back to London to work. Although it's not ideal financially there are more opportunities for women there. When I think of the "Beautiful Single Women" motto and the explanation of "only those women that are available to you" I look around and there's just nothing like that where I am now, so it seems almost pointless running an attraction sub with those limitations.
I was thinking of trying SM after reading Catman's last update but then I thought that's not what I really want. My most pressing desire is a nice woman in my life then once I've got that I can focus on more money/success orientated stuff. It's not looking for validation or a case of "You're nobody until someone loves you". I'm just fed having been single for years. The AYP wealthy lover is my ultimate love goal but some type of "perfect" while waiting for her would be needed. I would expect to run the Wealthy Lover one for a good year.
I really don't want to run AM and a magnet while I'm still single. The masculinity and the testosterone increases I got in AM and the huge increase in sex drive in WM just a made them miserable to do being single.
Quote:I really don't want to run AM and a magnet while I'm still single.
Wow man, when you run AM while you still single this is where you will see obvious change.
1st time run AM, I still have gf, 2nd time running AM, I breakup.
And 2nd time running AM everyday myself just getting better and better, I'm stage 4 day 15 right now, and I experience many great things manifested into my life!
Btw, what will you do after running this subs? If I were you, I will run AM again, I love this sub.
(06-07-2015, 05:21 AM)GlaizenGold777 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I really don't want to run AM and a magnet while I'm still single.
Wow man, when you run AM while you still single this is where you will see obvious change.
1st time run AM, I still have gf, 2nd time running AM, I breakup.
And 2nd time running AM everyday myself just getting better and better, I'm stage 4 day 15 right now, and I experience many great things manifested into my life!
Btw, what will you do after running this subs? If I were you, I will run AM again, I love this sub.
Don't forget we are all affected differently by these subs and all I know is that I don't want to do them again while single.
It will definitely be one of the AYP's, most probably sexual lover or one of the hair colours..just not sure yet.
I don't understand why you don't want to do a sub while single. What happens when you see a girl you really like, but can't attract her because you haven't developed yourself with subs enough to be able to actually HAVE this relationship you want so badly? What happens when you somehow find a girl despite not developing yourself through subs, grow out of her through subs since you only want to use subs in a relationship, and then you have to dump her anyway? Doesn't it make more sense to develop yourself as much as possible BEFORE finding a girl so you can attract and keep the best one you can find?
I really think you need to do AM6 again asap to clear out all the negativity and restrictive mindsets. Honestly, it cleared a ton of garbage from me in my first go and really laid a solid foundation for SM3 and beyond. It's probably the best overall program a man can use. Also, going back to London may be a real good move. I cringed when I read how you left your job in the city and went to that new small place with no people around etc. I knew how it'd end...I know what it's like to grow and change in a small town, I've done that in the past, you run out of room to grow into pretty quickly.
(06-07-2015, 11:17 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand why you don't want to do a sub while single. What happens when you see a girl you really like, but can't attract her because you haven't developed yourself with subs enough to be able to actually HAVE this relationship you want so badly? What happens when you somehow find a girl despite not developing yourself through subs, grow out of her through subs since you only want to use subs in a relationship, and then you have to dump her anyway? Doesn't it make more sense to develop yourself as much as possible BEFORE finding a girl so you can attract and keep the best one you can find?
I was only referring to AM and WM when I said about running subs while single. I may only need need another run or I may need two of each. AYP's don't require a foundation so they should work if I run them long enough.
(06-07-2015, 11:17 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Also, going back to London may be a real good move. I cringed when I read how you left your job in the city and went to that new small place with no people around etc. I knew how it'd end...I know what it's like to grow and change in a small town, I've done that in the past, you run out of room to grow into pretty quickly.
Yes another one of those life lesson's about money not being everything. I realised how much I'd grown away from the small town guy part as soon as I started the new place. I'm financially laughing but socially and spiritually broke.
(06-07-2015, 12:40 PM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]I was only referring to AM and WM when I said about running subs while single. I may only need need another run or I may need two of each. AYP's don't require a foundation so they should work if I run them long enough.
You seem to be misunderstanding me again. Like I said before, I am not referring to *foundation* with AYP, I never made that connection...I'm saying you will grow out of her if you only use an AYP while single and then switch to AM and WM in a relationship, and she won't be as high quality than if you did at least another run of AM and WM to build yourself up more first. It doesn't make sense to stop doing those programs while single, and then only doing them in a relationship. You really seem to need at least one more AM run, it'd help you with this type of thinking a lot. Plus, doing an AYP this prematurely and putting in an odd new rule of not doing AM and WM while single and only doing them in a relationship and only doing AYP asap while single seems like neediness and impatience to me at a minimum, and you're at risk of shortchanging yourself mate. And doing it in a small area may make it fail also, those kinds of programs probably have higher success rates in big cities for obvious reasons.
Think of an AYP as the final sub someone would run, after a few AM and WM runs, and really want someone special. But only AFTER they've done the work to develop themselves, so it's a very high quality woman. And not just a woman of the moment, that they will then grow out of due to AM and WM only being used in a relationship for some reason, because they used AYP very early and were too needy for a woman (which suggests the AM foundation needs to be worked on a lot, mind you) and impatient (more of the same) and didn't want to spend the extra time to develop themselves first. Which one would you rather be at the end? And when you're done doing AM and WM a few more times, will you even NEED an AYP to get a woman? I'm betting no!
With what I see so far, and the negativity etc. many times, I really think another AM6 run asap is needed and will really serve you and help clear out a lot of this stuff. I feel this post is pretty much the same as the other one...maybe the point of the first post was missed somewhat. I won't go any further on this subject, it's your choice what to run. I don't want to "convince" you to do AM6, I'm just giving an honest, 3rd party view of what I see and how that rule of yours won't work well and will hold you back in growth since you won't use AM or WM while single for some reason or the rule can even hurt you due to the impending breakup from your growth. And why it speaks of neediness and impatience to me. If none of this is getting through, then fair enough, run your AYP asap. In the end, it's your choice, do what you will, mate.