Subliminal Talk

I only did 2 stages, but I was happy with my attitude changes. Which become really pronounced after stopping and going to Ideal Weight.

Can't make many more comments. I hope you can work it out and improve.

Oh and Ryan, do you know the link to Brent's forum? Is it just his VIP forum that costs like $700 for the course? Or is there a free one?

-Ben

(01-25-2012, 06:17 PM)woceyes Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to hear that Mastercheif but good to know spiral and i are not the only ones having difficulties. Didn't mean to write a book Mastercheif on your topic. Yes you spelt my name right.

I have been working on self improvement related to women long before i came here or even before i did Cory's stuff. In fact i did a lot of things through Eric disco way of teaching on approach anxiety. Ryan you know this as we talk all the time. Rainbow Your looking at our results through your perspective, you are also assuming a lot about us, we all do this to a point.

Also just because i am a virgin dose not mean i have never had women chasing me or offering to have sex with me. In fact after this set i realized just how many did since high school. This set pretty much made me feel really narcissistic. i had better results just on the flirt sub or aura of sexiness sub. Obviously i did not have sex with any of the girls that begged me in my past. I had plenty of women on this set eye me like a piece of meat but a lot of them i wasn't sexually attracted to and the ones that i am are married. I felt no drive or motivation to actually go have sex with any of them.

My expectations were not high on the sub. I never let my self get hyped up either for things, better to keep a level head vs high expectations about what "should" come from things. Do i have cool people wanting to hang out with me?.. yeah more so then i thought i would. Do i have guys creeping me out?.. yeah i get stared at by dudes yeah some are just in shock on how awesome i am and others are wanting me. Did my brain melt from the subs/resistance and had a total melt down? maybe im not sure

all and all Shannon you make awesome products. I will buy 2.0 and run it, ill have better luck next time.

I think, based on my own past behavior and what you describe matching really well, that what happened for you was resistance in large part, and it was manifesting in your refusal to accept what was coming to you for whatever reason. I am extremely picky about who I will have sex with in certain ways, and I typically refuse 8 or 9 offers of taking things beyond friendship for every one I accept, and then refuse 3 out of 4 offers of sex from there. But it's me, my choice. I accept that I am very particular and it has always been true that my typical pattern is to go a few years single and wandering through the desert sexually, and then have a flash flood, so to speak, which results in one or more women with whom I go crazy sexually and usually have a LTR out of the deal for the next few years.

You got results, but you refused them. I think that has a lot to do with you being a virgin, if you still are, in the sense that if you are a virgin for the reasons I was up until I lost mine, you're simply uncomfortable opening up that much to women because of trust issues and sensitive emotions. Sex for me is not a toy, and I have to consider the emotional impact it has on me, which is why I am so particular about who I will have sex with. Some of my friends tease me about being like a woman that way, but it is what it is.

As for guys wanting you... well, guys want me too. I think it's got to do in large part with the fact that an exceptional (and exceptionally valuable/attractive man) is going to attract the attention of those people who will be attracted to what he represents, and sometimes that will be men as well as women.

Version 2.0 is aimed at creating a more specific aura of "I'm heterosexual, don't pursue me if you're male".

Your right Woycese I was assessing your SM success from my standards mostly and partially based off what it sounded like you wanted and just were not getting. If you felt and/or experience positive results then the set as a success for you that is all that matters.

I get the same thing shannon my friends always tell me im to picky and don't give the women who are attracted to me a chance.

Rainbow i do aperciate your adivice man.

(01-26-2012, 06:37 AM)woceyes Wrote: [ -> ]I get the same thing shannon my friends always tell me im to picky and don't give the women who are attracted to me a chance.

Rainbow i do aperciate your adivice man.

I noticed that the Alpha Set made me extremely picky in my choice of women as well. I'm sorry, but if I'm not attracted to you then I see no real reason to have sex with you unless I'm just looking for fun.

Woceyes, did you go through AM2011 or 2010? I'm sorry, but it's hard to keep up with what everyone's doing around here.

(01-25-2012, 02:46 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]That is disappointing, Masterchief, but I suspect that what's happening is that you're simply needing the same thing I needed, which was more than one cycle of run-throughs on alpha and SM. Each run through raises you as much as you are ready for.

The phenomenon of attracting males has been dealt with much more strongly in 2.0, though. What you were attracting was probably either a bisexual guy or a guy who identified internally as a female. The wording in 2.0 should prevent even them from doing anything but offering help and support out of admiration.

I am running through SM 2.0 Beta 1 right now for the first time, and am about a month in, and when I did 1.0 I got to Stage 3 before I had to give up because of the trip I was on forcing me to have no electrical access for days and even weeks at a time. During the 2 stages of 1.0 it attracted three women into my life whom I could have slept with, and one whom I did start a relationship with that included sex. All of them older than me, interestingly enough.

Since starting Beta 1 of SM 2.0, I have been really impressed with the (very obvious) results it's having on me personally, although I am working so much that I have had maybe 1.5 hours in the last month to be out in social situations. During that 1.5 hours, I had three women expressing serious IOIs, two of them taken (one sitting next to her husband and giving me very blatant "Please come open me" signals), and I got the waitress to give me her phone number without me directly asking for it.

I know these programs work, because some of the guys are getting the intended results, which can only mean that some users will simply need to ramp up further than others. However, your situation does fit the requirements for a refund if you'd like one. We want you to be happy with what you purchase from us, especially the big stuff.

My advice would be to run through AM and then SM a time or two more before you make final judgement, and my suggestion is that you use this opportunity to get a copy of SM 2.0 for that to help with the apparently interested males. I could send you a copy of 2.0 instead of a refund, also, which is a better deal for you as it fixes the males approaching and saves you some money, as 2.0 is going to be around $206 a copy.

I'm glad the wording is altered, as offering help and support out of admiration sounds a lot better. One of the guys could have been bisexual. The supermarket guy was 50 and not married, could be in indicator although not an accurate one.

I don't think I could run SM1.0 again. Thanks for the offer of SM2.0. I am generally am happy with my purchases from you, even though it seems it is either hit or miss with some of the subs. So far I've done:

Overcome Procrastination which was a miss
Alpha Male 2010 which was a hit
Sex Magnet which was a miss

I am not sure about doing future Sex Magnets, the results seem too polar. If I did it again and got the same results, I would be kicking myself. I think you shot yourself in the foot, by making too many interesting programs.

Right now I am starting, what you recommended me a while back. Ultra Success with Become A Successful Entrepreneur, and run them for 6 months.

By then I think it would be time to get my love life sorted, can't stay an unsocial hermit all the time. I got the Ideal Romantic/sexual lover subs, and will give them a run, to see how they compare.

After that I think it would be about time to do Alpha Male 5.0. Since the last one I did would be the 2010. And then the SM, by then it will be probably be SM3.0. At least it will give me a chance to see, the kind of results people are having with SM2.0.

(01-25-2012, 06:17 PM)woceyes Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to hear that Mastercheif but good to know spiral and i are not the only ones having difficulties. Didn't mean to write a book Mastercheif on your topic. Yes you spelt my name right.

I have been working on self improvement related to women long before i came here or even before i did Cory's stuff. In fact i did a lot of things through Eric disco way of teaching on approach anxiety. Ryan you know this as we talk all the time. Rainbow Your looking at our results through your perspective, you are also assuming a lot about us, we all do this to a point.

Also just because i am a virgin dose not mean i have never had women chasing me or offering to have sex with me. In fact after this set i realized just how many did since high school. This set pretty much made me feel really narcissistic. i had better results just on the flirt sub or aura of sexiness sub. Obviously i did not have sex with any of the girls that begged me in my past. I had plenty of women on this set eye me like a piece of meat but a lot of them i wasn't sexually attracted to and the ones that i am are married. I felt no drive or motivation to actually go have sex with any of them.

My expectations were not high on the sub. I never let my self get hyped up either for things, better to keep a level head vs high expectations about what "should" come from things. Do i have cool people wanting to hang out with me?.. yeah more so then i thought i would. Do i have guys creeping me out?.. yeah i get stared at by dudes yeah some are just in shock on how awesome i am and others are wanting me. Did my brain melt from the subs/resistance and had a total melt down? maybe im not sure

all and all Shannon you make awesome products. I will buy 2.0 and run it, ill have better luck next time.

I remember Eric Disco. Was that approachanxiety.com or something like that. They used to use a lot of cartoons of Japanese anime girls on their site.

I read your posts about your usage of the flirt sub and aura of sexiness, and I got them in the ridiculous sale about two weeks ago. your results seemed to be quite impressive.

What's next for you? Are you going to be doing any romance related subs or concentrating on something else? Don't know if you did AM2010, but you'd know what a total melt down would be like

You don't have to answer this if you don't want to but, are there any religious reasons for rejecting any girls that may have been interested in you? If you want to chat dude, then shoot me a PM. It can be quite frustrating, when nothing seems to happening and when it does you sabotage yourself. Been there done that.

The "hit or miss" pattern you seem to have suggests you have a combination of a strong will and strong personality, and a strong subconscious fear concerning socializing and possibly sex or seduction masterchief. It sounds like you are resisting the programs more than that they aren't working. Perhaps we need to find a more basic approach for you to deal with the core issues that would appear to be blocking your successes.

(01-26-2012, 07:56 AM)Masterchief Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2012, 02:46 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]That is disappointing, Masterchief, but I suspect that what's happening is that you're simply needing the same thing I needed, which was more than one cycle of run-throughs on alpha and SM. Each run through raises you as much as you are ready for.

The phenomenon of attracting males has been dealt with much more strongly in 2.0, though. What you were attracting was probably either a bisexual guy or a guy who identified internally as a female. The wording in 2.0 should prevent even them from doing anything but offering help and support out of admiration.

I am running through SM 2.0 Beta 1 right now for the first time, and am about a month in, and when I did 1.0 I got to Stage 3 before I had to give up because of the trip I was on forcing me to have no electrical access for days and even weeks at a time. During the 2 stages of 1.0 it attracted three women into my life whom I could have slept with, and one whom I did start a relationship with that included sex. All of them older than me, interestingly enough.

Since starting Beta 1 of SM 2.0, I have been really impressed with the (very obvious) results it's having on me personally, although I am working so much that I have had maybe 1.5 hours in the last month to be out in social situations. During that 1.5 hours, I had three women expressing serious IOIs, two of them taken (one sitting next to her husband and giving me very blatant "Please come open me" signals), and I got the waitress to give me her phone number without me directly asking for it.

I know these programs work, because some of the guys are getting the intended results, which can only mean that some users will simply need to ramp up further than others. However, your situation does fit the requirements for a refund if you'd like one. We want you to be happy with what you purchase from us, especially the big stuff.

My advice would be to run through AM and then SM a time or two more before you make final judgement, and my suggestion is that you use this opportunity to get a copy of SM 2.0 for that to help with the apparently interested males. I could send you a copy of 2.0 instead of a refund, also, which is a better deal for you as it fixes the males approaching and saves you some money, as 2.0 is going to be around $206 a copy.

I'm glad the wording is altered, as offering help and support out of admiration sounds a lot better. One of the guys could have been bisexual. The supermarket guy was 50 and not married, could be in indicator although not an accurate one.

I don't think I could run SM1.0 again. Thanks for the offer of SM2.0. I am generally am happy with my purchases from you, even though it seems it is either hit or miss with some of the subs. So far I've done:

Overcome Procrastination which was a miss
Alpha Male 2010 which was a hit
Sex Magnet which was a miss

I am not sure about doing future Sex Magnets, the results seem too polar. If I did it again and got the same results, I would be kicking myself. I think you shot yourself in the foot, by making too many interesting programs.

Right now I am starting, what you recommended me a while back. Ultra Success with Become A Successful Entrepreneur, and run them for 6 months.

By then I think it would be time to get my love life sorted, can't stay an unsocial hermit all the time. I got the Ideal Romantic/sexual lover subs, and will give them a run, to see how they compare.

After that I think it would be about time to do Alpha Male 5.0. Since the last one I did would be the 2010. And then the SM, by then it will be probably be SM3.0. At least it will give me a chance to see, the kind of results people are having with SM2.0.

(01-25-2012, 06:17 PM)woceyes Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to hear that Mastercheif but good to know spiral and i are not the only ones having difficulties. Didn't mean to write a book Mastercheif on your topic. Yes you spelt my name right.

I have been working on self improvement related to women long before i came here or even before i did Cory's stuff. In fact i did a lot of things through Eric disco way of teaching on approach anxiety. Ryan you know this as we talk all the time. Rainbow Your looking at our results through your perspective, you are also assuming a lot about us, we all do this to a point.

Also just because i am a virgin dose not mean i have never had women chasing me or offering to have sex with me. In fact after this set i realized just how many did since high school. This set pretty much made me feel really narcissistic. i had better results just on the flirt sub or aura of sexiness sub. Obviously i did not have sex with any of the girls that begged me in my past. I had plenty of women on this set eye me like a piece of meat but a lot of them i wasn't sexually attracted to and the ones that i am are married. I felt no drive or motivation to actually go have sex with any of them.

My expectations were not high on the sub. I never let my self get hyped up either for things, better to keep a level head vs high expectations about what "should" come from things. Do i have cool people wanting to hang out with me?.. yeah more so then i thought i would. Do i have guys creeping me out?.. yeah i get stared at by dudes yeah some are just in shock on how awesome i am and others are wanting me. Did my brain melt from the subs/resistance and had a total melt down? maybe im not sure

all and all Shannon you make awesome products. I will buy 2.0 and run it, ill have better luck next time.

I remember Eric Disco. Was that approachanxiety.com or something like that. They used to use a lot of cartoons of Japanese anime girls on their site.

I read your posts about your usage of the flirt sub and aura of sexiness, and I got them in the ridiculous sale about two weeks ago. your results seemed to be quite impressive.

What's next for you? Are you going to be doing any romance related subs or concentrating on something else? Don't know if you did AM2010, but you'd know what a total melt down would be like

You don't have to answer this if you don't want to but, are there any religious reasons for rejecting any girls that may have been interested in you? If you want to chat dude, then shoot me a PM. It can be quite frustrating, when nothing seems to happening and when it does you sabotage yourself. Been there done that.

The one and the same approach anxiety, Eric stuff has helped me a lot. Right now i am doing "everything is possible" sub. So far it has been working pretty good. Yeah i did alpha male 2010, had some rough patched in there as well. My roughest moment in Sm was stage 1.

ill pm you dude about the last question i don't want to break Shannon's rules.

(01-26-2012, 11:55 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]The "hit or miss" pattern you seem to have suggests you have a combination of a strong will and strong personality, and a strong subconscious fear concerning socializing and possibly sex or seduction masterchief. It sounds like you are resisting the programs more than that they aren't working. Perhaps we need to find a more basic approach for you to deal with the core issues that would appear to be blocking your successes.

I don't meant to derail the thread but I also kind of experience some sort of fear concerning socializing and sex. I grew up thinking that sex is kind of bad and I can only practice it if I married a girl. (Yeah I have a Disney fantasy!). Slowly I am letting go of this thinking.

I haven't tried Sex Magnet and correct me if I'm wrong but it probably has a lot more to do with first having a subconscious mind who can take it. A man who shows and deeply internalize that he deserves getting as many sex from beautiful women as he wants.

(01-26-2012, 06:47 PM)woceyes Wrote: [ -> ]The one and the same approach anxiety, Eric stuff has helped me a lot. Right now i am doing "everything is possible" sub. So far it has been working pretty good. Yeah i did alpha male 2010, had some rough patched in there as well. My roughest moment in Sm was stage 1.

It seems that a lot of guys here are also browsers of approachanxiety.com
I also like Eric Disco and his stuff.

that sense of deserving definitely is where it is all at-I don't know if its addressed in
Sex Magnet specifically/directly-but I agree that that sense of entitlement-or at least never
questioning why you deserve what you want with woman-means your going to be the guy with the ridiculously hot girl while every one else is wondering why you deserve her

(03-11-2012, 11:17 PM)Javier Gerardo Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2012, 11:55 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]The "hit or miss" pattern you seem to have suggests you have a combination of a strong will and strong personality, and a strong subconscious fear concerning socializing and possibly sex or seduction masterchief. It sounds like you are resisting the programs more than that they aren't working. Perhaps we need to find a more basic approach for you to deal with the core issues that would appear to be blocking your successes.

I don't meant to derail the thread but I also kind of experience some sort of fear concerning socializing and sex. I grew up thinking that sex is kind of bad and I can only practice it if I married a girl. (Yeah I have a Disney fantasy!). Slowly I am letting go of this thinking.

I haven't tried Sex Magnet and correct me if I'm wrong but it probably has a lot more to do with first having a subconscious mind who can take it. A man who shows and deeply internalize that he deserves getting as many sex from beautiful women as he wants.

(01-26-2012, 06:47 PM)woceyes Wrote: [ -> ]The one and the same approach anxiety, Eric stuff has helped me a lot. Right now i am doing "everything is possible" sub. So far it has been working pretty good. Yeah i did alpha male 2010, had some rough patched in there as well. My roughest moment in Sm was stage 1.

It seems that a lot of guys here are also browsers of approachanxiety.com
I also like Eric Disco and his stuff.

The point of using Sex Magnet after Alpha is that Alpha provides a strong base for it. It clears away a lot of negativity, and it helps build that sense of deservedness.

If you were raised to believe no sex before marriage, chances are you have a lot of guilt/shame/fear programming to work through. This can definitely work against you while using Sex Magnet. Ideally, you should have gone through all six stages of Alpha Male within 30 months of starting Sex Magnet so the effects are fresh in your mind still and can fully be used as a basis upon which to build.

Well, I am doing a 3 week per stage refresher of SM2. Currently I am almost done with stage 4 refresher. Thus far I have not reached the ultimate objective, which is to continuously have Sex. In fact, I have not had any while on SM2. I haven't had any obvious out of the norm attractions either. I had more success with AM2011. I will say that it has worked as far as being non needy and it has definitely helped as far as having a slight ED problem. As such I feel much more confident in that area. Also, Sex drive has increased. So, it is not totally ineffective. As such I won't ask for a refund. Anyways, there are still two stages to go to in my second run refresher. So we'll see what happens. And for those who want to respond with its probably resistance, I'll probably bite your head off because I know that could be it. Plus I read many of the other possible reasons. I am not looking for feedback. Just giving my observations. I will continue to work at it even along the lines of doing a 3rd refresh run through if necessary and if I am up to it.

Hope you see results this time. It's gotta suck doing 6 months and then nothing happens.

I'm also hoping you get some results because I myself was raised from a religious background, and I plan to do SM.

How many SM's have you done? Just the SM1 and SM2, once each? Have you done OGSF at all? What about AM 5.0?

EDIT:

By the way Shannon, I've been wondering about SM's manifestation/attraction method, and since master chief brought up his challenges, I've been wondering: might he get success if he went to places (churches for example) where the girls are likely to be on the same level he is?

I remember you mentioning how SM attracts and manifests girls who are on the "same level" you are at, and I'm wondering: if one had a pretty good idea, couldn't you then go to places where it would be likely to find such girls and then let SM do it's thing?

Sort of knowing your level and going to it kinda thing. What do you think?

I have done a round of AM2011 and SM2.0. I have not done AM5.0 or SM1.0. I am basically redoing each stage of SM2.0 for at a rate of 3 weeks per stage as a refresher Wednesday I start stage 5. I didn't want to have to wait another 6 months to get through SM again, so I thought at 3 weeks per stage I won't mind 4 months. Then I can get to doing some other subs sooner, such as OF or OFGS.